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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:21 AM Aug 2016

Applying the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) to determine if Trump is a psychopath

The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) is used as a diagnostic tool to determine where someone lies on the psychopathy spectrum. There are 20 items in the checklist, which score between 0 and 2 points each. A score of 30+ indicates a psychopath.

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/hare-psychopathy-checklist.html

(ALL SCORING BELOW IS MY OWN - THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS)

1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM - smooth talking, verbally agile, a psychopath is rarely stuck for something to say. They are not in the least bit shy. In fact, they are not afraid to say anything!

(Trump is certainly not shy and isn't afraid to say anything)
Trump score: 2

2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH - they have an opinion on everything, they boast and brag about the things they have done, their skills and abilities. They have enormous egos, plenty of confidence and arrogance and consider themselves superior. One psychopath said that he preferred to hear himself talk, because what he said was more interesting than what other people had to say.

(No person in the U.S. has a higher opinion of self than Trump)
Trump score: 2

3. SEEK STIMULATION or PRONE TO BOREDOM - they like to be doing new and different things, always looking for excitement and entertainment. They take risks in what they do as well as what they say. For example, cult leaders, in a subtle way, may explain to their victims how exactly they are manipulating them. They rarely engage in activities that they find boring, or they don't finish the job.

(Trump is constantly taking risks in what he does and says)
Trump score: 2

4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING - their ability to lie is stunning, even when they know there is a high probability of being caught. Lies can be cunning and sly or unscrupulously manipulative.

(This one is obvious)
Trump score: 2

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS - they deceive, cheat, con, bilk, trick or defraud others for personal gain. This is separated from no. 4 to the extent that the subject shows 'callous ruthlessness', that is, a lack of concern or pity for the suffering and feelings of their victims.

(This one is obvious)
Trump score: 2

6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT - despite their words they experience little emotion or concern for the pain and suffering of their victims. They are unfazed, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. There is often a disdain for the victims, and they may even say the victims deserved it.

(Trump brags about never feeling guilt because he says he has nothing to feel guilty about)
Trump score: 2

7. SHALLOW AFFECT - emotional poverty or very shallow feelings, coldness towards others despite seeming very friendly.

(This one is obvious)
Trump score: 2

8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY - a general lack of feelings towards other people. They tend to be heartless, contemptuous, indifferent and tactless.

(Just ask the Kahn family)
Trump score: 2

9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE - they will intentionally manipulate and exploit others for financial gain. This goes along with poor motivation and little self-discipline and no sense of responsibility in terms of earning their own living.

(This is his entire life)
Trump score: 2

10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS - there may be sudden expressions of annoyance, irritability, aggression and verbal abuse. There may be sudden outbursts of anger and temper and they may act hastily.

(His late night tweet fests are evidence of this)
Trump score: 2

11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR - they may have many brief encounters, many affairs while married, and may be indiscriminate in selecting partners (heterosexual and homosexual relationships) and even maintain several relationships at the same time. There is often a history of attempting to coerce many people into sexual relationships and they may take great pride in discussing their sexual conquests.

(His personal Vietnam was avoiding STDs in the 70s)
Trump score: 2

12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS - there is often a history of antisocial behavior before age 13, including lying, stealing, cheating, vandalism, bullying, truancy, sexual activity, fire-setting, substance abuse, and running away from home. Cruelty to animals or siblings is particularly ominous.

(No evidence of this - though it probably occurred)
Trump score: 0

13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS - while they talk about big plans, they show an inability or persistent failure to execute long-term goals; then may drift from one place to another lacking any real direction in life.

(In business, I can't say he didn't have long-term goals. In politics, he certainly doesn't have realistic ones)
Trump score: 1

14. IMPULSIVITY - many of their behaviors are not premeditated and seem to be unplanned. They seem unable to resist temptation and urges or to delay gratification. They may not consider the consequences and so they appear reckless, foolhardy and unpredictable.

("unpredictable" is Trump's middle name)
Trump score: 2

15. IRRESPONSIBILITY - they will repeatedly fail to honor commitments or obligations, in school, work, family or social situations. The fail to turn up, don't pay bills, fail to honor contracts etc.

("fail to honor contracts" is Trump's business plan)
Trump score: 2

16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS - it seems like it's never their fault or their responsibility. They have little or no sense of duty or conscientiousness and often deny their responsibility. And in denying, they will even try and manipulate others!

(This one is obvious)
Trump score: 2

17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS - inability to maintain a long-term relationship because they are inconsistent and unreliable.

(Boom! Obvious)
Trump score: 2

18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY - behavioral difficulties between the ages of 13-18. Typically behaviors that are crimes or are clearly manipulative, aggressive and callous.

(No evidence of this - probably because dad covered it up)
Trump score: 0

19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE - they may have had their probation revoked for technical reasons such as failing to appear, carelessness and so on.

(N/A as far as we know)
Trump score: 0

20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY - unlike other criminals who may specialize in one area they are often involved in diverse activities, taking great pride at getting away with crimes.

(Most of his crimes are financial fraud. He doesn't diversify)
Trump score: 1
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Total Score: 32

Trump is therefore a certifiable psychopath.

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Applying the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) to determine if Trump is a psychopath (Original Post) scheming daemons Aug 2016 OP
Here's a little help with no. 12 ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2016 #1
I'd say that merits a score of 2 for #12 and/or #18. yardwork Aug 2016 #4
Bump that up to a 33 jmowreader Aug 2016 #2
I was being generous, but of course you are right scheming daemons Aug 2016 #3
Trump is a psychopath Gothmog Aug 2016 #5
Those of us without the credentials to make a diagnosis Grammy23 Aug 2016 #6

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
4. I'd say that merits a score of 2 for #12 and/or #18.
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:40 AM
Aug 2016

Punched a music teacher in the face because elementary-school aged Trump didn't think the teacher knew anything about music. Check. Cruelty to sibling. Check.

Come to think of it, we never hear from Trump's sibling.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
2. Bump that up to a 33
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 04:21 AM
Aug 2016

Let's give him a 1 on item 18. Fred Trump shipped him off to military school because he was uncontrollable as a teenager. Those places don't accept Actual Criminals, but Trump peré didn't send him there because the chicks swoon for a zeppelin in a uniform.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
6. Those of us without the credentials to make a diagnosis
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:39 AM
Aug 2016

of tRump know something is "not right" about the guy. We've all encountered people who either gave us the creeps or were somehow off. Our own experience tells us when someone is outside the boundaries of normal human behavior. tRump has shown us for a long time that he is not normal, going back long before he decided to run for President.

Now that he has put himself into the public arena for elected office, we are asked to evaluate him for his fitness to serve in the highest elected office in our country. There are tools such as this checklist that can help us make a more precise evaluation of tRump, coupled with what our gut is telling us about him. The court of public opinion is speaking and tRump doesn't like what we are concluding. Tough nuggies. That's the way it goes, Donnie-boy, when you put yourself out there for scrutiny. When your whole life has been lived like the classic sociopath, it is hard to conclude anything else but that you ARE a sociopath.....with or without a degree in Psychiatry.

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