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Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:19 PM

 

I really like Robby Mook, (hey, he's a Vermonter) but this was just shark jumping

And I don't care for all the anti-Russia animus being stirred up. Tensions are bad enough. Let's not fall back into old ways.

Clinton campaign manager suggests Donald Trump may be a 'puppet for the Kremlin'

http://www.businessinsider.com/robby-mook-donald-trump-kremlin-puppet-2016-8

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Reply I really like Robby Mook, (hey, he's a Vermonter) but this was just shark jumping (Original post)
cali Aug 2016 OP
writes3000 Aug 2016 #1
OnDoutside Aug 2016 #6
SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #20
NurseJackie Aug 2016 #2
Post removed Aug 2016 #3
SticksnStones Aug 2016 #7
NastyRiffraff Aug 2016 #14
Cary Aug 2016 #19
SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #21
SticksnStones Aug 2016 #22
Cary Aug 2016 #23
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #4
Avalux Aug 2016 #5
OnDoutside Aug 2016 #9
MineralMan Aug 2016 #8
MohRokTah Aug 2016 #10
msanthrope Aug 2016 #13
SunSeeker Aug 2016 #30
George II Aug 2016 #37
msanthrope Aug 2016 #11
edhopper Aug 2016 #12
pnwmom Aug 2016 #15
onecaliberal Aug 2016 #16
MFM008 Aug 2016 #17
KMOD Aug 2016 #18
NurseJackie Aug 2016 #29
MBS Aug 2016 #24
SunSeeker Aug 2016 #25
Blue Idaho Aug 2016 #26
BeyondGeography Aug 2016 #27
Loki Aug 2016 #28
karynnj Aug 2016 #31
Thrill Aug 2016 #32
LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #33
Indpndnt Aug 2016 #34
Maven Aug 2016 #35
OnDoutside Aug 2016 #36
RBInMaine Aug 2016 #38
DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #39
bettyellen Aug 2016 #40
Vattel Aug 2016 #41
kcr Aug 2016 #42

Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:23 PM

1. I think it's a legit concern. Manafort changed the RNC platform to benefit Russia.

And there are indications that wasn't the only thing he did as a representative for Trump.

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Response to writes3000 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

6. Actually, no one has owned up to that RNC change yet. It is something that should be pursued.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:12 PM

20. Agree

He's not an ideological traitor but he would sell out his country for a profit. They need to stay on this story.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

2. I thought it was great.

There was nothing wrong with this at all. I can't take seriously this type of nitpicky criticism.

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Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:38 PM

7. I don't get it

Yeah, I'm new to posting...been reading a few years.

I read all the fanfare: Cali come back...people welcoming you back openly, warmly even.

But all your post topics seem geared to stirring up pissing matches and throwing insults.

What's the point? What's the end goal here?

Just asking, cuz I don't get your aim...


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Response to SticksnStones (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:45 PM

14. Well said!

You may be relatively new to posting, SticksnStones, but your post reflects what a lot of us have thought, and some have said.

The pattern for this type of OP is: "I like _____" BUT "I think ______ is a mistake"

And when people are called out on nitpicking, insulting posts, we're accused of blindly worshipping and refusing to acknowledge flaws! Everyone knows all candidates have some flaws, it doesn't need to be endlessly said.

Thanks for posting, SnS

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Response to SticksnStones (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

19. Occam's Razor

When confronted with a problem that has multiple solutions, choose the simplest one as your operating theory.

You said it: "But all your post topics seem geared to stirring up pissing matches and throwing insults"

What's the point? What is the end goal?

To stir up pissing matches and throw insults.

Drama. Pure drama.

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Response to Cary (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:12 PM

21. I have to agree

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Response to Cary (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:23 PM

22. I guess so...

Still, I can't help asking and then what?


I'll leave this conversation here as I get that TOS frowns on negative personal references to a specific DU Member. I can respect that -


Peace

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Response to SticksnStones (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:27 PM

23. It's an interesting question

Occam's Razor simply suggests a working hypothesis until you find a better answer.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:32 PM

4. I have zero problems with it

Had a Democratic contender ever been this cozy with the Russian president they would have been jailed, the election cancelled and the Repubican installed.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

5. There is an inferred connection between Trump and Russia.

IF Trump has close ties with Russia and owes their banks money (as reported), it's hard to not use that information against him.

While I don't disagree with that tactic, there's a fine line where it can turn into anti-Russia rhetoric. Mook needs to be cognizant of that.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:39 PM

9. After what Putin has been up to ? No, it would be good to give a few kicks back - We know what you

are up to.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:39 PM

8. Trump's ties to Putin and the Russian government

are a real concern. I don't see any problem with what Mook said at all. It's about foreign influence on our government. Any foreign influence that is undisclosed and not open is a problem.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:41 PM

10. I guess you have to grow up in a certain milieu to grasp how INCREDIBLY FANTASTIC Mook was.

 

Russia fucking sucks and is as close to an enemy nation as we see in the world today.

Putin is a dictatorial demagogue and rules with an iron fist. He propagandizes our extreme left through RT and Sputnik, dragging them into his insipid plots to overthrow Europe.

Fuck Russia. Fuck Putin. Fuck Trump. Fuck RT and Sputnik and FUCK EVERY LAST FAKE LIBERAL WHO BROADCASTS ON RT!

You must grow up in a certain milieu to understand how fucking absurd it is to think Russia is not out to destroy us.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:45 PM

13. I grew up in a certain milieu. Married into a certain milieu....Russian Jews who fled to Israel.

 

At least, some of them were allowed to leave.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:47 PM

30. Yep.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:13 PM

37. What gets me is the lengths some go to in order to "defend" Trump and Russia.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:42 PM

11. You are conflating Russia and Putin. I think that's facile. nt

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:42 PM

12. I won't suggest

I'll say it outight, Trump is Putin's bitch.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 01:53 PM

15. There is plenty of evidence for his concern. Manafort and his ties aren't the only evidence.

And no one has been able to explain why his only changes to the Republican platform were in Russia's favor.

But the real concern is about Putin -- not ordinary people in Russia.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:02 PM

16. He's speaking the truth. Period

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:03 PM

17. KGB Putin

Hasn't changed his spots and would love to get the band back together.......
..the former USSR.
OR as much of it as he can steal.
Rump can be used and he knows it.
He is unstable and prone to compliments
The old KGB dog can still hunt.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:03 PM

18. Somebody jumped the shark alright,

 

and it ain't Robby Mook.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:37 PM

29. +1

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

24. Robby Mook is a real asset to the Clinton campaign

and he's not off base on the issues about Putin. He did misstate the name of the periodical (It's Russia Today, or "RT", not Russian Times). But if anything he understated the danger /outrageousness of Michael Flynn (a retired US lieutenant general who dined, along with Jill Stein, at Putin's table for the RT anniversary, who has been giving highly critical speeches about Obama and Hillary Clinton in Russia, who, as Trump's chief foreign policy advisor, and despite his ties to Putin, is being included with Trump in the foreign policy briefings. Just jaw-dropping.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:32 PM

25. No, it was not "shark jumping," Cali. Mook strongly justifies the statement right in that video.

Most notably, Mook states in that video:

1. Trump is financially tied to Russian oligarchs for debt financing -- and his businesses are $650 million in debt--yet he refuses to disclose his financial ties or his taxes.

2. Trump parrots Putin in his remarks in bashing NATO and changing the GOP platform to delete support of Ukraine as it is being slowly swallowed by Putin.

3. The man Trump brought to his first classified national security briefing last week with him is on the payroll of Putin's propaganda arm, RT, and was sitting just two seats away from Putin at it's tenth anniversary gala.




But I am sure you have already posted concern posts about those three things.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:34 PM

26. Before we call this shark jumping

Let's see how much Trump debt is held by Russian and Chinese banks.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:35 PM

27. I bet he stinks on that all-important Kissinger issue too

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 02:36 PM

28. Putin is playing Trump like a violin.

We are not being fooled, at least those of us paying attention. Donald thinks he's the deal maker, but he's been made. If we just pass this off as some conspiracy theory, we truly have lost the ability to see the forest for the trees. I'm glad he spoke of it and I want it kept in the political conversation. That interview was spot on.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:24 PM

31. It sounds like he stayed within what was provable (other than missnaming RT)

I completely get your reaction -- as this really is an incredible attack. A major party nominee with extensive ties to Russia, who has favorably compared the former KGB leader Putin to Obama repeatedly.

For anyone of either of our ages, this is absolutely stunning. It should be documented and great care should be taken not to go 1 centimeter over what is provable. If that is done and this information becomes available and was believed, I would guess that Trump's numbers on all of us who lived through the cold war -- especially the generation that came of age in WWII -- would look like his numbers with the youngest voters!

Remember that the Republicans tried to make an issue of Bill Clinton, as a Rhodes scholar at Oxford, visiting Russia!

This IS a real issue. We really do NOT know what Trump's foreign policy will be or who he will really listen to. One thing that is clear is he has an admiration of authoritarian dictators that is unprecedented in ANY former nominee of a major party.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 03:32 PM

32. The Repubs would be

Saying this everyday if the roles we're reversed. Some of you never learn, you can't play nice and beat the Repubs.

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Response to Thrill (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 04:39 PM

33. You can't play nice and beat the Republicans.

"Saying this everyday if the roles we're reversed. Some of you never learn, you can't play nice and beat the Repubs."

AMEN

Playing "nice" with Republicans is what cost Sen. John Kerry in 2004.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:20 PM

34. Nope.

Putin's operatives hacking our sites and interfering in our election are genuine concerns. And, yes, Putin is Russia.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:07 PM

35. Sorry Cali, gotta disagree with you here

Based on what we've seen with Manafort and his Russia connections, Michael Flynn dining with Putin, Trump's pro-Russia intervention in the GOP platform, Trump calling on Russian intelligence to do more hacking against the Clinton campaign, Trump suggesting we abandon our NATO allies unless they pay up, etc. etc., this a 100% legitimate concern and I'm glad our side is addressing it head-on. I'm actually surprised you had any problem whatsoever with what he said. It's Trump who's jumped the shark playing footsie with Putin, not Robbie Mook. Not to mention, this isn't 1/10th of what the Pukes would do if the roles were reversed.

Oh, and, fuck Putin.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:02 PM

36. What's also great about Robbie is he is so comfortable with public speaking, and not just mouthing

gibberish...I wish I could do that !!!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:26 PM

38. Oh please. Stop the jelly-spining. Of course they need to be SLAMMING Trumpty Dumpty on Russia and

 

much more.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 07:34 PM

39. "For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."- Hosea 8:7

Donald Trump proudly destroyed objective truth and now he must reap the whirlwind. Anything said about him is fair game.

His fan boys and girls are spreading the most vicious rumors about Hillary's health and even the control she has over her bodily functions.

Anything negative said about Trump is music to my ears.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 09:55 PM

40. Bullshit- those are completely legitimate reasons to worry about Trump...

 

he needs to show us his financials - tank God HRC is in a position to demand them.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Aug 21, 2016, 11:51 PM

41. It does go way beyond what has been proven. The funny thing is that Trump is so awful

 

that the Clinton campaign could run a squeaky clean campaign and still paint a hideous picture of him.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Aug 22, 2016, 10:44 AM

42. Poor Trump and Putin. Dems are so mean to them!

Give me a break. This isn't JPR.

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