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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,729 posts)
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:36 AM Aug 2016

The moment Donald Trump lost the election











When all’s said and done, it will be the Khan moment that forever altered the 2016 presidential election.

Donald Trump will never recover from it.

It won’t even be Trump’s belittling of Arizona Sen. John McCain for being shot down and captured during the Vietnam War, his suggestion that Second Amendment advocates might want to knock off his Democratic opponent or that a sitting U.S. president is the founder of a global jihadist organization. All those things, somehow, could have been forgiven by enough voters to make the New York businessman competitive in November.

But not his dust-up with the parents of a dead U.S. Army officer. There Trump mortally wounded himself.

It’s perfect in a way — Shakespeare perfect.

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/william-f-b-o-reilly/the-moment-donald-trump-lost-the-election-1.12165855
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The moment Donald Trump lost the election (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 OP
^^ "...it changed everything." tnvoter Aug 2016 #1
Great Post...k and r...thanks for finding this..and Stuart G Aug 2016 #7
Started? getagrip_already Aug 2016 #12
A very beautiful article written by a republican. madaboutharry Aug 2016 #2
Amazing statement. Chemisse Aug 2016 #17
Khizr khan demonstrated to all of us, especially Donald Trump, what it means to be Happyhippychick Aug 2016 #3
That family are (and their son was) TNNurse Aug 2016 #11
PoliticusUSA uses that line about once a day. To date, there were 42* moments where he lost it. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #4
The moment that lasted about five days central scrutinizer Aug 2016 #5
Also the moment he proved he has no shame, no conscience, no heart. TonyPDX Aug 2016 #6
Don't forget his invitation to Russia to hack Hillary's emails. brush Aug 2016 #8
Said that at the time. recovered from Curiel w. media's help, but this robbedvoter Aug 2016 #9
Wonderful Post Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #10
In a way, this whole thing reminds me of the Texas gubernatorial race of 1990. cab67 Aug 2016 #13
Great post, cab67. Tobin S. Aug 2016 #15
I thought the breaking point was when he refused to shake Ann Richards' hand after the debate. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #20
forgot about that. cab67 Aug 2016 #21
The handshake got the most nat'l attention. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #22
Tied could be the mocking of a handicapped person. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2016 #14
That one has not lost its power to shock. Chemisse Aug 2016 #18
True...he's manipulating the press superbly. Like the Obama ISIS founder line Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2016 #23
We'll see. LS_Editor Aug 2016 #16
Reminds me of Todd Akin's comment on "legitimate rape" Aug 19, 2012.. Stuart G Aug 2016 #19

tnvoter

(257 posts)
1. ^^ "...it changed everything."
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:47 AM
Aug 2016

This excerpt below is proof that the Khans' story transcends party allegiances (the writer is a Republican). I remember being moved to tears during Mr. Khan's speech, and the writer reminded me why:

"...It created a new and needed national iconic moment that spoke to American exceptionalism both here and abroad. It said to Muslims and others around the world, that every American is a full citizen, made equal by the promises in this document. And it told nervous post 9/11 Americans of other backgrounds that Muslim Americans are as red-white-and-blue as you are. We are all in. My wife and I gave our son for the ideals I’m holding in my hand."

The Khans is every American family. Their story is every American's story. Truth.

Stuart G

(38,536 posts)
7. Great Post...k and r...thanks for finding this..and
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:24 AM
Aug 2016

you are correct.
.When Trump started beating up on parents of a soldier killed in action, it was the moment he lost the election..

IF.......Trump had apologized profusely right after his mistake, within 12 hours or less....He might have saved his chances. instead he doubled down on attacking the parents..and that is that...

madaboutharry

(40,285 posts)
2. A very beautiful article written by a republican.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:50 AM
Aug 2016

This last part is touching and hopefully true:

"The 27-year-old University of Virginia graduate didn’t just give his life for this country — the symbolism of his sacrifice may very well have saved it.

American Army Capt. Humayun Saqib Muazzam Khan, RIP."

TNNurse

(6,974 posts)
11. That family are (and their son was)
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:42 AM
Aug 2016

much better Americans than Trump can ever understand. He just does not have the capacity of thought and the knowledge.

TheBlackAdder

(28,367 posts)
4. PoliticusUSA uses that line about once a day. To date, there were 42* moments where he lost it.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:01 AM
Aug 2016

.


A couple of their writers, who are often unpaid contributors (thanks to the new economy of 'sharing'), uses a similar "the moment Trump lost the election" bit in their articles. They do it so often it's actually a joke to read it, and by joke--a joke on the writers.


* The 42 number is just some arbitrary number, probably undercutting the 4.2 million** actual abuses.

** Another guess.


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central scrutinizer

(11,745 posts)
5. The moment that lasted about five days
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:21 AM
Aug 2016

As Trump doubled down over and over. He thought he was impervious to the old adage about what you should do when you find yourself in a hole.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
9. Said that at the time. recovered from Curiel w. media's help, but this
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:28 AM
Aug 2016

touched too many nerves/moral boundaries. However the election he lost the day he declared (also predicted, primaries, GE). No field operation, understanding of what GE is, plus the many enemies he created - no amount of IOKIYAR could have offset that, But Khan just made all who still support him have to justify it for the rest of their lives. Like the Vichy French.

Demsrule86

(69,102 posts)
10. Wonderful Post
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:42 AM
Aug 2016

It takes guts to turn away from even as bad a GOP candidate as Trump in this particular election if you are a Republican columnist.

cab67

(3,058 posts)
13. In a way, this whole thing reminds me of the Texas gubernatorial race of 1990.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Aug 2016

That's the race Ann Richards won. She won partly because she was a seriously smart candidate, but she was a female Democrat in what had already become a Republican bastion, so it didn't hurt that her opponent was Clayton Williams.

I don't think Williams had much political experience before he ran for governor. He was a businessman. And he was a woefully inappropriate candidate for any office, much less governor.

The thing is, he kept saying and doing things that should have completely torpedoed his campaign, but didn't. He had the press join him with some friends on his ranch. It started to rain, and Williams cracked the old (and grotesquely disgusting) comparison with rape - if it's going to happen, just lay back and enjoy it. It got a lot of press, and he issued a quasi-apology that demonstrated he really didn't think he'd done anything foolish, but his poll numbers didn't sink as much as they should have. (It didn't help that some of the press tried to argue, in all seriousness, that it really was an old saying in West Texas, and that those saying it would probably call for the execution of rapists, hence proving that it really wasn't mysogynistic after all. The old "that's just how he was raised" explanation.)

Someone found out he'd visited prostitutes when he was in college. Most politicians, in this situation, do one of two things - they either deny it, or explain that they were young and stupid (and possibly under the influence of something) and would never do such a thing now. But not Williams - he actually bragged about it. All part of growing up in that part of Texas, he explained.

So many people were so opposed to a Democratic woman in the Governor's mansion - even one as intelligent, witty, and serious about policy as Ann Richards - that Williams' campaign didn't suffer so much from these. I was in grad school at the time; most of us were Democrats, but there were a few Republicans in our midst. They were mostly older professors, and they were the very serious type - and they were all horrified that Clayton Williams was their candidate. Nevertheless, Williams' campaign remained afloat.

The turning point came when a reporter asked Williams how he voted on a particular ballot measure. "Oh, I don't know," he said, "but I did vote on it." I think everyone expected him to then say "Just kidding - I voted yes," or something like that. Instead, he walked away. For most voters still considering voting for him, that one moment encapsulated his lack of seriousness and fitness for the job. He never recovered from it. It was as though they'd just discovered all of his horrifically mysogynistic statements for the very first time, and he suddenly went from serious to unqualified.

I think the same thing is happening here. That Trump is unqualified is as plain as the sun on a clear day, but so many people are opposed to Hillary Clinton (or, more accurately, to a caricature of Hillary Clinton spun by right-wing pundits) that they overlooked statements and actions that would have destroyed a campaign in any other election. But once the tipping point was reached, there was no going back.

cab67

(3,058 posts)
21. forgot about that.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
Aug 2016

He also joked about Ann Richards' history with alcohol. He polled ahead of Richards as late as August of that year.

Chemisse

(30,845 posts)
18. That one has not lost its power to shock.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:37 PM
Aug 2016

It's just unfortunate (at least in terms of an American spirit we can be proud of) that Trump was not rejected right then.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. True...he's manipulating the press superbly. Like the Obama ISIS founder line
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 05:02 PM
Aug 2016

to take heat off putting the hit of Hillary. Withholding endorsement of Ryan and McCain to take heat of Khan travesty.

Either master of media or just can't be normal for more than a day or two

Stuart G

(38,536 posts)
19. Reminds me of Todd Akin's comment on "legitimate rape" Aug 19, 2012..
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:42 PM
Aug 2016

He never recovered..actually, he couldn't..!!!! He had at most a day, to take it back, and he could have said he was sorry, but he never did.....from then on, he lost. Before that he had a very good chance in a Republican state..but he was too dumb and insensitive and self centered...like Trump..but Trump is much worse..

Trump does not know it is over...that the statements he has made, have solidly locked in, yes locked in, enough electoral votes to defeat he....end of rant.

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