There are some on DU Calling for the banning

[yuiyoshida]

Of Thom Hartmann, The Young Turks, Mike Malloy because they are so called anti Hillary.
so, DU ITS YOUR CALL

145 votes, 7 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	BAN THEM ALL!!!
	6 (4%)
	Just ban Mike Malloys videos
	0 (0%)
	ban THE YOUNG TURKS! VIDEOS
	0 (0%)
	BAN THOM HARTMANN VIDEOS
	1 (1%)
	I don't want any of them banned, and I will listen what they have to say...
	69 (48%)
	Who the holy fuck wants these guys banned?
	8 (6%)
	I am mad about this and stomping my feet
	1 (1%)
	Ban all RT videos
	1 (1%)
	This is just stupid... move along
	59 (41%)
	What Progressive Radio Host do you wanta ban??
	0 (0%)
	7 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[LongtimeAZDem]

1. Once again, no "I like pie" option (nt)

[Dem2]

2. that's how I see it too

[yuiyoshida]

3. any pie you want...

I am tired of the whining, i want them to come forth and lay it on the line.

[LexVegas]

4. Never heard of 'em. nt

[yuiyoshida]

5. Really??

new to DU? welcome aboard then.

[LexVegas]

11. Are they like the Sane Progressive? nt

[yuiyoshida]

13. If you want to know their stance

I would suggest research.

[LexVegas]

22. Are they on Youtube....or Reddit? nt

[yuiyoshida]

26. Youtube absolutely.

And Youtube can be posted Here on DU.

[bananas]

137. Thom Hartmann is a member of DU since 2006

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197528

About thomhartmann
Statistics and Information
Account status: Active
Member since: Mon Nov 6, 2006, 05:54 PM
Number of posts: 3,215
Number of posts, last 90 days: 204
Favorite forum: Video & Multimedia , 204 posts in the last 90 days (100% of total posts)
Favorite group: NA
Last post: Mon Aug 1, 2016, 08:21 AM

[womanofthehills]

179. Go over to Ring of Fire Progressive News Network

http://trofire.com/

Many of them used to be on Air America radio. I have listened to them for yrs. Thom Hartman comes in on our local station here in NM.

[Demsrule86]

212. I will say this.

A few times, I have turned on my paid radio and heard Jill Stien's nasty self on the progressive channel on Sirius... she was on Thom Harmen once and a couple of times on Make it Plain. I turn it off immediately... or listen to CNN which has not been bad this year at least when I listened. I a going to cancel my subscription if they keep it up. I am very disappointed in Thom...and was a big fan before the primary.

[yurbud]

139. These are the guys who criticized Baby Bush admin while DLCers were busy rubberstamping

his crimes.

[SMC22307]

235. Yep. Sounds as if DU has lost its way...

if there are calls to have them banned.

[yurbud]

243. DU hasn't lost their way. This is a just a slightly worse than average election infection

of shills and trolls.

[NurseJackie]

6. Sure ... Ban them all! ... why not?

[NurseJackie]

9. Or ... anything with that green RT (Russia Today) logo.

[yuiyoshida]

12. I saw you slamming Cenk

Are you sure you think this is funny? All it takes is for people to start alerting on their videos and get enough votes, their videos will never be posted again.

[emulatorloo]

18. Where are these great majorities clamoring for banning Cenk and Hartmann?

Not seeing that, sorry.

[yuiyoshida]

24. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

And I have seen the others mentioned elsewhere. Mike Malloy's tirade over Hillary, Thom Hartmann's commentary. I want to truly know, whose videos should be eliminated for their
anti-Hillary stance.

[emulatorloo]

35. Mountain out of a mole-hill, yoiyoshida

Responded down thread I don't agree with the criticism in that thread.

One thread does not = massive support here for banning Cenk.

[yuiyoshida]

39. Oh come on...you know there have been

people yelling and screaming about all of the above listed, and so if they are so bad, why aren't they alerting to have the videos removed. One was, Mike Malloy talkin about Hillary. THom Hartmann beinG on RT.

[emulatorloo]

63. Now you're complaining that people >>aren't alerting<< on Hartmann and Malloy vids?

You began thread claiming DU'ers want to ban Malloy and Hartmann.

Now you are mad because people who have criticized Malloy and Hartmann aren't alerting and trying to get their videos removed.

Understand your passion, but you are making contradictory statements.

'Banning Thom videos bad'. 'Not alerting on Thom videos bad'

---

Now let me give you a concrete example re the RT thing. I like Thom. A lot. I don't like that he's chosen to be on RT. I think it hurts his credibility. I would prefer he distribute on YouTube, as I believe TYT does. I have said so in the threads his interns post here. Giving suggestions about finding other ways to produce the shows and still maintain high production values. Long winded way to say things are not black and white.

[yuiyoshida]

69. I like all of them but

apparently we have some extremists on here who do want them banned. I don't and I don't think we should cater to them, but that's just me. I am trying to shine a spot light on those who think they should be banned. Let Du DECIDE, and so far its looking pretty good to me.

[womanofthehills]

181. I like them all too and have been listening to some of them for years

[mercuryblues]

237. Are you fucking serious

The 1st and ONLY mention of banning TYT from DU came for YOUR own post. So now you make an entire OP claiming others were saying his videos should be banned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

[NWCorona]

62. Where does it say "great majorities" in the op?

[yuiyoshida]

73. It doesn't

n/t

[Demsrule86]

213. You don't have to ban them

They have irritated me so I don't listen...problem solved. I don't believe in banning unless they are working to elect a third party spoiler in which case they don't belong here.

[NurseJackie]

41. Sure, that's fine with me! Why not? :-P Let's do it!

It's pretty clear that their agenda is to harm Hillary (even though they disguise it as "concern&quot and they appear to take great delight in their task... presumably their desire is still to "burn it down" so that the "revolution" can commence.

Mmmm.... so tasty.

[yuiyoshida]

51. Okay so now on you see their videos

you need to alert them. Its that simple.

[Ken Burch]

245. Uh...because they have a lot of valid things to say?

None of those people are evil.

[NurseJackie]

246. Uh...if one's goal is to weaken our nominee, and if one is giddy over the idea of a Trump presidency

... and being able to say "told-ya-so", and if the only "network" they can get to host their show is the Russia Today propaganda network ... well, "uh" ... what they have to say isn't valid, and they are evil. Anyone who does anything to improve Trump's chances of becoming president is evil.

[Blue_Adept]

7. Easier to ignore the agitators

And by agitators I mean the DU members calling for this (haven't seen it personally).

They just want attention and are throwing shit at the screen. Divisive and looking to mess with general post-convention unity.

Mockery is all they deserve.

[yuiyoshida]

56. They are dead serious...so I am calling them out

If you see something, alert on something. I think its stupid but some want it this way. Crack down on any Hillary Haters... or so called.

[mercuryblues]

241. You haven't

seen it, because it most likely hasn't happened.

The only "link" she gave to prove DUers were calling for banning...Shows she was the only one who suggested banning to begin with. To which someone replied "huh?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

IOW. The entire premise of this OP is based on a lie.

[VulgarPoet]

8. Let's trade, y'all want to ban Hartmann, we want to ban Brock. Let's talk turkey.

[LexVegas]

23. ....

[Adrahil]

233. When Brock has a show...

On a foreign government owned propaganda mouthpiece, we'll talk.

[DURHAM D]

10. I just looked them up.

They all seem to be white males. Are they upset about something?

[jalan48]

27. Ana Kasparian doesn't look like a white male to me.

[yuiyoshida]

61. I love Ana

she's great...I follow her on twitter.

[womanofthehills]

186. Nor does Laura Flanders or Abby Martin

They are all part of the Ring of Fire Progressive Network

Abby Martin, Benjamin Dixon, David Pakman, Ed Schultz, Farron Cousins, Laura Flanders, Lee Camp, Mike Malloy, Mike Papantonio, Robert Kennedy Jr, Sam Sedar, Cenk & Ana (Young Turks), and Thom Hartman

[uhnope]

228. a "progressive network" that insults the name

Ed Schultz has sold out to Putin's RT and is now making pro-Trump asides, Abby Martin is nothing but a highest-bidder propagandist & CTer who went from RT to Telesur, Hartmann has also flushed his cred down the toilet in similar manner

[nadine_mn]

70. Cenk is Turkish nt

[yuiyoshida]

74. He certainly is

[SMC22307]

238. If I'm not mistaken, DU's owners are white males.

Perhaps those upset about Cenk, et al. should really take a stand -- create a white male-free site and see how well it does.

[emulatorloo]

14. "Some on DU" = tiny loud minority on DU

For that reason poll seems somewhat Strawmanish to me.

[yuiyoshida]

16. maybe so...all you have to do is read this to jump

to this conclusion...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

[emulatorloo]

29. Do you believe Cenk is above criticism?

I agree the criticism in that thread is way off base

OP is harsh but again I don't believe you can extrapolate from the thread that DU is over run by screaming hoards trying to get Cenk et al banned.

And even if they were, Admins wouldn't go along with it.

As to my post title, I like all these commentators but they aren't sacred cows. People can disagree with things they say.

[yuiyoshida]

36. Sure Cenk should be criticized

Banned? no...but some on DU are calling for it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

[emulatorloo]

40. "Some on DU" = tiny loud MINORITY on DU

I'm repeating myself so I'll shut up now, lol

[yuiyoshida]

67. doesn't it bother you that some who

have informed us for these many years, now have people on DU who want their heads on the chopping block? What does that tell you?

[Arazi]

149. I'm actually surprised you're surprised

[yuiyoshida]

150. I know there are a lot of new DUers

who may not know who Thom Hartmann, or Mike Malloy is, but one learns very quickly if one watches any of the videos in the V&M section.

[Arazi]

152. The 10 names who've voted to ban are not newbies

I'm sure there are more who silently agree but aren't willing to put their name on that poll

[yuiyoshida]

158. I am betting you are correct

10- does seem low.

[Peacetrain]

15. We are in campaign mode at DU.. the primaries are over..

If someone or group is undercutting us (I am a Democrat) especially at this crucial moment.. then they are essentially pushing for Trump to be elected and that is not viable at this point in time...

[yuiyoshida]

17. So whats it going to be

Which progressive radio host do you want banned?

[Peacetrain]

25. You can't try and shout down the Democrats right now..

If that is the thing you want to do.. wrong place.. I am not advocating banning anyone unless they are hell bent on promoting the other side.. the next 99 days.. if you have good criticism .. I am all for it.. if you are out to undermine the candidate we have chosen.. totally different ball of wax.. Anyone should be able to join with us and add their voices.. but not if it is to kneecap the party at this critical juncture...

[yuiyoshida]

28. I agree completely but

I guess some people haven't figured that out yet. Sadly.

[Demsrule86]

214. Exactly right...said it better than me. nt

[sufrommich]

19. I'm going to take a wild guess that those posters are asking

trolls who are still posting anti Hillary crap to stop. I'm with them.

[Demsrule86]

217. I agree with that

I don't care who the source is ...if it attacks our nominee it should not be here.

[metroins]

20. Russian propaganda

Not watching or listening to anything on RT.

I think all of that should be banned, it's usually not true whatever the article is.

TYT are just awful but they shouldn't be banned.

[yuiyoshida]

30. SO why aren't you alerting on RT VIDEOS...

That's where Thom Hartmann is... maybe he should be banned as well?

[yuiyoshida]

58. Great did you do my poll?

If you feel strongly about this, and are serious,do my poll. Put your voice out there.

[metroins]

147. I don't have enough time

To do those things...

Do you?

[yuiyoshida]

148. you don't have enough time to alert?

How long does it take to click the alert button and make a choice? As fast as it takes to
type what you just did most likely.

[metroins]

151. Gotta find them

I trashed the multimedia forum.

If you'd like to search them out and alert, feel free.

[yuiyoshida]

156. look below

alert abuse. Its right there. How hard was that?

[Lord Magus]

231. Yes.

Anybody who's on RT should be banned.

[Kaleva]

21. I'm not familiar with any of them.

[yuiyoshida]

32. Really? You been on DU for 15,000 postings and you

don't know who any of them are? You never click on the videos, ever?

[Kaleva]

43. I've never watched any of their videos.

They are pundits and that's about all I know of them. I rarely ever go into the V&M forum. Reading posts in the Hillary group, I know they are critical of Hillary but I couldn't tell you why.

[yuiyoshida]

50. you are missing out

by not including all the videos on the front page of DU...

[NurseJackie]

157. You're not missing anything.

It's politically unsophisticated, and production-wise it's very amateurish.

[womanofthehills]

187. Go over to Ring of Fire and watch their videos - new ones every day

Great info on the environment, big pharma and social justice along others.

[beachbum bob]

31. my view advocating anything against hillary and democratic party

at this moment goes against DU TOS......to me, shames our fight to keep trump out of the whitehouse and destroying our country

you can't advocate for a 3rd party when any votes for the third party is the same as voting FOR TRUMP.....get control of the egos

[yuiyoshida]

33. So whats your call?

do you have an answer?

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. They are bullshit artists making pro Trump arguments.

Banning them, no. Requiring all posts of their material carry a disclaimer announcing their pro Trump arguments and lies woud be fine.

[yuiyoshida]

46. can not do it that way...

If Anti Hillary shouldn't they be removed?

[Agnosticsherbet]

144. They are not members. Only members can be banned for making

Anti-Clinton or anti-Democratic party posts.

I am leary of banning sources, even if they are bullshit propaganda sources.

[yodermon]

37. Nothing "Underground" about this place any more.

I like it for LBN. The rest is shibboleths and accusations of concern-trolling for just expressing a thought.

[emulatorloo]

44. Untrue of a majority of DU posters.

[SMC22307]

240. Was it ever "Underground"? Didn't members overwhelmingly oppose the Iraq War?

It appears that the site has become a shell of its former self. And it definitely seems stifling in recent months -- so much discussion revolves around rules and who is allowed to say what. Not very stimulating.

[wyldwolf]

38. If they're violating the TOS, they should be treated like anyone else.

[NYC Liberal]

42. Meh, I'll just trash their threads or use the Keyword Trash feature.

If others want to read/listen to that crap then let them.

[treestar]

45. They are DU members?

If they post then they are subject to TOS like anyone else.

[yuiyoshida]

48. They are video hosts...

You don't know who any of them are??

[treestar]

104. I've heard of them due to DU

Rarely watch them, unless some DUer puts up something from them if the subject sounds interesting. Not big on pundits. I guess I don't see why I need to care what they think.

[yuiyoshida]

107. some find video

bloggers helpful.

[MohRokTah]

47. MAlloy urges his listeners to not vote for Hillary. So does TYT.

Hartmann is a moron, but at least he is semi-sane.

[yuiyoshida]

49. so whats your call?

Ban them? Why is it no one wants to do the hard choice?

[MohRokTah]

66. For starters, anybody posting a thread promoting MAlloy's show should be banned.

That would be my choice.

Ban them, except Hartmann. He has even personally been hidden for posting woo, though.

[yuiyoshida]

71. I was Talking about banning videos

by Hartmann, Malloy etc, but now you want to ban, the people who posted those videos? ... um okay..

[nadine_mn]

75. Actually, now that Hillary has won the nomination TYT is voting for her

There are a few guests that are on TYT that are still Busters, but the majority have advocated for voting for Hillary...as a vote against Trump.

Cenk wants Hillary to go after Trump hard, he wants her to win. Just because they don't support everything about her, doesn't mean they aren't voting for her. Many have policy differences, think she isn't progressive enough, but still know she is way better for this country.

[Ilsa]

129. Hartmann is encouraging sbs supporters to vote for Hillary. NT

[yuiyoshida]

60. did you vote in my poll??

Why not put your voice out there.

[PeaceNikki]

53. If any of them try use DU to push their bullshit, hell yeah.

Otherwise - who gives a fuck?

[yuiyoshida]

79. People post their videos

They do not post here, except for Thom Hartmann.

[PeaceNikki]

91. Oh, then I don't understand the question.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

54. Meh, I ignore talking heads.

Especially talking heads on RT.

Regardless, they all suck. I don't want liberal commentators, just like I don't want conservative commentators. I just want the facts. No spin, no bs. Just the facts.

[Jamaal510]

136. +1

[MFM008]

57. Do they violate the rules?

Could WE get away with such comments?

[yuiyoshida]

119. no we would not stand a chance

but they are professional bloggers.

[lapucelle]

59. I'm a Hillary supporter now, and I was one in 2008 as well.

I remember how marginalized I felt after the convention in 2008. The thing that hurt me most was the gloating by some on the winning side.

I've listened to Thom Hartman for many years. He has given Bernie two solid hours every Friday (Brunch with Bernie) for years when nobody outside of Vermont (except for political junkies) had even heard of him.

I saw Cenk on either CNN or MSNBC this weekend chatting up the Democratic ticket.

Rather than ban these voices, why not take a look at what they're saying now and what they say going forward? If they decide to play the politics of petulance by further damaging Hillary, cut them loose. If they're on board with electing the Democratic candidate, then they're valuable voices, especially in bringing some of the holdouts into the fold.

[yuiyoshida]

120. I agree

been hearing them for years, I see no reason to shove them on the trash heap yet.

[BobbyDrake]

65. STRAW MAN nt

[yuiyoshida]

80. and yet here you are

on my post...thanks for rec, at least.

[DFW]

68. Why bother?

We don't ban Fox Noise or National Hate Radio, either. You listen or you don't as you see fit.

I'm pro-choice in more ways than one.

[yuiyoshida]

81. I totally agree and yet there are some

it seems there are some who want to control what's said here.

[DFW]

121. There must be some nuance to all this

All this business with new rules and all took place during time I was not active on DU, and I haven't gone over them in detail, but I think there has to be a middle ground between a desire to completely control all dialogue and a laissez-faire attitude that permits any and all vicious ugliness, both spontaneous and organized. I don't know ANYONE who doesn't like Thom Hartmann, whether you are 100% with him politically or not. On the other hand, I can't imagine anyone here who uses Fox Noise as a serious source of information or inspiration, although I did indeed sense of that from the more dedicated of the "I-Hate-Hillary" crowd before I left.

I find myself with a modified version of Mao's "Let a hundred flowers bloom. Let a hundred schools of though contend." Never mind that Mao never intended for his phrase to be taken seriously in 1960s China. I take it seriously now, although when I say "let a hundred schools of thought contend," I did NOT interpret that to mean "let a hundred posters on DU tear each other to bloody shreds and feed the scraps to hungry great whites." Not all shared my point of view, but what else is new?

[yuiyoshida]

122. Thanks!

We all learn something new everyday.

[DFW]

125. Do-itashimashite!

And you're right--we most certainly do!

[lillypaddle]

72. Thom is NOT anti-Hillary

[yuiyoshida]

82. I K R??

I am afraid there are a few, in this posting who disagrees

[nolabels]

76. Let's ban the INTERNET

Without it we wouldn't have most these problems to worry about, just think how wonderful life could be again

[yuiyoshida]

84. interesting but

no. I love my internet. I say ban Tv instead.

[nolabels]

93. But, but, but i only watch reruns on netflix, how else would one be able fall asleep?

And since the internet is still legal, and one of those your list is coming up on air, i am going to do paperwork, save some money on postage, listen to guy and have even more fun and it's all on YOUR internet

P.S. and can you imagine people once had to lick stamps to attach them to their letters

[yuiyoshida]

96. pssst. I know a website

THAT will SHOW all your favorite TV SHOWS...for free. ask me later

[George Eliot]

77. Remind anybody of 1984? Unbelievable.

[yuiyoshida]

86. absolutely!

Those moments of hate...

[George Eliot]

162. "newspeak" & privileged inner party - from Wiki

the superstate Oceania in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak) under the control of a privileged elite of the Inner Party, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrime."[3]

The tyranny is epitomised by Big Brother, the Party leader who enjoys an intense cult of personality but who may not even exist. The Party "seeks power entirely for its own sake. It is not interested in the good of others; it is interested solely in power."[4] The protagonist of the novel, Winston Smith, is a member of the Outer Party, who works for the Ministry of Truth (or Minitrue in Newspeak), which is responsible for propaganda and historical revisionism. His job is to rewrite past newspaper articles, so that the historical record always supports the party line

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Why would anybody want to elimiate the "outer party" who are still speaking individually and truthfully?

[LiberalFighter]

78. Not so much banning them but banning anything supporting the other side.

Which is already in the rules.

[yuiyoshida]

89. But some here say these guys are with

the other side. FT is Russian Tv and therefore with Trump. Thom Hartmann is on RT therefore they guess he must be with Trump. Cenk is a Berniebro..so he must be with Jill Stein or Trump, or so they are saying.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

[betsuni]

83. Who said anything about banning?

[yuiyoshida]

92. it follows right?

If anyone of those talk show hosts plug for anyone but Hillary, then the logical thing to do is make sure those videos aren't on here, effecting weak minds... and influencing people. There for some believe those Video hosts should not post on DU.

well, check this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

It pisses me off it be even considered.

[betsuni]

95. No, in that post there was no mention at all of banning anything.

What are you talking about?

[yuiyoshida]

97. THEY THINK Cenk is anti Hillary

THey THINK THOM Hartmann is on RT there by anti Hillary
THey THINK Mike Malloy is anti Hillary...

According to TOS those advocating for anything but Hillary should be removed from DU
and it stands to reason, than the next step is obvious, ban their videos. I have read on Du that some want this done. I spot 8 in my poll already. ASK them!

[betsuni]

112. This is a site for Democrats. Clinton is the Democratic nominee.

It's not strange that when Cenk and Malloy consider Democrats worse than Republicans it's not welcomed. I see videos of TYT and Malloy and Thom here all the time. Nobody is going to ban them unless their shows violate the TOS.

Here's a video for you. I know you like it but I hate it. That doesn't mean I want to ban it. Get it?

[yuiyoshida]

114. I do love that video but also I have not asked for any videos to be banned

I have simply stated, that some people on DU would like to see those video bloggers removed from DU. I have seen multiple examples of it. I do not agree with it but am simply showing people
here that there are people who want that to happen. Look, at the 10 who want it above in my poll.

[tammywammy]

224. The only person talking about banning in that thread is you.

[stonecutter357]

85. now buy some...

[DemonGoddess]

87. Well, I personally can't stand TYT show

Thom Hartmann waffles all the time, and so on. But I won't ask for their shit to be banned. I choose not to listen/watch anything coming from RUSSIA Today. Piss on that.

[yuiyoshida]

99. did you vote?

n/t

[DemonGoddess]

102. yes I did

I voted to pass. My personal opinion of these yahoos is my opinion. It has not a thing to do with whether or not they should be denied as source material.

[yuiyoshida]

106. I agree

The whole point of this little exercise was just to see that in our midst we have extremest as well..and I don't care to have videos banned because people disagree with them. For years these video bloggers have kept us informed. Why change now?

[DemonGoddess]

108. far too many of them

were pushing CT, which is why I won't watch 'em. I don't have TIME for that shit.

[yuiyoshida]

109. CT?

what is that?

[DemonGoddess]

111. conspiracy theory crap

stuff that is easily disproved, yet too many people listen and take them at their word, instead of looking at it themselves.

[yuiyoshida]

113. aw yes thanks...

to my knowledge I don't think any of those hosts can be compared with Alex Jones.

[SirBrockington]

88. Pretty slanted wording

[yuiyoshida]

94. What is slanted...

Wait, you would use the term "slanted" to an Asian American?? Just kiddin. relax... and its true, some people on DU would like it just fine if those videos were not posted on dU. TYT for example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512331623

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. Wannabee hall monitors and wardens.

[yuiyoshida]

98. spot on

[SMC22307]

242. Yep. That's what DU has been reduced to...

and it's much more pronounced the past couple o' months.

[Ron Obvious]

100. That was amusing: I just voted in this poll while serving on a jury for it.

I didn't even know that was possible.

[yuiyoshida]

101. how is this poll against ToS?

very strange

[Ron Obvious]

103. I voted to keep

If I'm even allowed to say that these days. I miss the old jury system where I could have said exactly what you just said and read the other comments.

It's still here, so I'm hoping it'll stay.

This place is getting more unhinged by the day.

[Orsino]

105. No, it's not our call.

That's up to admins. Juries can settle any alerts.

[yuiyoshida]

110. If people are upset with the videos

they can alert on them enough that people will decide not to post them any longer. That to me would be a shame. I would hate to see it happen.

[KMOD]

115. I have no idea who Mike Malloy is.

as far as Cenk or Hartmann, I don't watch or listen to their programs. To each their own.

[yuiyoshida]

118. amazing.

Kinda shocked how many say they don't know who these guys are.

[Rex]

145. It explains a lot imo. nt

nt

[KMOD]

155. Exactly what does it explain Rex?

Please, share your opinion.

[KMOD]

163. I know two of the three.

They just aren't my personal cup of tea.

[womanofthehills]

190. I am amazed too - they are all progressive voices who have been around for years

Many of them were on Air America Radio and on local radio stations. Papantonio is one of the most famous environmental lawyers.

[yuiyoshida]

191. There must be a lot here who are

new to Politics.

[Sugarcoated]

116. How about a group or forum for them?

[yuiyoshida]

117. Whats wrong with the Video & Multimedia section

where they are normally posted? You want them hidden?

[Sugarcoated]

141. Hide what?

I don't want anything hidden

[NCTraveler]

123. Glad you had a perfect option for me. nt.

[Amimnoch]

124. Already have the rules in place for this. Don't need new ones.

If it's a piece that is anti Democrat, it's a no-no, needs to be hidden and the poster reviewed.

If it's a piece that isn't anti-Democrat it's a leave.

It shouldn't matter if they are anti-Hillary or not. Each piece or segment should stand on its own merit. Not every segment they do is about, or even mentions Hillary.

From the rules:

Don't bash Democratic public figures
Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders)

If you're posting on this site, you (collectively not directed at the OP) agreed to it.

[yuiyoshida]

128. common sense

agree.

[stevenleser]

134. You beat me to it. nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

126. Ban? Where the hell would I get my comedic relief from?

[yuiyoshida]

131. The videos can certainly be

amusing!

[Ilsa]

127. THOM HARTMANN HAS CONSISTENTLY CALLED ON SBS SUPPORTERS TO SUPPORT HILLARY IN THE GE.

He voted for SBS in the primary, but he has encouraged all bernie voters to support Clinton. He has told them that the SCOTUS for the next generation depends on them voting for Sec. Clinton. Anyone who says differsntly is being dishonest.

[OldHippieChick]

143. In fact, before the primaries were over he

went on Stephanie Miller's show and she on his. They both pledged to support the other's candidate if theirs did not win (Steph a big Hillary supporter). Thom is hardly a moron. He is one of the most intelligent radio/tv hosts around. He's well-read and has written over 20 books himself. Those of you unfamiliar w/ him, I would strongly suggest you check him out.

[Ilsa]

146. Thank you for backing mre up and augmenting

The substance of my reply. Thom (and Stephanie) knows what's at stake.

[Bradical79]

130. Pundits get a little crazy sometimes

We can argue against what they say if we think they're wrong about something, and if a user shows a pattern of picking and choosing clips to construct an anti-Clinton narritive, or anti-Democrat narritive, then that user can be banned.

They're pundits, not journalists, so it seems the normal rules would apply as sources for certain things, like LBN.

[yuiyoshida]

132. and yet we have all seen the

Alex Jones video posted. Most of the time those are taken down. But some were put up for amusement. These bloggers have always been on our side. Even Malloy despite some of is outrageous off the cuff videos.

[Bradical79]

133. Yeah

They all put out pretty good content most of the time. Banning them and sources like them entirely would make this just a news site without much to discuss, lol.

[yuiyoshida]

135. some people need them.

Without them, we don't see the entire picture clearly.

[yurbud]

138. anyone calling for a ban doesn't seem to understand the "discussion" part of a discussion board

[Armstead]

140. I had a post hidden for repeating a Facebook post by Reich and an NYT article

I'm on a very short leash at the moment. I shouldn't even be posting this -- but the drive to censor is getting way out of hand.

[G_j]

142. agreed

The only reason I bother coming here at all anymore, is that I don't like the idea of being bullied off this site.

[riderinthestorm]

153. Quelle surprise. nt

[happydaze]

154. Just NO...

[yuiyoshida]

159. He would agree...

[happydaze]

160. At least 2 of them that I listen to are saying Clinton

is the sane choice

[bravenak]

161. I cannot STAND Cenk with his fake self

http://newsvideo.su/video/3526873

The shit he does where he says Hillary's 'racism' is more Devastating Than Donald Trump's is one good damn reason to ban his ass. We black folks DO NOT NEED HIS ASS TO SPEAK FOR US AND DECIDE SHIT FOR US. He also was with that Stockholm syndrome racist ass shit and I did NOT see his fans disavow any of his shit. HE LOVE TO SPEAK FOR BLACK FOLKS. He is in. No damn way black. Turkish is not african. My bff is Turkish too, NOT BLACK.

Thom is weak willed and paid by a Russian propaganda org.

[pnwmom]

166. He says Hillary's racism is worse than Trump's? Then ban him. He's promoting Trump. n/t

[bravenak]

167. Exactly.

[yuiyoshida]

173. Everyone has their own alert button

if they think something wrong than use it.

[pnwmom]

183. The problem is having to sit through watching the videos. It's easy with a written post

to quickly see if there's a problem. Not so with the videos.

Which is why I think certain people rely on them.

[yuiyoshida]

185. I have been told on DU that if a

guy is a nutjob, like Alex Jones you can alert on every video. Why should you treat another blogger any different?

[pnwmom]

192. Because without knowing what was in a Thom Hartmann video, I couldn't know whether

it might survive an alert. Too many of those and I wouldn't be on any more juries.

[yuiyoshida]

193. if you fully believe that a video blogger is as bad as

an Alex Jones Blogger, isn't it your duty to alert on it, each and every time?

[pnwmom]

194. I never said that. n/t

[yuiyoshida]

195. so you think that sometimes their video bloggs are

okay? But if they say they won't support Hillary than what? Mike Malloy openly says He will not support Hillary, do you think he should not have his videos here?

[pnwmom]

196. I haven't watched any of their videos since the primaries, and even then I watched very few.

I hate watching videos instead of reading, and frequently the sound on my laptop doesn't work anyway.

[yuiyoshida]

197. but now knowing this information about

Mike Malloy, will you alert on his videos? Or maybe leave it for someone else to do it?

[pnwmom]

198. I'm not going to alert on videos I haven't listened to unless I have some other reason

for thinking that specific one should be alerted on.

But if Skinner ever put him on a banned list, I'd assume Malloy had earned his spot there, based on the videos I have watched.

[Demsrule86]

234. Thom annoyed me during the primary

and he has had Jill Stein...the spawn of Satan on his show. During the primary, he followed the "Hillary did not have enough votes to clinch the nomination"...even after California. This was not true and I felt he was misleading Bernie supporters. At that point, I stopped listening to him. Everyone has an opinion but accurate information must be aired. That being said, I can turn the show off so I don't support blanket banning. Since the election, he has said Hillary Clinton is the only sane choice which is true. But many of those who call still say cruel,untrue things about her, and I don't see him correcting them often. So while I would not ban Thom, I don't listen much anymore. He is a smart guy, and I used to really enjoy his show. This has been a tough primary/election season, people I have long admired have disappointed me. I loved the Yount Turk and watched their shows every week when they were on the Gore channel and later on the net...but I would not now. It takes a certain amount of selfishness and privilege to be able to throw millions of vulnerable Americans under the bus by attacking Sec. Clinton: the only person who stands between us and Trump. Also, I don't like Stein and she has made more than one appearance on Thom's show. She was also on Make It Plain. Now any person or organization who writes and tapes videos that attack our nominee has no place here and should be called out every time. We support Democrats here. They can post elsewhere. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with our purpose here.

[yuiyoshida]

170. Than I guess you will have to start

alerting on all young Turks and all Thom Hartmann videos, and work towards making it impossible for people to post them here.

[bravenak]

172. I will alert if he says crazy stuff like Hillary is worse than Trump

He might need a reality check

[yuiyoshida]

174. why are you putting an "if" on it?

If he says it the first time are you Gonna Give him a pass the second time?

[bravenak]

175. Honestly? You have actually convinced me to alert all of them. Sound logic is sound.

[yuiyoshida]

176. You alert often

enough than that stuff won't be posted here any longer.

[bravenak]

177. And is that a problem?

Perhaps is Cenk could stop demonizing Democrats and our candidates, then he wiuld not have his videos alerted. I understand where he is coming from, him being a former republican and all.

[yuiyoshida]

178. everyone is given an alert button

the power is in your hands.

[bravenak]

180. Good. The system is much better now.

[pnwmom]

164. Alert on specific material that is anti-Hillary.

If a high percentage of any of these sources is anti-Hillary, then ban them like other anti-Democratic sites.

[Andy823]

168. I agree

I keep seeing a lot of threads started with "concern" over something the poster finds that is negative towards Hillary. Their "concern" seems more like trying to game the system to put in negative things about Hillary, but try and keep from having their post removed. It also seems like a lot of the old "gang" that left, are coming back to cause more problems. They find some "concern" post and rec it up to keep in front and center, just like they did during the primaries.

We don't need to see the same crap again that we saw in the primaries.

[yuiyoshida]

171. That's why everyone has their own

alert button.

[BainsBane]

165. Where's the option for I don't give a fuck?

About any of the corporate media entertainment pablum passing itself off as journalism?

I can imagine it must be terribly upsetting to see mere citizens criticize multi-million dollar entertainment brands.

[yuiyoshida]

169. oh that's simple ...

if don't give a fuck, you wouldn't be posting here anyway..

[BainsBane]

182. Really? Because the only reason DU exists?

Is to promote the profits of entertainers? That should really be in TOS.
Maybe just sign all the content over to Time Warner. Then we could put an end to citizens expressing views that cut into the almighty profit margin.

[yuiyoshida]

184. They are to some respected bloggers who people

have been listening to for years. You have an alert button. Anytime you see their posts, click it and deal with it. Most of the time, the post is dealt with fairly.

[Demsrule86]

216. No one who cares about progressive politics should be

attempting to help Trump by attacking Hillary Clinton. I don't care if they have a sacred blog or on ten TV programs and numerous radio stations. And I question their motivation. Electing Trump would hurt so many innocent people that only a truly selfish uncaring person would do it. I would ban no one...I simply would ignore them.

[yuiyoshida]

220. You wouldn't alert on the video?

[Demsrule86]

225. What video ? nt

I don't think we are supposed to discuss this...so let's not.

[tawadi]

188. I don't think this is stupid

But I do think it's unnecessary.

Just ignore them.

[yuiyoshida]

189. The TOS say differently.

If you see an anti Democratic posting its your duty to alert it, right? If someone posts a pro-Donald Trump posting its your duty to alert on it, so why is this different? We support Democrats
here not Republicans, or Greens, or Independents.

[anamnua]

199. To be fair to TYT

they toned down the anti-Hillary stuff substantially during and after the convention -- even 'antagonistic' Ana. I think they are seeing Hillaire Belloc's inescapable logic:

Always hold on tight to nurse for fear of getting something worse

[yuiyoshida]

200. I didn't know Ana

had such a notorious nick name.

[anamnua]

219. She didn't. I just invented it!

I wonder will it stick?!
She is the high priestess of ideological purity.

[yuiyoshida]

221. maybe

Ana Banana

[liberalnarb]

201. Mike Malloy is an extremely anti Hillary

If he was a DUer he'd have been gone long ago.

[yuiyoshida]

202. Wait so because he is posted

often here, by others you won't hit the alert button? If It was Alex Jones would you?

[liberalnarb]

203. What?

That question didn't seem to make any sense. I do alert on Malloy videos (if it's necessary) and I've never seen an Alex Jones video posted here.

[yuiyoshida]

205. okay so you will be

alerting on all future Malloy videos when they are posted. Yes actually Alex Jones videos have been posted on DU and then removed. Some here have stated they will alert on all RT videos in the future, so that includes Thom Hartmann. That just leaves the Young Turks. Some are offended by them as well.

[liberalnarb]

206. Uh, no. I'll alert only on vids that break the tos.

[yuiyoshida]

207. good!

so you are not in the camp that says, if they said one thing bad about Hillary in a video, all their videos should be suspect?

[liberalnarb]

209. No one is saying that.

[RandySF]

204. Didn't Hartmann endorse Hillary?

[HarmonyRockets]

208. Yes.

[baldguy]

210. If they bash Democrats, or advocate not voting for them - sure.

And if they do anything else to violate the TOS.

They shouldn't have some sort of protected status just because they're "famous".

[Lottie5]

211. When does wearing pink underwear become a crime?

How can we help get Hillary elected if we spend all our time looking for commies / Russians under the rugs?

[yuiyoshida]

222. didn't I read some where on DU that

Joe Arpaio has this thing for pink underwear?

[bigwillq]

215. None of those should be banned (nt)

[yuiyoshida]

218. It would seem

15 disagree with you.

[chknltl]

223. Interesting Poll

I can not imagine similar results nor would I have expected many of these responses from our fellow DUers even 2 years ago. Quite illuminating yuiyoshida. KnR

[Squinch]

226. Ugh. People are still falling for this strawman bullshit?

[betsuni]

229. Strawman bullshit remains quite popular for some reason.

There needs to be a bullshit strawman emoji.

[malaise]

227. Anyone calling for any of them to be banned

does not support democracy

[brooklynite]

244. It must be nice to surround yourself with voices who always agree with you...

...but I'll stick with variety.

[Squinch]

230. This is a riot! I went and looked at the thread you referenced in post 24 where people

were supposedly calling for the banning of these people and guess what???

The only person that even MENTIONED anything about banning ANY of them was...... YOU!!!

[betsuni]

232. This is not AT ALL surprising.

Alarums and excursions as usual.

[NurseJackie]

236. OMG!! SERIOUSLY?? THAT'S A RIOT!! :-D

[betsuni]

239. Heh. "DU ITS YOUR CALL" Heh heh heh.