2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump's Second Amendment dog whistle was to Militia, and Threatens Civil War, not Assassination
In the attempt to spin out of Trump's Second Amendment threat, Trump's handlers referred to the "unification" of Second Amendment defenders as being a force that could stop Clinton gun control judges or measures. This too is a dog whistle attempting to explain Trump's comment while still satisfying the right wing base.
The "Second Amendment people" are the members and supporters of the militia movement, not so much the NRA. The NRA will expend all of its political power in the national election, and they will lose. The real sub-headline of Trump's comment could well be "Trump Contemplates Losing, and a Clinton Presidency" and "Muses About How to Stop Gun Control."
But though the NRA will have blown it's wad on the election, the right wing militia movement has been literally threatening "bloody civil war" if any new gun control legislation is passed. These are the same folks who took over via armed occupation the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. But this fizzled only because the rest of the movement condemned the takeover ON TACTICAL GROUNDS, saying that this was not the time or place for their bloody civil war. But they quickly went on to add that their long promised civil war was definitely still coming.
If you want a string of quotes about bloody civil war threats, and the terrorist plots and broken windows in Democratic Party offices that have already happened because of the leader of just one od these militia groups, read the Southern Poverty Law Center bio on this leader. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/michael-brian-vanderboegh-0
I hate to say it, but those saying this is simply a reference to assassination are wrong. Trump is the king of dog wbistles, and what he knows well are his dog whistles and extreme right symbolism and politics. The militia has been promising "bloody civil war" for years if there is new gun control law, and the threat here is not limited to assassination.
What makes sense of the gun control context, the post-election Clinton presidency context, as well as the subsequent spin about the "unification" of Second Amendment people, is that Trump is dog whistling civil war, AFTER HE LOSES. An assassination is usually a small number of people acting alone, but it takes "Second Amendment PEOPLE" to prosecute armed resistance and fight a "bloody civil war." Once again, Trump dog whistles to what's left of his base. "Bloody civil war" can include, but is not limited to, assassination.
Those who have some exposure to militia rhetoric about the Second Amendment will certainly understand Trump in the above way, and Trump is adept enough at extreme right dog whistles that this interpretation has the major advantage of making sense of everything he and his campaign said, other than the lie that this was about mobilizing people for an election....
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Much like Michele Bachman when she foretold of 2nd amendment remedies.
radical noodle
(7,997 posts)who talked about 2nd amendment remedies. Michelle Bachman has said a lot of stupid things, but as far as I know, she never said that.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Cheers
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Pissed off gun nuts that might be relied on to snuff Hillary.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Most likely the support for the law would only increase by any attempt on the life of any federal official. It can't be limited to such surgical precision.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)And as long as the MSM is musing about what he said, why they aren't rattling off this interpretation, at least as one of the possibilities.
SDANation
(419 posts)There are a lot of blow hards that talk a big game but when it comes down to putting their money where their mouth is, I would like to think 98% of them think about their jobs, families and lives. Sure this may invite a few extremely unhinged individuals that may target her which in itself is fucked but a civil war/revolution would have to triggered by much bigger issues. And the majority of the American people would have to side with them. IMHO.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)But yeah, I hope and pray nothing comes of it. Maybe cooler heads will prevail. But dog whistles don't help cooler heads to prevail.
SDANation
(419 posts)But like I said, a majority of those yahoos talk organization, civil war etc... But then they think, oh shit then I wouldn't make money to support my family, I might die, etc.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)I,........, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Once a Marine, always a Marine. If those idiots wanted to play army, then they should have joined - or in the case with Trump, not been a draft dodger. i had a deferment but joined when that deferment no longer applied. Fat guys running around in the woods wearing camo don't scare us much.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)They believe their three percent or whatever Trumps 50.1%, 60%, and even 99%. Thanks for your comment.
es35
(132 posts)It's too bad they can't prosecute Trump for this crime. But they might be able to charge his campaign for the extra security it will make necessary to keep Hill secure. Hit him in his pocketbook!! do it hard!!
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)orwell
(7,769 posts)...if you are a RepubliCon.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Mz Pip
(27,433 posts)It's a fucking bullhorn.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Jerry442
(1,265 posts)Either way, let's call the whole thing off.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Think about it. Look at what happened with the nut in CO and the PP clinic. AFTER Fiorina said her lies in the strongest possible terms about abortion. He quoted her directly.
It's the lone nut lunatic he's looking to appeal to.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Hell, yes!
However, if you noted the audience after he made his remarks, many were shocked into silence. The drooling, bewhiskered drunks who want to shoot everybody up and live some cholera-laden revolution fantasy are in the severe minority.
There are more liberals with guns than there are "patriots" who would be willing to go on a fatal lust-for-glory shooting spree.
They'll be cleaned up and sorted fast; just don't tell them that.
yellowcanine
(35,694 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)But I believe the most commentary I made was with regards to the Breexit vote.
Nice post btw...
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)It's alarming to say the least. This is very much the Turner Diaries fantasy.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)bigtree
(85,977 posts)...sedition.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Your post makes that quite clear.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Glad it was clear. Lol
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)And other comments people are seeing online. Yeah. They are going to be a problem if Trump can't keep his fucking mouth shut.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Much more like they are looking for the right set of conditions for their own deployment, but only to wish themselves success. They like Trump on the belief that his election would save themselves time and trouble.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)For all that he is excoriated for saying outrageous things, there's usually not much there there. I don't think he's sly; he just doesn't have much on the ball mentally, and this happens to reach conspiracy theorists, racists, gun nuts and others who love dog whistles. They think he's saying more than he is.
I suspect in this case he was just trying to talk tough, trying and failing to come across as a gun person.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)I see his statement as a cry for help. The GOP would be doing Trump a favor by removing him now at all costs.
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)He should be imprisoned for suggesting his gun nut followers shoot Hillary or have a shoot 'em up when he loses.