I don't like the demonization of Jill Stein....

[MohRokTah]

I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!

HIT THAT ANTI-VAXXER, CLOSET FASCIST, NADER WANNABE, PIECE OF SHIT USED CAR SALESMAN WITH EVERYFUCKINGTHING YOU CAN MUSTER!!!!!

FOR EVERY TWO THREADS CALLING OUT DONALD TRUMP AS A SHITSTAIN, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE DOING THE SAME WITH JILL STEIN (G-MORON)!!!!!

[randome]

1. Some want to uncritically apply accolades to third party alternatives.

Not all third parties -nor their candidates- are created equal.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[Demsrule86]

2. Absolutely, but you give shit a bad name....she is worse! nt

[workinclasszero]

3. But MohRokTah...

tell us how you really feel!

BTW I agree with you 1000%!

[iandhr]

4. It is unhealthy to keep your anger inside.

Let is all out.

[NCTraveler]

5. Eyes on the prize.

Each vote for the Green Party you suppress does not turn into a vote for the Democratic Party nor does it benefit the Democratic Party.

Each vote you suppress for the Republicans directly benefits Clinton.

Suppressing Republican voters needs to be our goal.

Stein is an extremely poor spokesperson for the Green Party and they are not significant.

Still, I do enjoy kicking anti-vaxxers.

Edit: You rock and I love how you hang it all out there.

[Maru Kitteh]

43. I disagree that supressing the Green party vote does not benefit the Democratic party.

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I'm pretty sure President Gore would have been far preferable to W. for 8 years.

I also think that building an idealistically solid, but viable strong left in our party (ala more of the likes of Elizabeth Warren) requires the suppression of the Green party as quadrennial wanna-be spoilers and rain gutters, grifting away votes with unfillable promises of a puritopian paradise. Persuading votes away from the Green party suppresses the Green party, and suppressing the Green party opens up more space on the left for us.

[NCTraveler]

54. We are talking about two different things.

Marginalizing the Green Party does what you have described. Suppressing their vote is just about insignificant. The reason for that is under Steins leadership their numbers have become insignificant. We have cornered their market. For your argument to work their voters would have to shift to Clinton. They have been marginalized to the point that their voters are liberal isolationists and few others. They would never vote for Clinton. They are currently sitting with almost no support.

[Maru Kitteh]

66. Meh. As I've said, ignoring a hernia can earn you a septic infection and a colostomy; or G W Bush.

Keeping them pushed far aside is a good goal.

[bonemachine]

52. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

Since when should a Democrat EVER be speaking out in favor of suppressing votes?

DISGUSTING.

[NCTraveler]

55. Every single person on this board works toward that goal.

Suppressing voter turnout is a major part of every election. I don't get your reply.

[bonemachine]

63. Uh, I'm pretty sure my point was clear as day.

But, let me say it loudly, in case you're just a little hard of hearing:


DEMOCRATS SHOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF VOTER SUPPRESSION, EVER.

[NCTraveler]

67. That makes no sense.

We should and do always attempt to suppress voter turnout on the other side.

[bonemachine]

69. Or, you know...

Not that.

Because that's not democracy. Everyone gets a vote, and everyone should be encouraged to use it. Voter apathy is bad, the fact that less than 10% of the country are choosing our presidential nominees is bad.

THIS TYPE OF CYNICISM IS BAD.

VOTER SUPPRESSION IS BAD, NO MATTER WHOSE VOTES ARE BEING SUPPRESSED

[NCTraveler]

73. I've never argued to take anyone's vote.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

[bonemachine]

97. ...and I quote:

"Suppressing Republican voters needs to be our goal. "

[NCTraveler]

98. I agree with that comment.

It is clear by way of fundamental reading skills I am talking about negative campaigning. The conversation just seems to flow. The tried and true method of suppressing one candidates votes.

Very smart person you quoted. Wow.

Happy Friday!!!!

[lapucelle]

79. I think voter "supression"

in this context means tamping down enthusiasm to the point where voters decide to stay home. It doesn't mean preventing people from voting.

[bonemachine]

96. that's a generous interpretation, and even so...

...that's not how you have healthy democracy. If you are a Democrat and you ever find yourself thinking that what we need to do is encourage people to not vote, well, buddy, your priorities have gotten fucked up somewhere along the line.

[bettyellen]

57. Lol, it's not suppression like the GOP is doing it... It's campaigning against. Derp.

[bonemachine]

71. Campaigning for your candidate, or against theirs

is not voter suppression.

[bettyellen]

75. Exactly- that was poorly worded.

[AgadorSparticus]

6. hahaha. I totally agree. Stein is a POS that needs to be called out.

How anyone can defend her is beyond me...

[BainsBane]

7. I prefer to ignore her

rather than giving her the attention. She isn't a factor in this election. Period.

[Hortensis]

64. That's way I feel.

Besides, throwing insults at those who do like her just creates more support for her and more resentment against, for too many, Democrats, with our candidates collateral damage. Where's the percentage in that?

[lillypaddle]

8. Then go somewhere else

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On Edit - boy I must have misread that! I think I replied to the wrong post.

[BobbyDrake]

9. It's DemocraticUnderground, not AntiVaxxerLunaticUnderground

It's Jill Stein supporters who should relocate. She, her party, and anyone dumb enough to support either one should stop trying to dictate how Democrats should act.

[George II]

12. Was that sarcasm?

[Cryptoad]

35. May have been Satire,,,,,,,

[lillypaddle]

47. It was a mistake! n/t

[MohRokTah]

20. Uh,...nope.

This is DemocraticUnderground, not GreenIdiotFascistSupportingAnti-VaxxersUnderground.

[lillypaddle]

48. You're right

I screwed up. My bad. Must not have read far enough.

[leftofcool]

31. Advocating for 3rd party is against the TOS

This is Democratic Underground not green party oompaloompa

[yardwork]

41. DU is for helping Democrats get elected.

[lillypaddle]

46. I agree. n/t

[Beantighe]

10. She tweets almost as often as the Donald. She's vile.

I keep asking her questions and she keeps removing me from her list. Of course I don't know much about the twitter so I'm probably doing it wrong. I just like to think I'm getting under her skin

[uponit7771]

14. +1, whoa... keep Stiens out of office

[MrScorpio]

11. Doing my part nt

[Little Star]

13. k&r

[prayin4rain]

15. Haha. ...her attacks on Hillary are ridiculous. nt

[retrowire]

16. yeah, honestly her anti vax position

Was enough for me to go NOPE.

[mountain grammy]

17. Gary Johnson is actually a viable third party candidate for Republicans

but Jill Stein is not for Democrats, or anyone.

[Maru Kitteh]

45. You know it's almost worth throwing some support to Johnson ala "operation chaos"

[Griefbird]

91. Gary Johnson is for privatization of government

and unfettered capitalism. How he has any support on the left is beyond me.

[mountain grammy]

92. Of course he is, but he's actually not insane

and, no, he shouldn't have any support from the left at all. I've listened to the guy. I like him, but vote for him? Never. But, if he draws Republican support from Trump and helps Hillary win, I'm all for him.

[pnwmom]

18. Thank you. People here need to realize she's an opponent, not an ally. And the more votes

from progressives that go to her, the more likely it is that Trump will be President.

[MohRokTah]

21. Greens are anti-Dem. There is no unifying with them. They are as evil as Republicans. eom

[Gore1FL]

22. Bullshit. nt

[MohRokTah]

23. Precisely! The Greens are BULLSHIT!!!

Thanks for agreeing!

[Gore1FL]

24. There is obviously no point in speaking to you further

You are intent on making DU suck by sowing discord.

Please proceed, governor.

[MohRokTah]

27. How is exposing how our political enemies are FUCKING FASCIST MORONS, "sowing discord"

I mean, seriously,

[leftofcool]

32. This is Democratic Underground. We don't advocate for 3rd party candidates here.

Did you miss that part of the TOS?

[G_j]

29. evil

well there's a scientific term for ya!
Maybe we should hang up some virtual garlic, sprinkle some salt around..

[Proud liberal 80]

25. Yeah, I just do not get it

I am as left as they come and would love to have someone who was more liberal than Clinton as President. But I do not understand how voting for someone who has no chance helps the liberal cause. Especially if it hands the election to Donald Trump and allows him to dramatically change the Supreme Court for 20-30 years. I just don't get it.

[2banon]

94. ^^^^This^^^^

[Warren DeMontague]

26. I don't think she's worth all the attention, frankly.

isn't she polling underneath deez nuts?

[zappaman]

50. I thought Deez Nuts pulled out?

[bettyellen]

58. Deeze Nuts haven't seen a lot of love and there never going to have the kind of love

They could a had with you! Deeze Nuts! are crying!


Where's Nikki? I feel like jamming.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. MUST YOU DESPOIL EVERYTHING GOOD AND SACRED?

This right here is why we can't have nice things!

[bettyellen]

61. I'm sorry buddy! Did you used to like that song? Lol!!

[Warren DeMontague]

62. No, but now it's stuck in my head.

but with the new words.

[bettyellen]

65. Oh well, I MEANT to do that! Not to you in particular, it just happened to

You were the first to come across my web, hee hee.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. it's very catchy.

Well done. And thanks.


Sort of.

[bettyellen]

70. I spontaneously rewrite the lyrics to a lot of stuff, ha ha.

It's bad habit at this point.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. eating my eggs over easy

I saw the yolk running out

[bettyellen]

77. My favorite non Betty original is "hold me closer Tony Danza" but I also had

A friend in Paris who was an Elvis impersonator and he sang the most incredible version of "Auspicous Minds" you ever heard. I did not have the heart to correct him...

[Warren DeMontague]

80. There's a bathroom on the right

there's a whole webpage of some great mondegreens, somewhere....

[Warren DeMontague]

59. deez nuts may experience a bounce

you never know

[AlbertCat]

90. I don't think she's worth all the attention, frankly.

Neither do I.

But as long as someone got to tell people they disagree with to FUCK OFF....

that's all that counts now.... apparently....



Oh look.... she's not an anti-vaxxer after all....

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

[guillaumeb]

28. Enough with the diplomacy......

how do you really feel about Jill Stein?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Jill Stein is an anti-vaxxer. LOL

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

I don't know if we have an "official" stance, but I can tell you my personal stance at this point. According to the most recent review of vaccination policies across the globe, mandatory vaccination that doesn't allow for medical exemptions is practically unheard of. In most countries, people trust their regulatory agencies and have very high rates of vaccination through voluntary programs. In the US, however, regulatory agencies are routinely packed with corporate lobbyists and CEOs. So the foxes are guarding the chicken coop as usual in the US. So who wouldn't be skeptical? I think dropping vaccinations rates that can and must be fixed in order to get at the vaccination issue: the widespread distrust of the medical-indsutrial complex.

Vaccines in general have made a huge contribution to public health. Reducing or eliminating devastating diseases like small pox and polio. In Canada, where I happen to have some numbers, hundreds of annual death from measles and whooping cough were eliminated after vaccines were introduced. Still, vaccines should be treated like any medical procedure — each one needs to be tested and regulated by parties that do not have a financial interest in them.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/759142652243644416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Dr. Jill Stein Verified account
?@DrJillStein

As a medical doctor of course I support vaccinations. I have a problem with the FDA being controlled by drug companies.

[panader0]

53. I guess Snopes is not appreciated by the OP.

[Maru Kitteh]

78. She's a crank and a quack that panders to ignorant fools.

Her vagueness and the fact that she embraces inaccurate, unscientific anti-VAX language and propaganda in fact makes her an anti-VAXer.

She's a quack of the first order.

[BainsBane]

83. Why does it matter?

Anymore than what any random person on the street thinks? I'm sure no one here is voting for her, because if they were their very act of posting on this site would be a violation of TOS. Moreover, signing the TOS agreement while not supporting the Democratic Party and its candidate would mean they were a dishonest person who lacked the integrity to to abide by their own political intentions.

Her friends at Fox news will defend her anyway. They are very good at sticking up for their allies, particularly those who share their goal of putting Trump in office.

[LostOne4Ever]

89. The problem with that is...

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]that it makes her not an anti-vaxxer in the same exact way that Dr. Oz and Jenny McCarthy are not antivaxxers.

With a "wink, wink, nod, nod."

She openly panders to the antivaxxers and uses the same "Just asking questions" and "Im not against vaccines, I am just for vaccine safety" load of marlarky.

Not to mention she endorses other anti-science and pro-pseudoscience position like supporting homeopathy and opposing GMOs and trying to say wifi waves are dangerous.[/font]

[center][/center]

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. And she thinks WIFI and computers rot children's brains.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512334148

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

36. I turned someone off to "Doctor" Jill this weekend. They are now voting for Hillary

Basically laid out what a quack she is.

Felt so damn good.

Fuck you, Jill!

[Maru Kitteh]

72. Thank you, and THANK YOU and thank you again!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

76. I'm doing my part

They honestly seemed to know nothing about her but had decided that because they are far left the "have to" vote for her.

[emulatorloo]

37. Eyes on the Prize. Stein is pretty much irrelevant to GE. She isn't even Green Party nominee either

[Demsrule86]

85. Yes she he is...huring us in GA and she is the nominee.

[JoePhilly]

38. Bwahahahaha!!!!!

Ok ... that made me laugh!!!

[wysi]

39. Righteous rant, Mok!

I approve.

[IronLionZion]

40. She's gone way too far this time

I've lost any respect I used to have for her.

She's not going to get that many Bernie supporters. Sure she'll get a few but it won't be significant enough to make a difference. Most liberals understand we have a much better chance of getting progress through a Democratic administration. Very few real liberals will feel the Jill this November.

She's polling way below Feel the Johnson. That dude is making a difference already and spoiling it for Trump in some states.

[JI7]

42. Stein is a joke to be laughed at. but you overestimate her power

[liberalnarb]

44. ...

[zappaman]

49. Who?

[beachbumbob]

51. Any vote for stein is a vote FOR trump no matter how you rationalize it

[bananakabob]

56. I live in Massachusetts.

Jill Stein is a joke, honestly.

[bravenak]

81. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY

JILL STEIN IS A DAMN TROLL

[Scurrilous]

82. @#$% Jill Stein.

[Turn CO Blue]

84. She deserves much criticism, but Snopes has already pegged the anti-vaxxer accusation as FALSE.

So I DO NOT want to see this on DU again.

We need to stick to the facts when discussing policy stances.

I am a science person, FULL STOP.

The anti-vaxxer movement is dangerous and is not based on facts or statistical, repeatable data.

I would never vote for Jill Stein for a myriad of reasons but ramped-up hyperbole like this OP is false, misleading and unnecessary.


http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

[colsohlibgal]

86. Thanks

I thought the claim was bogus, went to Snopes as well to confirm it.

The venomous hatred toward Stein is so over the top and has picked up steam, I have been astonished by the fierceness of it.

I have heard her views many times, they are quite similar to Bernie's core views. I have never heard her talk of vaccinations.

Gary Johnson will siphon way more votes from his orangeness that Jill will from Hillary so that makes the rush to vilify her bizarre.

[skepticscott]

87. Snopes backed away from pointing out

that she is a waffler and a panderer to the anti-Vaxx crowd on this issue, at every opportunity. She has carefully avoided coming out explicitly against vaccination, but every time she's asked about it, she equivocates, for NO scientifically supportable reason. If she had real integrity on the issue, she would speak the unvarnished truth, that vaccines are very, very safe, that their benefits far outweigh their risks, and that, absent a compelling medical reason, there is NO justification for not vaccinating your kids.

She has consistently refused to do that. Why? Instead, she always has to throw in scare tactics about Big Pharma and Evil Government that she knows her nutball anti-vaxx constituency needs to hear.

[NurseJackie]

88. She panders to them and validates their absurdity.

[LanternWaste]

95. Stein could triple the Green's most recent efforts and still come in at under 1%.

Stein could triple the Green's most recent efforts and still come in at under 1%. She's mathematically irrelevant... a convenient target for the overly-emotional, but irrelevant.