Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:54 AM

Ken Burch (50,254 posts)

It's one thing to ask Sanders people to support the ticket...that's fair and legitimate...

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but is it really necessary to treat the Sanders movement as if it was a total failure? As if we got nothing at all for what we did?

Hillary herself isn't being like that. Can't you follow her lead?

A handful of Sanders people were jerks in Philly. The vast majority of former Sanders supporters have condemned and repudiated the stupidity. It's not fair to act as though ALL of us are responsible for that.

And it serves no purpose to sneer at the very idea of Bernie ever having run.

You're making it hard for those of us who have been trying to reach the holdouts, and you're being personally unfair to Bernie, who has done everything you asked of him and will continue to do so. It looks as though some of you care more about humiliating the guy and destroying the mass movement he's trying to create, a movement that has to continue if any sort of change is to happen, than you do about holding on to the presidency in November.

In the name of unity and victory, please stop damaging the people who are TRYING to help.

Is that really too much to ask?

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It's one thing to ask Sanders people to support the ticket...that's fair and legitimate... (Original post)	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	OP
If you see this happening	grubbs	Jul 2016	#1
Bernie bashing is allowed slightly less than	AllyCat	Jul 2016	#14
Only the Bernie supporters who heckled Hillary	oberliner	Jul 2016	#33
I have not heckled Hillary. And yet I have been	AllyCat	Jul 2016	#50
Well that is unfortunate	oberliner	Jul 2016	#51
Or the ones that heckled bernie	Tiggeroshii	Jul 2016	#75
Absolutely correct.	JudyM	Jul 2016	#46
This is not the normal course for a primary process...	MrScorpio	Jul 2016	#2
That goes for everyone, including Clinton	AllyCat	Jul 2016	#15
Just remember, it's individuals.	Amimnoch	Jul 2016	#27
A lot of the radicals on both sides don't seem to be true supporters	Chathamization	Jul 2016	#36
I think it will eventually turn out that there was lots of RW infiltration on both sides.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#44
My local Dems and Progressives group largely supported Sanders and since the DNC,	AllyCat	Aug 2016	#95
I'm glad your group is like that and never meant anything against those people.	Ken Burch	Aug 2016	#96
Thank you for that. n/t.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#43
It'd help a lot if broad-minded folks like you would speak out against hate-filled posts.	JudyM	Jul 2016	#47
Thank you for that	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2016	#79
This was never about just this primary or election cycle.	TDale313	Jul 2016	#55
Sometimes what you see is a reaction to those who think Sanders just saved humanity from itself.	randome	Jul 2016	#3
I'm voting for Hillary but I'm not vocal about it. That's too bad.	tecelote	Jul 2016	#4
I'll agree. And will you agree that some Sanders supporters will stop acting like the got NOTHING	glennward	Jul 2016	#5
Yes. n/t.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#41
k&r	Lunabell	Jul 2016	#6
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#7
Some people just want to pick fights and stir shit.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2016	#8
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#9
If you are seeing widespread unity, I would love to take a walk through GD-P with you...	JudyM	Jul 2016	#48
I hear you. I actually was a Sanders supporter.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2016	#52
Can you give me some examples name of threads	DLCWIdem	Jul 2016	#54
I dont support the protesters, either. They were rude and out of line.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2016	#56
thank you for saying that. I actually have forgotten about it because what the Dems did	DLCWIdem	Jul 2016	#61
I also think the cable news media focused inordinately on the protest stuff	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2016	#71
Some of us would like to stay in this community but the level of continued verbal aggression against	JudyM	Aug 2016	#90
If it maks you feel better	Coolest Ranger	Jul 2016	#10
Social media is a train wreck...	NCTraveler	Jul 2016	#23
I'm sorry you were put throught that on Facebook. n/t.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#45
There is another perspective on this	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#11
Well said! That "gendered subtext" looms large	rjsquirrel	Jul 2016	#12
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#13
This message was self-deleted by its author	grubbs	Jul 2016	#16
Enjoy your stay	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jul 2016	#17
Man. That was fast!	grubbs	Jul 2016	#20
Wow. You have captured my thoughts exactly.	Justice	Jul 2016	#18
Well said, BainsBane.	brer cat	Jul 2016	#19
As usual Bainsbane,you hit the nail on the head. nt	sufrommich	Jul 2016	#22
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2016	#25
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#26
Brilliantly put, as always. n/t.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#42
Yeah, those peeps apparently dont like Atheists, either.	Warren DeMontague	Jul 2016	#57
+1	Hiraeth	Jul 2016	#66
Well said.	Arby	Jul 2016	#28
Indeed. I am rooting for Hillary to do the right thing.	Lucky Luciano	Jul 2016	#32
The gender subtext...	Lucky Luciano	Jul 2016	#31
It's more like blindly calling her useless when you refuse to listen or read up on her....	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#38
Exactly!	Mellomugwump	Jul 2016	#40
He was there fighting years before and was standing WITH her those YEARS ago.	onecaliberal	Jul 2016	#72
How so?	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#80
He should get credit for what he did before she got there, look at his record.	onecaliberal	Jul 2016	#84
I have looked at his record	BainsBane	Aug 2016	#88
But it wasn't single payer	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#73
She sent Bernie a note of thanks for healthcare support in 1993. Just adding to the discussion.	floriduck	Jul 2016	#86
thank you	obamanut2012	Jul 2016	#62
This exactly.	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#68
+1000!	DemonGoddess	Jul 2016	#70
Beautifully said. Thanks.	yardwork	Jul 2016	#74
Well said!! Thank you for that response.	SaveOurDemocracy	Jul 2016	#78
Boom!	sheshe2	Jul 2016	#82
It's interesting for me to notice that many never realized the most pervasive types of cronyism	bettyellen	Aug 2016	#91
Indeeed	BainsBane	Aug 2016	#93
I see you have put the very large roller you were painting with away.	NCTraveler	Jul 2016	#21
Hillary and Bernie are being very professional adults about this	IronLionZion	Jul 2016	#24
Bernie won too. We all won.	bekkilyn	Jul 2016	#29
Go!!!!!!!	zonkers	Jul 2016	#59
It wasn't a total failure!! It was a resounding success!! n/t	renie408	Jul 2016	#30
I will always feel the bern.	zonkers	Jul 2016	#58
Me too	democrattotheend	Jul 2016	#64
Who is doing that?	MineralMan	Jul 2016	#34
No one.	BainsBane	Jul 2016	#81
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2016	#35
Have not seen people sneering but am personally still bothered about the tax returns....	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#37
Bernie released his 2014 tax returns	democrattotheend	Jul 2016	#65
No, he never released what was promised- and said they were filed....	bettyellen	Jul 2016	#67
This message was self-deleted by its author	John Poet	Aug 2016	#89
Is what you've described actually happening here?	NurseJackie	Jul 2016	#39
no	obamanut2012	Jul 2016	#63
I've read here and elsewhere that Clinton supporters did same in 2008. I wasn't here so don't know.	George Eliot	Jul 2016	#49
It's an anonymous message board, I wouldn't take anything here too seriously. n/t	Lil Missy	Jul 2016	#53
Since last Monday, I've seen lots of Clinton supporters expressing appreciation	lapucelle	Jul 2016	#60
I am grateful to all who have been conciliatory. n/t.	Ken Burch	Aug 2016	#94
there is definitely some divisive bullshit from a minority on both sides	fishwax	Jul 2016	#69
"a movement that has to continue if any sort of change is to happen"	KMOD	Jul 2016	#76
+1 (nt)	LongtimeAZDem	Jul 2016	#77
What I've seen here in the past week or so ...	NanceGreggs	Jul 2016	#83
I am working for victory. I'm on your side.	Ken Burch	Jul 2016	#85
That's the point, Ken.	NanceGreggs	Jul 2016	#87
+1, This whole OP meme has a very disingenuous "quit beating your wife"	R B Garr	Aug 2016	#92

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:01 AM

grubbs (356 posts)

1. If you see this happening

Alert it. Bernie bashing is not allowed.

It's one thing to ask Sanders people to support the ticket...that's fair and legitimate...

1. If you see this happening

14. Bernie bashing is allowed slightly less than

33. Only the Bernie supporters who heckled Hillary

50. I have not heckled Hillary. And yet I have been

51. Well that is unfortunate

75. Or the ones that heckled bernie

46. Absolutely correct.

2. This is not the normal course for a primary process...

15. That goes for everyone, including Clinton

27. Just remember, it's individuals.

36. A lot of the radicals on both sides don't seem to be true supporters

44. I think it will eventually turn out that there was lots of RW infiltration on both sides.

95. My local Dems and Progressives group largely supported Sanders and since the DNC,

96. I'm glad your group is like that and never meant anything against those people.

43. Thank you for that. n/t.

47. It'd help a lot if broad-minded folks like you would speak out against hate-filled posts.

79. Thank you for that

55. This was never about just this primary or election cycle.

3. Sometimes what you see is a reaction to those who think Sanders just saved humanity from itself.

4. I'm voting for Hillary but I'm not vocal about it. That's too bad.

5. I'll agree. And will you agree that some Sanders supporters will stop acting like the got NOTHING

41. Yes. n/t.

6. k&r

8. Some people just want to pick fights and stir shit.

48. If you are seeing widespread unity, I would love to take a walk through GD-P with you...

52. I hear you. I actually was a Sanders supporter.

54. Can you give me some examples name of threads

56. I dont support the protesters, either. They were rude and out of line.

61. thank you for saying that. I actually have forgotten about it because what the Dems did

71. I also think the cable news media focused inordinately on the protest stuff

90. Some of us would like to stay in this community but the level of continued verbal aggression against

10. If it maks you feel better

23. Social media is a train wreck...

45. I'm sorry you were put throught that on Facebook. n/t.

11. There is another perspective on this

12. Well said! That "gendered subtext" looms large

17. Enjoy your stay

20. Man. That was fast!

18. Wow. You have captured my thoughts exactly.

19. Well said, BainsBane.

22. As usual Bainsbane,you hit the nail on the head. nt

42. Brilliantly put, as always. n/t.

57. Yeah, those peeps apparently dont like Atheists, either.

66. +1

28. Well said.

32. Indeed. I am rooting for Hillary to do the right thing.

31. The gender subtext...

38. It's more like blindly calling her useless when you refuse to listen or read up on her....

40. Exactly!

72. He was there fighting years before and was standing WITH her those YEARS ago.

80. How so?

84. He should get credit for what he did before she got there, look at his record.

88. I have looked at his record

73. But it wasn't single payer

86. She sent Bernie a note of thanks for healthcare support in 1993. Just adding to the discussion.

62. thank you

68. This exactly.

70. +1000!

74. Beautifully said. Thanks.

78. Well said!! Thank you for that response.

82. Boom!

91. It's interesting for me to notice that many never realized the most pervasive types of cronyism

93. Indeeed

21. I see you have put the very large roller you were painting with away.

24. Hillary and Bernie are being very professional adults about this

29. Bernie won too. We all won.

59. Go!!!!!!!

30. It wasn't a total failure!! It was a resounding success!! n/t

58. I will always feel the bern.

64. Me too

34. Who is doing that?

81. No one.

37. Have not seen people sneering but am personally still bothered about the tax returns....

65. Bernie released his 2014 tax returns

67. No, he never released what was promised- and said they were filed....

39. Is what you've described actually happening here?

63. no

49. I've read here and elsewhere that Clinton supporters did same in 2008. I wasn't here so don't know.

53. It's an anonymous message board, I wouldn't take anything here too seriously. n/t