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Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:42 PM

Republicans are already Plotting how to Ruin Hillary's Presidency

GOPObstruction v2.0

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/amp48071/republican-plan-ruin-clinton-presidency/

If we don't throw these bastards out THIS YEAR, this country is down the toilet. Republicans do not know how to govern--they only know how to destroy.

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Reply Republicans are already Plotting how to Ruin Hillary's Presidency (Original post)
lastlib Aug 2016 OP
HassleCat Aug 2016 #1
MoonRiver Aug 2016 #2
HassleCat Aug 2016 #3
DFW Aug 2016 #24
csziggy Aug 2016 #27
HassleCat Aug 2016 #35
DFW Aug 2016 #36
pnwmom Aug 2016 #11
unblock Aug 2016 #30
Jim Lane Aug 2016 #19
unblock Aug 2016 #32
pnwmom Aug 2016 #33
unblock Aug 2016 #34
LowerManhattanite Aug 2016 #23
unblock Aug 2016 #31
awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #10
Cosmocat Aug 2016 #37
catbyte Aug 2016 #4
Lint Head Aug 2016 #5
Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #6
Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #7
colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #8
tazkcmo Aug 2016 #9
YOHABLO Aug 2016 #12
lastlib Aug 2016 #15
jaxind Aug 2016 #13
INdemo Aug 2016 #14
lastlib Aug 2016 #16
INdemo Aug 2016 #25
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #17
lastlib Aug 2016 #18
Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #21
csziggy Aug 2016 #28
Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #38
Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #20
LeftRant Aug 2016 #22
csziggy Aug 2016 #29
liberal N proud Aug 2016 #26

Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:47 PM

1. The House of Representatives is the problem.

 

We could very well take back the Senate, but the House will remain Republican. This means they will spend all their time holding hearings on Beghazi, e-mails, the foundation, etc.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:59 PM

2. My fear is that they will impeach her immediately upon taking office. HOPEFULLY,

the Senate, at least, will be in Democratic control. UGH, I hate these disgusting scum.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:01 PM

3. For aggravaed mopery, as Molly Ivins would say.

 

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 04:11 AM

24. She stole that from "Revenge of the Nerds"

Though in the film, it was never elevated to "aggravated"

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Response to DFW (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:11 AM

27. "What's mopery?"



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Response to DFW (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:19 PM

35. It goes back further than that.

 

Cops have been saying it, and other things like it, to describe circumstances where they hassled or busted someone on vague suspicion or without probable cause. Molly Ivins probably picked it up from them, and she used it as far back as the mid 1990s.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:24 PM

36. Revenge of the Nerds was 1984

First time I ever heard of it, anyway

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:11 PM

11. If they do they will be laughingstocks. She would be the 2nd Clinton they'd tried and failed

to convict in the Senate -- where a 2/3 vote is required.

An impeachment alone is nothing more than an insult. Unless it is followed by a conviction in the Senate -- or a resignation by the President, as Richard Nixon did -- it will mean nothing.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:44 AM

30. well, they were fairly successful in distracting and derailing clinton's agenda during that time.

not that the last couple of years of any president's second term are ever all that consequential.

and the leaders of the impeachment effort later paid a political price themselves....

but you're right in that if they're going to do it, it would behoove them to actually have the goods this time round.

but we all know they can't help themselves, they'll impeach at the drop of a hat.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:46 AM

19. They would no more want Clinton out of office than they would want abortion banned.

 

If Clinton is elected, they'll look forward to four years of endless hearings, investigations, and denunciations. They wouldn't have nearly as much scope for that sort of thing with Kaine in the White House.

The parallel with abortion is that the Republicans want to have something or someone to run against. They've been screaming about abortion for decades now. They use it to fundraise and to motivate the base. If they ever achieved what they say they want, they'd lose that issue.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:51 AM

32. they will keep the impeachment threat in the air, then impeach as re-election time draws near.

it's all about timing. they're not afraid of a wounded democratic party in the oval office, i.e., kaine, provided he takes over late enough in the game. if they remove hillary too soon, that gives kaine enough time to establish his own reputation.

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Response to unblock (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:52 AM

33. Bill's popularity went UP when he got impeached. It can backfire. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 11:22 AM

34. the right-wingers don't see it that way.

yes, his popularity went up, but he wasn't able to accomplish much, and for them that's a victory. moreover, gore was defeated, and while that's a whole different discussion, right-wingers certainly think clinton's impeachment played into that.

of course, they increasingly play to their own audience, and inside that bubble, any impeachment of hillary will be a validation of decades of hillary-hate, and the eventual refusal to remove by the senate will be characterized as libruls ruining murika and all that.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 03:35 AM

23. Can't just impeach...there has to be a crime committed WHILE in the office of President...

...Not that these clown car seat-sniffers wouldn't try to drum up some sh*t...but them' so the rules...

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Response to LowerManhattanite (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:48 AM

31. it's been said before that "high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever congress wants it to mean.

in hillary's case, i'm sure the house will be more than comfortable arguing that some things that happened while she was secretary of state or even senator for that matter count.

or, yeah, they'll impeach her on january 20th for either not wiping her shoes before she enters the white house, or wiping her shoes on a welcome mat with the presidential seal.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:06 PM

10. That is why we need to encourage those

 

republicans who won't vote for Trump not to vote at all. That way, they won't be voting down ticket.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 02:00 PM

37. YEP

assuming she wins, it will four more years of utter bullshit ...

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:01 PM

4. Of course they are. They are so stuck on stupid that they don't know how to do anything else.

It's inertia--they haven't done a goddamned thing in over 9 years but gerrymander and obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, yet they hold tha majority of the House, Senate, and state houses. Unless we throw those vile, worthless pos's out, why should they change!?

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:06 PM

5. There could be very few to ruin anything if the "Down Ticket" loses. Trump is absolutely destroying

the GOP. The smart ones will either head to the hills or head out to support GOP candidates who are losing in the polls.
The Orange Burgermeister could cause a schism in the Republican party resulting in an offshoot party with current GOP
leaders creating a different kind of GOP. It's happened before. In a slightly different way. The Whigs and Tories thing.
The Lincoln Republican party that was essentially the current Democratic party in their beliefs. Even the Democratic party
went through a redemption when the Civil rights laws were passed in the 60's. That's why I say, 'You show me a racist and I'll show you a Republican.' That doesn't mean all Republicans are racist. It's just that I know of no Democrats who are racist. There could be, but, considering the KKK feel redeemed because they are accepted by the leader of the Republican party for President, I don't think so.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:06 PM

6. They have been trying to knock her out for years. They could have better spent

Their time and energy on developing candidates which are fit for offices. Republicans only has themselves to blame for their nominee for president. The crazies have spoken, maybe they should works law to prevent the crazies from voting in the future.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:20 PM

7. I agree--this BS has to STOP. We need the HOUSE or else we are screwed.

 

FUCK THE GOP.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:05 PM

8. No Doubt

They decided to quit really governing with Bill Clinton, to oppose everything, and doubled down with Obama. Now they are going to be faced with a female president after a black one, so their heads may explode.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 10:37 PM

9. This can't be a surprise.

If anyone is genuinely surprised by this they haven't been paying attention. The Clinton's are the Goppers' Enemy Number 1.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:14 PM

12. Let's work on getting rid of Citizens United, appointing more moderate progressive SC judges.

 

then we'll go after the gerrymandering in the States.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:42 PM

15. That's not going to happen before this November.

I agree that this is important, but it's not the immediate problem; the solution requires that we make the necessary gains THIS election. If we don't turn the GOPee congressional majorities into minorities this fall, we will have tremendous difficulty overriding CU, getting better judges, etc., come January. If Repugs still hold a majority in either house then, they will throw up more of their tired old obstructionism, and accomplishing anything constructive may be a pipe dream.

Bottom line: we have to kick their asses out NOW. Get. Out. the Effing. VOTE! Register more voters, work the phones, raise the money, and GET PEOPLE to the polls! Toss out the Darrell Issas, Loui Gohmerts, Trey Gowdys, Paul Brouns, etc.; Ron Johnson, Roy Blunt, and adozen or so other GOPee Senators need to go too.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:25 PM

13. What the hell...

What the hell is wrong with these people??! It's never country first with them...it's always party first. If there were a republican that was president and he/she was actually helping the country to grow and do well, we wouldn't look at their label; we would look at the progress of the country and be happy.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:33 PM

14. Obama was one hell of a campaigner,one hell of an organizer

both times he ran for President. He gave great speeches. However Obama was very naive when he came into the White House thinking he could work with Republicans,break the grid-lock and everything would be great....Wrong

Now with Hillary I think they think they can ruin her term/s as President but I think she will show them in a hell of a hurry that she is not someone they can mess with.
I think Democrats will win back the Senate. If they dont win back the House I think Hillary will quickly let little boy Ryan know that she wont take any Bull Crab...

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Response to INdemo (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:44 PM

16. If we don't take the House too, very little will come out...

of Congress for Hillary to sign. We gotta have both.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:07 AM

25. wouldn't that be nice

but still Democrats would have to have the back bone to to stand up to Republicans. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed are hasbeen's and we would need new leadership.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:45 PM

17. Win the House and State Legislatures to kill gerrymandering: Permanent Independent Commissions. nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:55 PM

18. I'm for that as much as any Dem....

...and I'm making all the donations I can here.

But much of the Democratic agenda for our country hinges on winning not only the Presidency for Hillary, but both houses of Congress as well. i guess the conclusion from all this is, To win the short term, we have to win it all at the national level. To win for the long term, we have to win at the states' level too. So let's get to work, people!!

[font size=10]G.O.T.F.V.!![/font size]

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Response to lastlib (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:51 AM

21. I'd love to see us take back the house, but BDLP is right in that we have a districting problem.

Which makes the odds of us recapturing the thing pretty long right now.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:23 AM

28. The Democratic Party needs to follow the lead of the RedMap strategy

That was created by Republican operatives after the 2008 election. They realized that 2010 was a census year and if they had people in place in the state legislatures to gerrymander redistricting, they could have districts that would let them get more Republicans in the House.

We need to start working NOW to get Democrats into the state legislatures so OUR people are in place for 2020. Thankfully the courts have been turning back some of the most egregious gerrymandered maps but not all. If Democrats work for FAIR redistricting, we can get more seats in Congress and stop this abuse by the Republicans.

BLUE MAP STRATEGY!

Blue Maps (sung to the tune of Blue Skies)

Maps were red, just as red as they could be
Ev'ry day was a cloudy day for me
Then good luck came a-knocking at my door
Maps were red but they're not red anymore

Blue maps
Smiling at me
Nothing but blue maps
Do I see

Bluebirds
Singing a song
Nothing but bluebirds
All day long

Never saw the sun shining so bright
Never saw things going so right
Noticing the days hurrying by
When you're in charge, my how they fly

Blue maps
All of them gone
Nothing but blue maps
From now on

I should care if the wind blows right or left
I should fret if the worst looks like the best
I should mind if they say it can't be true
I should smile, that's exactly what I do

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Response to csziggy (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 03:23 PM

38. Excellent point.

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:50 AM

20. well, what else are they gonna do?

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:27 AM

22. I'm not terribly enthusiastic about the next 4 for this reason.

She just has so much baggage and they will never stop rifling through it. *sigh*

At least they will lose SCOTUS for a generation. That's certainly a good thing

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Response to LeftRant (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:25 AM

29. Hillary Clinton's "baggage" is crap the Republicans have thrown at her for 25 years

The irrational Republican hatred for the Clintons was the only reason I hesitated to support her. In everything else she is exactly what I want in a candidate.

But Sec. Clinton is doing great in this election and I look forward to our first Madame President!

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Response to lastlib (Original post)

Mon Aug 29, 2016, 09:11 AM

26. That would probably be the death of the republican party

It would be their last act of defiance.

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