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DemocratSinceBirth

(100,345 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:19 AM Nov 2012

2016 Straw Poll


68 votes, 7 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Hillary Clinton
40 (59%)
Joe Biden
5 (7%)
Martin O'Malley
3 (4%)
Andrew Cuomo
4 (6%)
Brian Schweitzer
7 (10%)
Deval Patrick
2 (3%)
Elizabeth Warren
7 (10%)
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2016 Straw Poll (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 OP
I'm sorry guys but a 70 year old Clinton isn't the answer in 2016 bigdarryl Nov 2012 #1
plus...think Bill wants it more than she Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #2
And, she won't run. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #45
Much more, I think union_maid Nov 2012 #56
I'd like to see ... daggahead Nov 2012 #3
I think other names will emerge over the next few years NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #4
And Obama might start to promote a scenario BlueStreak Nov 2012 #15
Clinton-Castro 2016 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #5
Wow the Republicans heads would explode if we doc03 Nov 2012 #9
Who gives a shit. Hutzpa Nov 2012 #24
Julian Castro will run for Texas Governor before he runs for VP or Pres. n/t Tx4obama Nov 2012 #38
Will that be By 2014? LukeFL Nov 2012 #65
Texas Gov Rick Perry's seat will be in play in the 2014 election. n/t Tx4obama Nov 2012 #67
Unless Freemont13 Nov 2012 #50
I'll support Joe, though its Hillary's if she wants it MadBadger Nov 2012 #6
I don't understand this reasoning. She still has to get through a primary, and there is still going Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #12
Hillary is far more popular than she ever has been MadBadger Nov 2012 #13
Respectfully, I disagree Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #14
I really don't think so. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #16
His Argument Assumes Barack Obamas Are A Dime A Dozen DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #18
I don't agree with that at all either.... Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #19
Six Points DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #20
Or the Citizen 's United machine this year. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #28
Yeah, his fundraising ability is second to none... TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #51
I didn't support her in 08, and i still wouldn't support her in 16. Daniel537 Nov 2012 #33
I didn't support her in the primary Chemisse Nov 2012 #53
Even after the events of the last few weeks? Ter Nov 2012 #22
We Already Lost The Votes Of The Fox Crowd Which Grows Smaller With Every Election/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #30
It seemed like the only ones who really cared about all that were Fox and crew. Chemisse Nov 2012 #54
Gore/Kerry with... kerouac2 Nov 2012 #7
You can call all of that Rehash 2016 Ter Nov 2012 #23
Constitutional Issue... Agschmid Nov 2012 #49
No Constitutional issue. nsd Nov 2012 #55
Good to know, sorry for my ignorance. n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #61
Forget this. You are jumping the gun here. RC Nov 2012 #8
Still thinking about 2014 Xyzse Nov 2012 #10
Best response to this thread. GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #60
How is Mark Warner not on this poll? Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #11
Ii said the other day Warner/ Castro LukeFL Nov 2012 #62
Capturing* LukeFL Nov 2012 #63
I'm inclined to believe... Chan790 Nov 2012 #17
I'm writing in Sherrod Brown Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2012 #21
Cory Booker is my choice Ter Nov 2012 #25
Need to see more names in the hat Hutzpa Nov 2012 #26
Alan Grayson / Al Franken. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #27
. baldguy Nov 2012 #43
Just think of the yard signs! "Al/Al 2016" HopeHoops Nov 2012 #46
I really hope the media doesn't spend the next 4 years talking about this democrattotheend Nov 2012 #29
I wouldent mind seeing Warren/Castro on the ticket. MassedPole Nov 2012 #31
Or Warner/ Castro LukeFL Nov 2012 #64
Joe Biden has really impressed me lately. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #32
Hillary could never lose a presidential election RosedaleGuy Nov 2012 #34
How about Gov. Hickenlooper from Colorado? bluedigger Nov 2012 #35
I think Hick would do well!! Liberalboy Nov 2012 #39
Homeland Security would be a good position for him. bluedigger Nov 2012 #42
Hillary? No thanks. Splinter Cell Nov 2012 #36
Why couldn't chitty Nov 2012 #37
Hillary as President and Elizabeth as VP would be my dream team for 2016. Not only would they DJWBlue Nov 2012 #40
That would be so fabulous it would hurt. n/t musicblind Nov 2012 #41
I'd be open to support Martin O'Malley for his successful gay marriage push ShadowLiberal Nov 2012 #44
Barack Obama Forever Changed The Paradigm. You Need Not Be A Bland White Guy To Win/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #47
Not only for bland white guys LukeFL Nov 2012 #66
We should put aside politics and focus on policy frazzled Nov 2012 #48
I love Biden. LisaL Nov 2012 #52
What about Gillibrand? democrattotheend Nov 2012 #57
I think it will be (should be) a Latino. morningfog Nov 2012 #58
Nah Freemont13 Nov 2012 #59
It is too soon for Castro. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #68
Why in the WORLD would you want Warren to run... brooklynite Nov 2012 #69
I think if people are going to post these polls davidpdx Nov 2012 #70
mark warner mgcgulfcoast Nov 2012 #71
I like Cuomo, but I voted for Hilldog- Foreign policy experience is crucial for me. nt cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #72
My guess is all those plus Warner will be vying for the nomination fujiyama Nov 2012 #73
Where's Sherrod Brown? RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2012 #74
I vote Hillary workinclasszero Nov 2012 #75
 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
1. I'm sorry guys but a 70 year old Clinton isn't the answer in 2016
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:35 AM
Nov 2012

Plus she should wait to see how the 13 keys line up to see if the democrats have a chance at retaining the White House in 2016.Two keys are defiantly are against the democrats (Incumbent key #3) and (Incumbent charisma #12)

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
15. And Obama might start to promote a scenario
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012

I am not too inspired by any of the names in the poll.

Biden. Love him, but his age will just add to the narrative that he's a crazy old man.

O'Malley. No opinion at all, and that's a problem.

Cuomo. Maybe, but he isn't his old man. Doesn't seem to have the same intensity.

Schweitzer. I like him. I can't see him holding the eastern swing states and don't really see him adding any other states.

Patrick. I like him -- a lot. The problem here is that I don't think America well feel as strongly about supporting two black men back to back. Maybe I am wrong about that, but this would open up a narrative that the Democrat Party is "just for African Americans." That isn't fair, but I am afraid it is real.

Warren. I like her. But she really is a novice at political campaigns. I hope and expect that she will take the next few years becoming the kind of Senator we know she can be -- a fierce advocate for the middle class.

Clinton. I am concerned about her age and energy. But I also think she is the only one on this list that can win in 2016 given the landscape as we see it today. There really is not heir apparent from Obama's generation or younger, so I would like to see a strategy where Hillary plans to serve one term with a carefully selected YOUNG running mate that would then be poised to win in 2020. Maybe that is a role that Julian Castro can fill. I would love to see Hillary become our first female President rather than one of the Jan Brewer types the GOP has to offer. And I would be stoked to see her team of surrogates: Bill, Barack, Michelle, and Joe. Talk about the A team. Not one on that list that will be under 65% popularity.

Here's another name. Elliot Spitzer. he has some baggage, but who doesn't. America loves a fighter, and he has that kind of image. He'd probably have trouble with the Christian vote, but he could always say that brought him closer to Jesus or whatever all those hooker-chasing TV preachers say. That seems to work for them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,345 posts)
5. Clinton-Castro 2016
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:42 AM
Nov 2012

90% + of the Latino vote
90% + of the African American vote
75% + of the Asian vote
60% + of the women vote


The Republicans won't know what hit them.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
24. Who gives a shit.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nov 2012

why do we always have to worry about what the republicans think, why not do what is right and work our asses off to make it into something we believe in, by the way I'm not sure about the Hillary/Castro team either.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
65. Will that be By 2014?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:34 PM
Nov 2012

He has time to get to The public And for The media to know him.

I do wish to ser him on The vp ticket to any aspiring front runner in 2016.

I have a very gut feeling repukes will choose Rubio for 2016 and that will be a major blow to us ( Democrats). There is no other party more deserving than to see our first black/ woman/ Latino President than ours. It would be inmensenly unfair to see repukes take that away from us in 2016 by freaking choosing Rubio.

Grrrr... I have been reading JEB preparing Rubio.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
12. I don't understand this reasoning. She still has to get through a primary, and there is still going
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:41 AM
Nov 2012

to be an anti-Hillary candidate, just like in 08.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
14. Respectfully, I disagree
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:53 AM
Nov 2012

I think at the end of the day, she's the same Hillary from 08. Love her or hate her, you have an opinion. And people are going to be hungry for new, fresh faces. An anti-Hillary will emerge, and we'll have another primary war.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
16. I really don't think so.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
Nov 2012

No public figure is perfect. But I think a lot of people who did not support her in 2008 greatly admire what she has done in the past 4 years and intensely appreciate what Bill did in this election cycle.

If she has the fire in the the belly, she wins the nomination easily.

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,345 posts)
18. His Argument Assumes Barack Obamas Are A Dime A Dozen
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nov 2012

He was the only living politician that could have stopped the Clinton machine in 08.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
19. I don't agree with that at all either....
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:13 AM
Nov 2012

I really don't. I think Edwards may have been able to (which isn't an argument into how far up shit creek we would have been if that played out.....). But take this poll as an example, she's not even winning in this environment. While not scientific, I think it is telling.

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,345 posts)
20. Six Points
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nov 2012

!) She is winning this "poll" This poll is fun but any sentient person has to question its predictive value.
2) Dennis Kucinich won most of the 04 DU Presidential Polls and was neck and neck with Obama in some 08 polls here.
3) Kucinich was accomplishing this here while registering 1% or 2% in polls among registered Democrats.
4) If not for Obama wresting the African American vote from Hillary which is about 30% of Democratic primary voters she would have beat Edwards like a drum.
5) It wasn't until her African American support collapsed that her primary support suffered
6) Even with all those problems she still received more votes than any of of her Democratic primary challengers.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
28. Or the Citizen 's United machine this year.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:33 PM
Nov 2012

That's so important. If we do not fix that in the next 4 years, we will lose. There is no other Barack Obama out there.

TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
51. Yeah, his fundraising ability is second to none...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:01 PM
Nov 2012

And he does it with a ton of small donors instead of just a few millionaires and billionaires like Romney did it.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
33. I didn't support her in 08, and i still wouldn't support her in 16.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:10 PM
Nov 2012

I think she's done a good job as SoS, but i still don't completely trust her on foreign policy, i still haven't forgotten her comments about a potential pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran. Besides, the party needs some fresh faces. I don't want our party to become the "next-in-line" party like the GOP. My choice would be Jon Tester, he has that rural appeal that could help us gain back a lot of working class white folk.

Chemisse

(31,004 posts)
53. I didn't support her in the primary
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nov 2012

But would heartily support her in 2016.

My only concern is her age and whether she will have the drive to do it all again.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
22. Even after the events of the last few weeks?
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:13 PM
Nov 2012

I'd imagine the apology damaged her popularity and can be used against her in an election.

Chemisse

(31,004 posts)
54. It seemed like the only ones who really cared about all that were Fox and crew.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
Nov 2012

It was really a fairly minor incident in the grand scheme of things.

kerouac2

(734 posts)
7. Gore/Kerry with...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

I think to win, you need 2 presidents on the ticket and 2 floated as cabinet members.

Al Gore for Prez.
John Kerry for VP
Bill Clinton Sec of State
Wes Clark Sec of Def


Al Gore for president
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/72-72/6976-al-gore-for-president

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
23. You can call all of that Rehash 2016
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:15 PM
Nov 2012

No one that never ran before? Actually, I'm just busting chops. I like all of your pics except Kerry.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
49. Constitutional Issue...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

Clinton can't really be in the line of succession I believe since he cannot serve again as PResident. Thoughts?

nsd

(2,480 posts)
55. No Constitutional issue.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov 2012

Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright were Secretaries of State even though neither was eligible to become president because of foreign birth.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
8. Forget this. You are jumping the gun here.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012

There are Mid-Term Elections where more than a few Republicans in Congress are up for election.
Let's worry about that election first.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
10. Still thinking about 2014
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:38 AM
Nov 2012

By 2016, most of those options would probably be long gone.
Look to 2014 to see who in that group seems prominent, then I'll give an opinion on who I think should run.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
62. Ii said the other day Warner/ Castro
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:21 PM
Nov 2012

And I know Castro is a newbie but Rubio is was also a newbie two years ago and he was almost considered for VP. And I can assure you will be the primary front runner for VP in 2016.

What Dems in DC needs to do is introduce more of Castro and bring him around more often so the public can see more of him in the nxt two years.

By 2016 Castro won be too new and not so unknown. He can be the VP runner of any front runner wether that would be Clinton or Warner.

I think Clinton is tired And probably wants to retire with her head high And proud ( capturaba bin laden). Warner seems to be The MOST seasoned.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
17. I'm inclined to believe...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nov 2012

that Sec. of State Clinton really means it when she says she will not run or consider running.

I think she did at one time really want to be President but that her life priorities may have shifted; a lifetime in politics, especially married to another politician, is draining. I honestly think she has no intention of ever running for or holding office again.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
21. I'm writing in Sherrod Brown
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:23 AM
Nov 2012

A progressive who can win in a competitive state.
He'd be a lock for Ohio, and free us up to go after other states

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
26. Need to see more names in the hat
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:22 PM
Nov 2012

I believe there are democrats out there that we've not heard of yet that will be of the same magnitude as Obama.

I'm looking for that type of candidate that BELIEVES in their objectives for the middle class.

democrattotheend

(12,008 posts)
29. I really hope the media doesn't spend the next 4 years talking about this
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:37 PM
Nov 2012

I want the president to have a chance to govern before the party becomes fractured with people jockeying to take his place.

 

MassedPole

(242 posts)
31. I wouldent mind seeing Warren/Castro on the ticket.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:39 PM
Nov 2012

I would love if a woman won the democratic nomination.

As much as I love Hillary..I dont think she is going to run again.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
32. Joe Biden has really impressed me lately.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

I'd say his experience as VP has seasoned him some more, on top of his decades in the Senate. He tore Ryan to pieces, and is a powerful speaker.

Besides, the Republicans underestimate him and think he's a "gaffe machine."

RosedaleGuy

(89 posts)
34. Hillary could never lose a presidential election
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:31 PM
Nov 2012

She lost the primary in '08 but she would pull enough of the women vote away from Republicans to win in a landslide in a national election. She's fully vetted and very well known. I can't say the same for the others on this list. We political junkies know Elizabeth Warren but the rest of the country does not.

bluedigger

(17,152 posts)
35. How about Gov. Hickenlooper from Colorado?
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:38 PM
Nov 2012

He has a strong public and private record to campaign on, and he has held up well under the spotlight in recent events such as the Aurora shootings and wildfires. It seems like he is on an upward trajectory still career-wise.

Liberalboy

(1,061 posts)
39. I think Hick would do well!!
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:21 PM
Nov 2012

He needs to be elevated to the national scene for people to know him like we do. Maybe a cabinet position?

bluedigger

(17,152 posts)
42. Homeland Security would be a good position for him.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:55 PM
Nov 2012

It would give him a little visibility and experience at the national level. Napolitano might move to DOJ... But I would hate to lose him so soon as governor.

chitty

(942 posts)
37. Why couldn't
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:25 PM
Nov 2012

Spitzer keep his pants on?
He coulda been great for 2016.
I don't think Clinton is going to run. We'll see.

DJWBlue

(33 posts)
40. Hillary as President and Elizabeth as VP would be my dream team for 2016. Not only would they
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:26 PM
Nov 2012

continue to take this country in the right direction , their election would piss off my racist, misogynistic, homophobic, evangelical Republican shithead of a father-in-law. It might even cause him to have the fatal heart attack that we've all been hoping for.

ShadowLiberal

(2,237 posts)
44. I'd be open to support Martin O'Malley for his successful gay marriage push
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:01 PM
Nov 2012

I'd love to have a democrat in the White House pushing for nationwide marriage equality. I think the country would be ready for it to by 2020 after our gay marriage victories this year.

But I admit I don't know much about Martin O'Malley other then that, so my support could change if I find he's conservative/moderate on most everything else like Cuomo.

I'd probably be open to supporting Biden and Hillary as well if they ran, but would depend on who else ran.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
66. Not only for bland white guys
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 PM
Nov 2012

He changed the paradigsm even for our own future candidates. The comparison will be there and I feel sorry for whomever he or she will be.

Really- big shoes to fill. Obama has been the gratest orator of our lifetime - surpassing bill Clinton- who was good at explaining things.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
48. We should put aside politics and focus on policy
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
Nov 2012

Honestly, folks. Our role as citizens shouldn't be to game political races constantly. We just finished a year and a half or more of a presidential race. Put it aside and focus on all the difficult issues that lie ahead during the next four years.

Let's trade in our political junkie hats for policy junkie hats.

democrattotheend

(12,008 posts)
57. What about Gillibrand?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:37 PM
Nov 2012

I know she has been floated as a possibility. I doubt she would run if Hillary runs, but if Hillary doesn't run she might.

Freemont13

(8 posts)
59. Nah
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:40 PM
Nov 2012

Im not a fan of Villaraigosa. Here in Florida we have a state senator by the name of Darren Soto who will most likely be a bigger player pretty soon.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
68. It is too soon for Castro.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

Castro is currently a 'mayor'.

I believe he probably plans to run for the Texas Governor seat in 2014.

I think we will not see him on a national ticket until 2020 or 2024.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
69. Why in the WORLD would you want Warren to run...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:56 PM
Nov 2012

...after only four years (less than one term) in the Senate?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
70. I think if people are going to post these polls
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:09 PM
Nov 2012

my suggestion would be to add an option "It's too early to decide". The no vote option really could be taken as many different types of reasons.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
73. My guess is all those plus Warner will be vying for the nomination
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:41 AM
Nov 2012

Well, OK I'm not sure if Hillary will still want it. It will be up to her and how she's feeling and whether she's still up for it. Women have longer life expectencies. As long as she's healthy, I see no reason why it will be a problem. Seventy really isn't quite that old.

She'd get my vote at this point. Her husband is perhaps the most popular politician alive in the country. She's probably the most popular female politician. They've also proven to be team players. She already has a ton of experience. The only reason she lost in '08 is because Obama was a once in a generation, transformative candidate (and due to gender alone, Hillary would have been a historic nominee). Edwards, Biden, and Richardson - none of them had a chance. It's actually laughable to compare any of them to either Hillary or Obama.

O'Malley and Cuomo are also intriguing candidates. Warner would be a "safe" but somewhat duller bet. Gillibrand would be interesting, but I'm sure she won't run if Hillary is interested. I like Warren, but not just yet. I think Biden would be too old. And I like him, but he doesn't have the star power Hillary does.

It will be an open election, so we'll see quite a few initially interested. If Hillary enters, much of it will clear out. I think we'll get a better idea who's interested two years from now. We'll also see if republicans will continue going down a path of crazy (most likely they will). I think we're beyond racial/identity politics in our party and at this point we know as a party we can build an effective coalition on the national level as well. We're entering a new era here. Obama has proven that.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
75. I vote Hillary
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:29 AM
Nov 2012

I mean damn! She would wipe the floor with any teabag repub stupid enough to run against her!

Could you imagine Pope Ricky vs Hillary?? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I, and I imagine, EVERY dem and lib voter in this country would crawl across broken glass on my belly to vote for Hillary!

Now whether she wants to do that at her age and all, I do not know but it would most likely mean 16 years of unbroken democratic rule in the whitehouse and her coattails would hopefully bring control of the congress as well.

And I believe it would mean the death of the stinking unamerican traitorous Randian republican party which is teetering on the edge of extinction even as we speak!

RUN HILLARY RUN!!!!!!

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