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MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 02:02 PM Aug 2016

If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee:

Please go and visit https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

If you've been there before, please go again. Click on each of the issues on that page, read what's there, and then click your back button and go to another issue. Please spend some time learning about Hillary's positions.

What's on those pages is what Hillary plans to do if she is elected as President. On some pages, you'll see broad plans, while on others, you'll find considerable detail. In every case, she is making it clear what her goals are. Probably, not all of them will be achieved, but that will depend on the makeup of the Congress during her term in office.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like what I find on those pages, almost across the board. In some areas, she doesn't go far enough to suit me, but she's a realist and is trying to lay out a plan she thinks can be realized. If she accomplished everything on those pages, we'd be in far better shape as a nation, though. Progress would be made.

Why Your Enthusiasm Matters

I mentioned Congress above. Much depends on the party divisions in the House and Senate. And that depends, to a large degree, on how many Democrats turn out and vote for House members and Senators. That turnout depends, to at least some degree, on how effective Democratic GOTV efforts are for the November election.

Enthusiasm is a powerful thing. Enthusiastic supporters tend to do a good job of sharing their support. That helps very much with GOTV campaigns. We need a strong, even historic, turnout of Democrats in all 50 states. There's a strong likelihood that we can regain a majority in the Senate. The House is tougher, but there are many seats among the 435 that will be up for election in November that could be flipped to Democrats. We need somewhere between 30 and 40 districts to be flipped from Republican to Democratic to gain a majority.

Enthusiasm will make a big difference. GOTV will make a big difference. For example, there are two congressional districts that could be flipped in my own state of Minnesota. One of them looks more probable for the Democrat than the other, but both are possible flips. Minnesota's DFL party has big GOTV plans for those two districts. Imagine what would happen if we managed to flip just one seat in all 50 states. We'd have that majority, and then some. That probably won't happen, but we could flip more than one in other states. The more Democrats who will vote with the Democratic caucus, the better. Even less than totally progressive House members will vote with the caucus in most cases. Every little bit helps.

So, if you're not feeling the enthusiasm needed to get active with GOTV, please go to that link above and start reading. Compare what you find with what is likely if the Republican wins. Then, think about flipping a seat or two in the state where you live. GOTV can make that happen. The combination should be enough to make most Democrats pretty damned enthusiastic about November, I believe. We can do this, but it's going to take enthusiastic people working to get out the vote.

GOTV in all 50 states for every Democratic Candidate! Please...

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If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee: (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2016 OP
K&R MichiganVote Aug 2016 #1
Thank you for both! MineralMan Aug 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #3
+1 GreenPartyVoter Aug 2016 #4
I guess you probably aren't the audience for my post. MineralMan Aug 2016 #7
You summed it up perfectly. Exilednight Aug 2016 #8
Kindly tell us of who you mean. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #12
LBJ and civil rights is just one example. Exilednight Aug 2016 #20
So you want her to crap in front of Senators to get their vote? nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #22
Every president we've ever had has been a pragmatist on most issues. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #14
Can we see your list, please? MineralMan Aug 2016 #19
LBJ and civil rights. Exilednight Aug 2016 #21
LBJ and Vietnam. MineralMan Aug 2016 #23
I never said they were saints. I'm saying they weren't pragmatic Exilednight Aug 2016 #25
And you still ignore Vietnam and LBJ. MineralMan Aug 2016 #26
I'm not ignoring it. Exilednight Aug 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #5
K&R nt lillypaddle Aug 2016 #6
I'm enthusiastic mcar Aug 2016 #9
MM, please check my journal. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #10
Thank you for doing that. MineralMan Aug 2016 #16
I am enthusiastic. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #11
+1. Thanks! MineralMan Aug 2016 #18
If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee, then you are a goddamn fool. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #13
Hillary does not excite me bigwillq Aug 2016 #15
Few presidential candidates, themselves, have excited me. MineralMan Aug 2016 #17
K&R!! AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #24
If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #27

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
7. I guess you probably aren't the audience for my post.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:02 PM
Aug 2016

Oh, well...

The election will take place, in any case, won't it, and the results will determine what happens next.

I don't know about you, but I'm always working toward the best outcomes available. You will do as you think best, I suppose.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
8. You summed it up perfectly.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

There's only a handful of issues that I vote on. Her stance on any of them is "pragmatic" at best.

The problem with pragmatic Presidents is that they rarely achieve anything meaningful. The list of great Presidents are the ones who threw pragmatism aside and used every means necessary to achieve their goals.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
14. Every president we've ever had has been a pragmatist on most issues.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:42 PM
Aug 2016

The meaningful achievements were the exception, not the norm.

That's how the real world operates.

It could be argued that some of the least pragmatic - George W. Bush comes to mind - were the worst.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
19. Can we see your list, please?
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:50 PM
Aug 2016

I'd be very interested in which Presidents you think were not pragmatic and accomplished their goals.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
23. LBJ and Vietnam.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Aug 2016

Maybe you weren't around for that. I was. FDR and internment camp camps and nuclear weapons. Selective memory is convenient but not complete. I'm 71years old. I remember things. Nobody on DU was an adult during FDR' s administration, but I remember learning about the internment camps from a college friend who was born in Manzanar.

No president has a clean record. Not one. Pragmatism is always present.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
25. I never said they were saints. I'm saying they weren't pragmatic
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 08:26 PM
Aug 2016

when it came to their agenda.

FDR stacked the court to the point that Republicans wanted a bill passed to stop him.

LBJ ripped into people from his own party to the point of threatening them with physical violence if they didn't vote for his legislation.

Heres the difference between LBJ, FDR and the rest of the Presidents from the 20th century, they changed the course of our nation. Bill Clinton has no achievements and will be remembered as better than most, but not great. Obama has no such achievements, and he will be remembered the same as Bill. Sure, they managed some decent legislation, but nothing that has altered the direction of this country for decades to come.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
26. And you still ignore Vietnam and LBJ.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 08:37 PM
Aug 2016

Do you not think that changed things for decades? Do you fail to understand the pragmatism that was the reason for that war? You appear to see only what suits your argument. Please look beyond the narrow angle of your vision.

We must look at history with a broad view. We must consider all of it.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
28. I'm not ignoring it.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:34 PM
Aug 2016

You have to take the good with the bad, and by the way - It was JFK who took us into Vietnam, but don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

LBJ was pretty much put into the same situation Obama was with Iraq.

The simple fact is, without LBJ the civil rights legislation would not have passed. Kennedy didn't have the political muscle to do it, for if he did he would have had it done.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. MM, please check my journal.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:25 PM
Aug 2016

I have been putting together ops from the information at the link you provided. I have done three so far with more on the way. I try to do it with just the general concepts first, then expand for those who want to delve deeper. They are the only three items in my journal.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
13. If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee, then you are a goddamn fool.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Aug 2016

that's how i genuinely feel about this election.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
15. Hillary does not excite me
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:44 PM
Aug 2016

But her views and on the issues are in line with most DEMs, so that's cool.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
17. Few presidential candidates, themselves, have excited me.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:48 PM
Aug 2016

However, I've noticed that when we have a Democrat as President, along with a Democratic Congress, we tend to make progress. I'm for making that happen in 2016. If everything in Hillary's plans were done, I'd be a very happy guy. I don't expect that to happen, but I can hope for it.

Would I like even more? Certainly. Do I think such a thing is possible? Not on your life. We still live in a divided country.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
27. If You're Not Enthusiastic about the Democratic Nominee:
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 09:55 PM
Aug 2016

consider the GOP nominee. That is all that is required. Just consider using the words President Donald Trump.

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