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Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:54 AM

 

It's one thing to ask Sanders people to support the ticket...that's fair and legitimate...

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but is it really necessary to treat the Sanders movement as if it was a total failure? As if we got nothing at all for what we did?

Hillary herself isn't being like that. Can't you follow her lead?

A handful of Sanders people were jerks in Philly. The vast majority of former Sanders supporters have condemned and repudiated the stupidity. It's not fair to act as though ALL of us are responsible for that.

And it serves no purpose to sneer at the very idea of Bernie ever having run.

You're making it hard for those of us who have been trying to reach the holdouts, and you're being personally unfair to Bernie, who has done everything you asked of him and will continue to do so. It looks as though some of you care more about humiliating the guy and destroying the mass movement he's trying to create, a movement that has to continue if any sort of change is to happen, than you do about holding on to the presidency in November.

In the name of unity and victory, please stop damaging the people who are TRYING to help.

Is that really too much to ask?

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Reply It's one thing to ask Sanders people to support the ticket...that's fair and legitimate... (Original post)
Ken Burch Jul 2016 OP
grubbs Jul 2016 #1
AllyCat Jul 2016 #14
oberliner Jul 2016 #33
AllyCat Jul 2016 #50
oberliner Jul 2016 #51
Tiggeroshii Jul 2016 #75
JudyM Jul 2016 #46
MrScorpio Jul 2016 #2
AllyCat Jul 2016 #15
Amimnoch Jul 2016 #27
Chathamization Jul 2016 #36
Ken Burch Jul 2016 #44
AllyCat Aug 2016 #95
Ken Burch Aug 2016 #96
Ken Burch Jul 2016 #43
JudyM Jul 2016 #47
LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #79
TDale313 Jul 2016 #55
randome Jul 2016 #3
tecelote Jul 2016 #4
glennward Jul 2016 #5
Ken Burch Jul 2016 #41
Lunabell Jul 2016 #6
Post removed Jul 2016 #7
Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #8
Name removed Jul 2016 #9
JudyM Jul 2016 #48
Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #52
DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #54
Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #56
DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #61
Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #71
JudyM Aug 2016 #90
Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #10
NCTraveler Jul 2016 #23
Ken Burch Jul 2016 #45
BainsBane Jul 2016 #11
rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #12
Name removed Jul 2016 #13
grubbs Jul 2016 #16
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #17
grubbs Jul 2016 #20
Justice Jul 2016 #18
brer cat Jul 2016 #19
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Name removed Jul 2016 #25
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Ken Burch Jul 2016 #42
Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #57
Hiraeth Jul 2016 #66
Arby Jul 2016 #28
Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #32
Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #31
bettyellen Jul 2016 #38
Mellomugwump Jul 2016 #40
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #72
BainsBane Jul 2016 #80
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #84
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obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #62
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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:01 AM

1. If you see this happening

Alert it. Bernie bashing is not allowed.

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Response to grubbs (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:54 AM

14. Bernie bashing is allowed slightly less than

Bernie supporter bashing. The latter is a board pastime.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:31 AM

33. Only the Bernie supporters who heckled Hillary

 

Those folks have certainly been bashed.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:57 PM

50. I have not heckled Hillary. And yet I have been

Bashed by someone...YOU might know. I have put more people on ignore since the first night of the convention than I did the whole primary.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:59 PM

51. Well that is unfortunate

 

I think it is great to see how the Bernie and Hillary people have come together on DU for the most part.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:10 PM

75. Or the ones that heckled bernie

 

At this point there are a lot of "Bernie supporters" much deserving of ridicule..

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:51 PM

46. Absolutely correct.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:09 AM

2. This is not the normal course for a primary process...

The voters have already spoken.

It's time to move on and take it to the next level.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:57 AM

15. That goes for everyone, including Clinton

supporters who really dislike us.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:25 AM

27. Just remember, it's individuals.

 

Just like the protesters and detractors at the convention are not a representation of all Bernie supporters, those who are representative of the OP's claim are not a representation of all Hillary supporters.

Personally, I welcome all of the Bernie peop's. I embrace The ones who've fully embraced the decided direction. I embrace the ones who are doing so reluctantly and "holding their noses". I embrace the ones that are still dragging their feet some on it. I even embrace the ones that are too jaded to come over, and may not. I do feel the ones in that last category are misguided and making a mistake in doing so, but when I know their hard feelings are due to their love of humanity, and belief in the very ambitious platform Sanders had laid out, I can't help but hold respect for that. Kind of the way you'd love that brother or sister that makes bad decision, but you know their heart is good and in the right place.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:04 AM

36. A lot of the radicals on both sides don't seem to be true supporters

More like small groups of disruptors that attach themselves to groups so they can make a mess of things. A lot of the "Clinton supporters" you now see trashing Sanders supporters were trashing Clinton in '08. A lot of "Sanders supporters" who are now saying that they've finally given up on the Democratic Party are people who've been saying they've finally given up on the Democratic Party for years.

Most people are united. A small group of disruptors are trying to cause a mess, but that's what they always do. By being loud they try to fool us into thinking they're numerous. They're not.

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Response to Chathamization (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:18 PM

44. I think it will eventually turn out that there was lots of RW infiltration on both sides.

 

After all, it's the RIGHT that has the most to gain by keeping us divided...as always.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:47 AM

95. My local Dems and Progressives group largely supported Sanders and since the DNC,

have sent out emails encouraging us to vote Stein. While I disagree with their advice, NONE OF THESE PEOPLE, would EVER vote for Trump or be considered RW. These are true progressive people who want progressive policies. They see Stein as supporting their causes. I agree, that Stein probably represents my views the best. BUT I AM VOTING FOR HILLARY in November. I see how it works and we must defeat the orange man.

Please do not say many of these folks supporting Sanders were RW. They wanted more and are trying to fight for it. My job is trying to lure these people back to what we are facing in November and do the most helpful progressive thing and vote for HRC.

Getting no news about what she is doing because the media and this board (myself included) are focused on the raving lunatic, which isn't helping.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #95)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:14 PM

96. I'm glad your group is like that and never meant anything against those people.

 

The infiltration I'm speaking of was mainly in the areas of social media, rather than among people who were and area working on the ground.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:17 PM

43. Thank you for that. n/t.

 

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:55 PM

47. It'd help a lot if broad-minded folks like you would speak out against hate-filled posts.

It'd keep y'all very busy. The mean-spirited situation actually seems to be growing in frequency.

Thanks for one of too-few unifying posts.

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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:51 PM

79. Thank you for that

It's really all we Sanders, or exSanders, supporters wanted to hear

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:13 PM

55. This was never about just this primary or election cycle.

Many Sanders supporters will keep engaged and keep pushing for change and will keep the movement going.

We're not going away. The vast majority will support Hillary in November but that doesn't mean we're satisfied with the status quo or that we'll stop fighting.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:24 AM

3. Sometimes what you see is a reaction to those who think Sanders just saved humanity from itself.

 

The pendulum swings both ways. It's annoying either way, to be sure.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:30 AM

4. I'm voting for Hillary but I'm not vocal about it. That's too bad.

If I mention that I'm voting for Hillary I immediately get a lesson on how terrible my fellow Bernie supporters are. It's a favorite pastime of those that always supported Hillary.

So, I just keep quiet; an outcast in my own party.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:31 AM

5. I'll agree. And will you agree that some Sanders supporters will stop acting like the got NOTHING

 

from the DNC and Hillary?

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Response to glennward (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:14 PM

41. Yes. n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:03 AM

6. k&r

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:05 AM

8. Some people just want to pick fights and stir shit.

Either they're deliberately disrupting or they just have no better way to get their jollies.

And as Skinner noted, there are no "Bernie people" or "Hillary people" anymore. We're all Democrats, here on DU. And we're all Hillary supporters, yes, Bernie included.

I actually think the combination here of widespread unity, along with the new rules, has made it REAL fuckin' hard for the people who thrive on ever-escalating iterations of message board fighting/drama feedback loops.

It's kind of enjoyable to watch, because at least for now they seem to be having a lot of trouble figuring out how to make the old games work in the new reality.

Cracks me right the fuck up, it does.

admins.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:03 PM

48. If you are seeing widespread unity, I would love to take a walk through GD-P with you...

Along with the OP, I am stunned by the frequency of cutting snark in thread after thread, even with all respect to the admins. Maybe if you weren't a Sanders supporter it's not as obvious. A lot of us are still trying to stay part of the community ... Some are bitter winners these days. Seems we ought to be healing and attacking tRump instead of each other. If you see something, please consider saying something.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:00 PM

52. I hear you. I actually was a Sanders supporter.

but here's my take: I'm not giving the people who want the fights and drama, what they want.

I'm enjoying watching them spin their wheels and not get any traction. Getting pissed off and reacting is PRECISELY what they're looking for. Reaction allows for further iterations of the fighting and drama, and "don't you try to silence me" and "I'm starting a thread about the thread where attempted silencing of me took place" which then allows further attacks and attempts at divisiveness.

The point is, reacting to it only allows them to perpetuate it. There are people who have been playing these games for a long time. They know what they're doing. The current primary situation is only the latest excuse.

So this is my way of healing. By not playing.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:08 PM

54. Can you give me some examples name of threads

I REALLY do want to know. For my part I've objectedvto the protesters and I believe I am right about that. I believe the THE DNC Convention was meamt for the purpose of getting our nominee off to a start for the general election to kick some Trump rump. But I've seen some great posts from some Democratic Bernie followers.

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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:20 PM

56. I dont support the protesters, either. They were rude and out of line.

But I think some people here would like to continue to hammer on that because they miss the fun of primary fighting and division.

The convention is over, and particulary for those of us not watching it through the filter of cable "newz", it was very unified and uplifting.

To my mind, it is time to move on and support the ticket and party for November. What is served by endlessly going on about "those spoiled brats who held up TPP signs"? It's over, now.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #56)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:37 PM

61. thank you for saying that. I actually have forgotten about it because what the Dems did

To counteract the disruption was pure genius IMHO? The USA chants made the dems look patriotic and proud. And the Hillary chants to contradict the other disruptions during her speech generated enthusiasm for her. Maybe the saying is true God works in mysterious ways. Nothing could be done about the Hillary signs they blocked out to spell LIAR but it looked like it was only a few on CSPAN. The disruptors didn't come off so good with the tape on their mouth saying they were being silenced when they were talking behind the tape, they looked ridiculous. So basically alls well that ends well.

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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:08 PM

71. I also think the cable news media focused inordinately on the protest stuff

Overall, watching the raw video and audio streams, it looked pretty unified to me.

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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #54)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 07:58 AM

90. Some of us would like to stay in this community but the level of continued verbal aggression against

both Bernie (e.g., he accomplished nothing, he's an awful person with all kinds of skeletons that would have come out had he "actually" been vetted, his campaign was just about his ego, he damaged Hillary, he stayed in it too long (how dare he not concede) and that caused all kinds of problems, he isn't a real Dem so should just go away, he should be thankful he got any concessions from her at all, he didn't earn the right to xyz...), and against the people who continue to struggle about whether they can vote for Hillary, and against those of us who supported his campaign (at the heart of it we're sexist, want free things/are immature(!), are racist(!), etc.) is chilling to the cause of unity. I have moved on but some keep twisting the knife, which brings it all back up and is hugely alienating.

Personally, I added more people to my very short ignore list these past few days, which says something about what's happening, so if you keep the foregoing themes in mind you will definitely become more aware of them... They pervade a majority of the posts where Bernie's the subject. Objections from us are not raising consciousness, so whatever original Clinton supporters can do to tamp this down would be wonderful.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:26 AM

10. If it maks you feel better

I have had to block some Hillary people online too. When I try to help them deal with extremist on their page I'm told to sit my black behind down and chill which angered the living daylights out of me. So I block them told them privately that they were jerks and being a jack ass and that you are a type of supporter I don't want to be associated with and I block them.

Now this was on facebook. So far, every Hillary supporter on this sight has treated me with respect. It's just some folks on social media , facebook especially that I don't get. So I brush it off and focus on the ones who won't disrespect me. Those are the ones I work with. Believe it or not some Hillary supporters have called me the n word

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:10 AM

23. Social media is a train wreck...

 

When it comes to politics. It is now the greatest home to propaganda.

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:20 PM

45. I'm sorry you were put throught that on Facebook. n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:42 AM

11. There is another perspective on this

and I saw the exchange that got you upset. Some wanted to attribute the platform to Bernie, and someone responded that it is Hillary's platform. It's a combination of the two, but then a number of people who supported Bernie in the primary never have no idea what Clinton's positions were because they made a point of refusing to read any of them. So a number of the positions attributed to Bernie were Clinton's positions from the beginning of the primary.

You seem to believe that any suggestion to that effect or that Clinton's is advancing her positions is some sort of indictment on Bernie.

There is a gender subtext to all of this: that this historic achievement of a woman finally--after 240 years of our nation--a major party candidate for the presidency is denied her and attributed to a man, as though her own success doesn't even belong to her.

Then there is the fact that after creating a caricature of Clinton for years on end, you're hardly in a position to comment on which positions are in fact hers.

I thought of you during the convention when all those people spoke about Hillary's tireless efforts--both personal and political--on behalf of ordinary people during her entire life, even before she she entered politics. I thought of how the caricature of her that she is only interested in promoting the interests of the wealthy is utterly refuted by her decades long public activism, doing more in any brief period of time than most of us do in an entire lifetime, than most politicians do in an entire lifetime.

She won. You are going to have to come to terms with the fact that you have been wrong about her. You have no idea who she is or what she stands for, and you are frustrated that others don't accommodate your view that everything positive in the Democratic Platform is because of Bernie. It isn't. That's not to say he hasn't had an influence. Of course he has, but this is Clinton's campaign and now her party. That's a success she has earned through hard work-- damn hard work.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:47 AM

12. Well said! That "gendered subtext" looms large

 

It was hardly even a "subtext" all along.

Just as in the other side some Hillary supporters remain annoyed it hasn't been acknowledged. She won, by a lot. It wasn't close. It wasn't rigged. And a male candidate who won as convincingly as she did, some of us feel, would have been treated differently all along.

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Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:03 AM

17. Enjoy your stay

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:06 AM

20. Man. That was fast!

Bye troll. Lol

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:05 AM

18. Wow. You have captured my thoughts exactly.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:05 AM

19. Well said, BainsBane.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:07 AM

22. As usual Bainsbane,you hit the nail on the head. nt

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Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:16 PM

42. Brilliantly put, as always. n/t.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:22 PM

57. Yeah, those peeps apparently dont like Atheists, either.

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Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:28 PM

66. +1

there is more, of course but, no need to mention it here.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:42 AM

28. Well said.

I've been thinking the same thoughts, but I don't I could have been as succinct. Kudos.

As a Bernie supporter and a Clinton supporter I firmly believe Bernie has moved to Dem Party back toward the positions the modern Dem Party (before Bill) traditionally held. Hillary states she has heard the call. Time will tell.

The current Dem platform is the mot progressive in decades. Yes there is still room for improvement, but now we need to hold HRC accountable and move the current platform forward. The fight continues.

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Response to Arby (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:03 AM

32. Indeed. I am rooting for Hillary to do the right thing.

Bernie did all Democrats a huge favor. By proudly calling himself a liberal unabashedly and garnering as much support as he did, the thugs can no longer force our candidates to tack center right for political purposes - that is, unless they want to.

Now HRC and other democrats can proudly claim to be a liberal and fight for liberal things without compromising early like other democrats have done in the past.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:59 AM

31. The gender subtext...

Like the draft Elizabeth Warren people who became the Bernie people.


The vitriol from Dems to HRC this primary cycle was mostly anti-establishment. The result of the Great Recession still lingers - ask drumpf's primary opponents - he also rode a wave of anti-establishment feelings, but in his case to victory.

I think HRC has a real shot at being one of the best presidents ever if she doesn't tack right post primary. If she does tack right, she will be a yawner.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:14 AM

38. It's more like blindly calling her useless when you refuse to listen or read up on her....

 

Many people here gave Bernie credit for her policies. Many slammed her by repeating RW
lies. And Warren? A woman's popularity tends to plummet the moment she is seen ambitious or competitive. That shit would have been short lived.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:20 AM

40. Exactly!

Like fighting for universal healthcare YEARS ago, which is one reason she has been so reviled by the right. She dared to take on policy instead of taking on traditional First Lady causes. It seems like a lot of people have forgotten that she took that on first and has paid the price ever since, and nothing pisses me off more than the left buying into to the right wing propaganda.

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Response to Mellomugwump (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:26 PM

72. He was there fighting years before and was standing WITH her those YEARS ago.

If you're going to get righteous get the whole story straight.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:01 PM

80. How so?

Additionally, pointing to Clinton's record is not being self-righteous. It is simply a matter of fact that she led efforts to try to get a universal healthcare plan in the early 90s, and when that was defeated worked to get S-chip passed.

You illustrate my point. How is it that Bernie needs to be credited with her accomplishments, even from decades ago?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #80)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:19 PM

84. He should get credit for what he did before she got there, look at his record.

They also worked together on many things. They EACH deserve credit. it goes both ways. The fact is the platform is more progressive because Bernie fought for some things and he obviously pulled her a little more left on a few points based on her own statements in the debates and what she says now. That is AWESOME. She changed her mind when presented with more information. Stop trying to act like we are somehow slighting her. I donated, I will be making calls and driving people to the poll. #ImWithHer. So stop it, you're not helping.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #84)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:40 AM

88. I have looked at his record

That's the first thing I did when he announced his candidacy. He got a Vets bill passed and two post offices named.
I understand that his former supporters place high value on rhetoric, but I do not share the view that qualifies as accomplishment. In this election season, he raised key issues of economic inequality to the national level and had an impact on the platform. That is a indeed significant, but I know of no role he played in the healthcare battle of the early 90s.

You're obviously very defensive about this. These are precisely the kind of responses I got in the primary, anger that I dared to even ask.

The fact is you chose to get defensive merely because someone pointed out that Clinton led the fight on healthcare in the early 90s. The point was a simple one: Too many ignore Clinton's efforts to get universal healthcare passed. It requires no attribution to Bernie.

I'm glad you're supporting Clinton and willing to work for the party, but I am not going to spend the rest of my days attributing Clinton's efforts to Bernie. Her history of public engagement is her own.

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Response to Mellomugwump (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:42 PM

73. But it wasn't single payer

So it doesn't count.

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Response to Mellomugwump (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:24 PM

86. She sent Bernie a note of thanks for healthcare support in 1993. Just adding to the discussion.

 

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:01 PM

62. thank you

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:39 PM

68. This exactly.

 

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:03 PM

70. +1000!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:47 PM

74. Beautifully said. Thanks.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:40 PM

78. Well said!! Thank you for that response.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:37 PM

82. Boom!

You seem to believe that any suggestion to that effect or that Clinton's is advancing her positions is some sort of indictment on Bernie.

There is a gender subtext to all of this: that this historic achievement of a woman finally--after 240 years of our nation--a major party candidate for the presidency is denied her and attributed to a man, as though her own success doesn't even belong to her.


Love you Baines!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 08:04 AM

91. It's interesting for me to notice that many never realized the most pervasive types of cronyism

 

And corruption are racism and sexism. It's like a big white elephant in the room- the can see DNC members had played favorites but look at society and do not notice a damn thing wrong with women and POC being severely unrepresented. It's the knly conspiracy some people refuse to notice.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #91)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:41 PM

93. Indeeed

or that suddenly when we have a woman about to succeed a black president that "the establishment" becomes a concern, while those same detractors celebrate the decades of establishment presidents who preceded them.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:06 AM

21. I see you have put the very large roller you were painting with away.

 

And purchased a pneumatic sprayer.

It would be like me defining every Sanders supporter as a BoB. This is simply inflamitory.

At this point very few Sanders supporters are being asked to join. An overwhelming majority are on board.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:14 AM

24. Hillary and Bernie are being very professional adults about this

We should all follow their lead.

Bernie is still a US Senator with a lot more name recognition now. Let's elect liberal majorities in congress so we can get his legislation passed and President Hillary will sign it into law and liberal Supreme Court justices will uphold it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:45 AM

29. Bernie won too. We all won.

Yes, Bernie lost the primary election and is not the presidential candidate. That goes to Hillary and I hope we all vote for her in November.

However, Bernie won too. Because of Bernie, the Democratic platform is the now most progressive it's ever been and I'm actually inspired to vote for it rather than simply voting for it because it's at least not Republican. We *need* people like Bernie, like Elizabeth Warren, like those others who will keep fighting for income equality, debt free education, health care, etc. when the establishment left to itself tends to falter. We need candidates who will keep inspiring people to have hope, to get out and vote, and remain active in the political process.

One presidential candidate is not enough to do it, whether it be Hillary, Bernie, Obama, or any other. We need EVERYONE.

We've had the closest to everyone we've had in a while thanks to Bernie running a campaign that inspired so many people, and now inspires so many of us to "be with her" as we continue to go forward. Hillary and all the rest of us are stronger for it and stronger together.

Go Bernie! Go Hillary! Go us!

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Response to bekkilyn (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:24 PM

59. Go!!!!!!!

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 07:50 AM

30. It wasn't a total failure!! It was a resounding success!! n/t

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Response to renie408 (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:23 PM

58. I will always feel the bern.

 

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Response to zonkers (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

64. Me too

I am going to vote for Hillary and am even starting to get excited about it, but I'm still feeling the Bern. I will always be a Bernie supporter.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:26 AM

34. Who is doing that?

I've not seen it at all. Maybe you should go after people who are in the threads where it is happening.

Bernie is supporting Hillary Clinton. He has shown himself to be a man of principles.

Seriously, if people are doing what you say, call them on it in those threads. Without links, I can't see any such behavior.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:08 PM

81. No one.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:06 AM

37. Have not seen people sneering but am personally still bothered about the tax returns....

 

As well as all the shit about the rules being unfair and ignoring precedent. Honestly that sucked and is still giving Trump cover. I hope Sanders releases his and hits Trump for not doing the same.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:24 PM

65. Bernie released his 2014 tax returns

And he probably hadn't done the 2015 ones yet.

Why should he release them now when he is no longer a candidate?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #65)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:37 PM

67. No, he never released what was promised- and said they were filed....

 

And the other form he released was some sort of summary form and not the full return.
He should do it as a gesture to admit it was fair to expect of him and also to keep his promise to us. Honestly the bullshit about he DNC stealing anything from him was getting spread by his supporters and I think he needs to be as transparent as everyone else now. Otherwise hiding the info is a "new rule" and "everyone does it". Shitty.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:41 AM

39. Is what you've described actually happening here?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:05 PM

63. no

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:19 PM

49. I've read here and elsewhere that Clinton supporters did same in 2008. I wasn't here so don't know.

My perspective is that given all the new voters he attracted, if only ten percent stay that is ten percent more than the party would have had otherwise. People who are democrats aren't going anywhere. The only people that would leave are those who wouldn't have voted anyway or would have voted third party. Every single person should be thanking Bernie whether he increased votes by ten percent or fifth percent. And democrats who didn't like Clinton to begin with would have not voted or would have considered Stein and less likely Johnson.

And Johnson will take votes from Trump but I don't hear complaints and hate talk on the other side. Or am I missing something?

I am a perfect example. If not for Bernie, I would have voted Stein. My allegiance to Bernie is keeping me in the democratic camp. Yes, I'm registered independent but have usually voted democratic. Since Bill Clinton and his march to the right, I've been erratic in my support for democrats. I voted Gore, Kerry and Obama 1X. Just too little consideration for education, jobs and economy for me. i'm forcing myself to believe Clinton will keep her promises on TPP, fracking, the banks.

I can name names on this site and some of you above are guilty. I wish you could let it go.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:07 PM

53. It's an anonymous message board, I wouldn't take anything here too seriously. n/t

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:33 PM

60. Since last Monday, I've seen lots of Clinton supporters expressing appreciation

for Bernie, and lots of Bernie supporters saying that they are now in Clinton's corner. These people have found their better angels pretty quickly. It's not easy to do.

It's true that both sides still have pockets of partisans who are very reluctant to forgive and forget. There are probably some who will never forgive and forget. Let it go; let them go.

It takes remarkable character to emerge from pitched battle, suffer incredible disappointment, and to get up and do the next right thing, however hard it may be. It takes kindness and compassion and understanding of the real meaning of community not to gloat, or pile on, or dance in the end zone while the other side looks on with their hearts broken.

I've seen great leaders do these things, leaders named Bernie and Hillary and Barack. Let's learn from their example and try to be like them.



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #60)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:38 PM

94. I am grateful to all who have been conciliatory. n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:59 PM

69. there is definitely some divisive bullshit from a minority on both sides

and whether it is a former Bernie supporter attacking Hillary or a presumed Clinton supporter attacking Bernie/Bernie supporters, it ultimately has the same effect of hurting our chances in November.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:25 PM

76. "a movement that has to continue if any sort of change is to happen"

 

That is where we disagree.

I have no problem with Bernie Sanders, or his movement. But he lost. Hillary won. The electorate chose Hillary and her proposals for change. To dismiss the millions of voters who chose Hillary, and to declare that no change will happen without Bernie and his movement is cavalier and frankly insulting to the majority of us who chose Hillary.

Bernie's voice is important. He clearly relates to many non Democrats. Democrats who supported Bernie have already switched their support to Hillary. Democrats know what is at stake here. If Bernie has effectually turned non Democrats on to the Democratic Platform, his cause will have been worthy, but the results still remain to be seen.

But change is not dependent on him. It's dependent on the Democratic Party, and that starts with our Presidential nominee and our congressional representatives. The rest is up to us.

The only movement that matters now, is the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton, winning the election. That is the movement that matters. That is the only chance for change.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #76)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:31 PM

77. +1 (nt)

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:19 PM

83. What I've seen here in the past week or so ...

... is a true sense of unity.

Most of those who supported Bernie are now with HRC - in the same way most of us who supported Hillary would be with Bernie, had he been the nominee.

There are only a handful of people here who think "Bernie's movement" has been treated as a total failure, or are claiming that there has been "sneering" at the fact that he ran at all.

I am tired of hearing about people being "personally unfair to Bernie", or wanting to "humiliate" him because he lost. He DID lose - and referring to that fact is just that - reference to a FACT. It is not a disparagement of the man or his supporters.

It was always known that ONE candidate would be the nominee. It turned out to be HRC, not BS. It's time to move on and support our nominee - which most people are doing.

Telling them that you are "trying to help" by accusing others of being vindictive and vengeful doesn't strike me as being helpful at all.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #83)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:23 PM

85. I am working for victory. I'm on your side.

 

You know perfectly well that I accept HRC as the nominee.

You have to stop treating me and other Sanders supporters with distrust.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #85)

Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:29 PM

87. That's the point, Ken.

I don't treat the vast majority of Sanders supporters with distrust - only those who keep insisting that I am, all evidence to the contrary.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #87)

Mon Aug 1, 2016, 08:45 AM

92. +1, This whole OP meme has a very disingenuous "quit beating your wife"

undercurrent to it.

Jury: the quoted words are not literal at all. It refers to a fabricated and clichéd saying meant to illustrate that someone is being wrongly accused to fit a preconceived self-serving narrative. Thank you.

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