2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States
and I hope to hell to be eating a lot of crow.
I want her to succeed. And by succeed I don't mean win every battle. I just want her to engage in the battles she promised she would; to fight for raising the federal minimum wage, to appoint justices who will overturn Citizens United as well as uphold Roe, to oppose the TPP as she has repeatedly promised, to adjust the way we formulate FTAs, to focus on environmental and climate change issues, to not let Wall Street and certain CEOs continue manipulating parts of the market, to uphold and strengthen anti-trust laws, to fight to do something about student debt, to fight to make the criminal justices system less biased against the AA community, etc.
I don't want a pony or a unicorn. Never have. I don't expect miracles. I don't believe in them.
I don't generally expect politicians to hold to their promises. I get that things on the ground can change. I do hope for HRC to fight for working class and the social safety net.
And if she does, I'll be happy to eat crow.
I think you will be very happy!
cali
(114,904 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It will be fun to see. I can't wait, I'm excited. Don't worry, she will NOT give repukes any concessions ever.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,924 posts)Hopefully people are aware of the origin of the "Citizen's United" case and the actual subject matter being distributed by that entity, triggering the case that went all the way up to the SCOTUS, and resulting in the horrid decision that we are faced with today - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2009/03/the_supreme_court_reviews_hillary_the_movie.html
I have seen far too many posts on DU that seem to disconnect the "practice" that the SCOTUS allowed with their decision, from the actual content of the material and who it actually attacked.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
cali
(114,904 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,164 posts)Unless either President Obama removes him from consideration or Garland withdraws himself then he deserves consideration by the Senate. I'm completely opposed to the concept that the President should only be able to have nominees considered for three out of the four years they are in office.
cali
(114,904 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...but since they didn't, if HRC wins we should try to get someone more liberal on the court.
If Garland is confirmed in the lame duck session, the precedent is that there is no downside to Republican Senators for their refusing to consider a Supreme Court nominee from the start of a Democratic president's 8th year until the start of the lame duck session.
TexasTowelie
(112,164 posts)allowing the president-elect to decide the nominee rather than the sitting president also sets the precedent that the current president no longer has the power to make nominations. Then one year without a justice becomes eighteen months becomes two years becomes three years ...
The Republicans would be fine not appointing any selection that Clinton nominates for an entire four years since they are bent on destroying government anyway with obstruction as long as they control the Senate. They would be willing to wager that a justice such as Ruth Bader Ginsburg leaves before Clarence Thomas which would tip the Supreme Court back in their favor 4-3. Even if Democrats take back the Senate in 2016 it is very likely that it would flip back to the GOP in 2018 since Democrats are defending more seats in that election.
denbot
(9,899 posts)Some say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..
Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)...and obstructionist Congress and a left leaning Supreme Court.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Realistically unless we have a wave election or a huuuuuuuuuge win...we will be stuck with gridlock. However, we get at least one and as many as four or five SCOTUS picks...thus the progressive battle continues. Without the courts...we were finished for a generation. So maybe, this time, we should not abandon a president as Pres. Obama was abandoned when he could not accomplish everything and support our president and vote in midterms and not attack him on liberal websites and in print (demoralizes the vote). We might be surprised what good things happen if we do this.
cali
(114,904 posts)necessarily.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)He was trashed even here when he was unable to get a public option. So you want her to send stuff through that has no chance of passing like the GOP does...100 votes on getting rid of health care for example. I mean how exactly is she supported to fight for those things with a hostile Congress...what would it look like and yes I can read.
cali
(114,904 posts)rah rah stuff just isn't how my mind works.
betsuni
(25,492 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and nothing in that op indicated that I was blind to Clinton's faults as a candidate or those in her history.
She has my vote, that's it. She's not Trump. She's not batshit crazy.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The biggest disappointment of her presidency will be that the GOP in congress will obstruct almost everything she tries to accomplish. She'll try to continue to get things done through executive actions, but there's a limit to that. Her Supreme Court nominations will be good. On foreign policy she'll be more hawkish than you want, but she's not going to start a big new pointless war like some have suggested.
Basically, more incremental progress. And less overall progress than Obama unless the Dems can figure out how to take the House.
And then, of course, some people (not you, but you know the type) are going to blame her for not getting her entire platform passed, as if somehow "bargaining hard" is going to convince Paul Ryan to vote for the Public Option.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)but the numbers between 2009 and 2011 were better than what Hillary will begin with. The courts are huge also...we also maintain what we have accomplished which would not be the case should the GOP win.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)She's not one to sit on a problem. I wouldn't be surprised if there were not already a plan somewhere, written and detailed, on ways to begin to turn the Congress.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)put forward? Why would anyone assume she would not? I fully expect her to do so, although it's likely that she will not fully achieve some of them, due to obstructionism.
When I vote for her, I will be voting for those things, too. Supporting her, rather than questioning her resolve, will work toward those goals.
cali
(114,904 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Do you not think she will work toward the goals you set in your OP? Why is that? I believe she will work very hard to achieve all of them, as she has said she will. That's why she has my support, not just my vote. In addition, I'll be working hard to help elect legislators who will help her attain those goals.
After she becomes President, I'll continue to work to help her achieve those goals, too, including in 2018, when we will all need to work hard to give her the majorities in Congress she needs. Rather than questioning her resolve, I'll be doing whatever I can to help her accomplish what she has set out to accomplish.
I hope you'll join in those efforts, starting now, and continuing throughout her term in office. I'm counting on that.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)has to compromise in order to get some of what we want rather than not getting any of what we want (given the fact of that pesky Congress), I hope that I don't have to read things here on DU, over and over and over and over and over, that call her disgusting names and rip her to shreds.
I think you are more likely to get your wish than I am.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Obama was savaged on various websites which lead to the 2010 losses...you attack your own party,you demoralize voters and you lose big.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)what did it get you? Nothing, Obama was forced to make deals with the GOP to keep from falling over the debt ceiling cliff...all the crying and attacks on Obama handed the GOP the keys to the Congress...Republicans appreciated these efforts so much.
katsy
(4,246 posts)I had 2 issues with HRC but they mostly had to do with optics not policy. I'm 100% on board with her policy positions as they stand now.
I trust HRC implicitly on the issues you stated above, but also understand that we need to win back at least the senate in order for HRC to achieve many of our common goals. We need to recapture some of the house or at least reduce the # of tea party types if possible. Unless voters come thru for her downballot... I'd consider her a success just for appointing progressive SC justices.