2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Is One of America's Most Honest Politicians - Mother Jones
Jim Geraghty says that Hillary Clinton is a serial liar:
We know she lies when shes cornered. Running from snipers in the Balkans, being dead broke upon leaving the White House, all my grandparents immigrated to America, her tale of trying to join the Marines, her claim she never received or sent any material that was classified on her private e-mail system, her claim to have started criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did she lies, and she lies, and she lies.
Seriously, Jim? I'll give you the Balkans thing. That was a lie. But the others aren't. The Clintons were in debt when they left the White House. Hillary's great-grandparents were immigrantsshe was off by a generation. Nobody knows if she ever tried to join the Marines, but there's no evidence she didn't. She didn't knowingly send classified material on her private email system, and it's hardly fair to judge her by the fact that some of her emails were retroactively classified. And her statement about the Iraq War was strained (she was talking about criticism after Obama joined the Senate), but it's typical political exaggeration, not a lie.
Look: all politicians lie sometimes. That includes Hillary Clinton. But as the chart on the right shows, Hillary is one of the most honest politicians on the national stage. Here's a similar conclusion from the New York Times.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/hillary-clinton-one-americas-most-honest-politicians
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and repeatedly try to instill the idea that she is "untrustworthy." It's the Republican tactic of taking your own worst shortcoming and projecting it onto your opponent instead. It's a tactic that the left has learned to employ as well. How many times did we see "I don't trust her" repeated on this site as the reason people couldn't vote for her?
Oh well, in our current climate, lies can never be fought with facts.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in general on polls, so that defined a major strength they had to take down.
Note, though, that Hillary's ratings are up in the positive percentages anyway EXCEPT when she is running for an office no woman has ever held. Then they plummet.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)Thank you.
FYI, the last time I tried to tell someone she was more honest than most politicians, they looked at me like I had 2 heads. It's exasperating trying to convince someone with that kind of attitude.
calimary
(81,267 posts)From Jill Abramson at the UK Guardian, back on March 28th:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson
underpants
(182,806 posts)K&R
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I don't have facebook or twitter but have just texted it to a few people on my phone.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)I think it was the understandable confusion on the part of a civilian in an aircraft which had been warned about sniper fire.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That's...remarkable.
The amount of intentional ignorance required to overlook that kind of obsessive lying is extraordinarily high.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)far down on that chart and sandwiched in between HC and Sanders is a surprise.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Most of my family & friends are Dems but I've got a few that are not but they are big mouths that drive me insane. This was my very first political post on facebook. No more Mrs Nice!!!!
Rex
(65,616 posts)I am surprised he has any green or blue, what did he tell that was truthful?
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Being a liar shouldn't give you top billing.
Maybe the most honest people being at the bottom has something to do with other people not acknowledging who is actually honest?