Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:04 AM Sep 2016

Trump Wrecks Election Hopes By Turning Immigration Policy Speech Into A Klan Rally

Trump Wrecks Election Hopes By Turning Immigration Policy Speech Into A Klan Rally
Donald Trump's immigration policy speech was so full of vile hatred and hot air that it virtually destroyed whatever chance he had left of winning the election.
By Jason Easley on Wed, Aug 31st, 2016

Donald Trump’s immigration policy speech was so full of vile hatred and hot air that it virtually destroyed whatever chance he had left of winning the election.

Trump’s speech rehashed all of his scare tactics about immigrants coming to the US and killing white people. Trump repeated his widely debunked claim that immigrants come to the US and steal jobs for American workers and added the claim that immigrants in the country illegally are treated better than veterans.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/31/trump-wrecks-election-hopes-turning-immigration-policy-speech-klan-rally.html
44 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump Wrecks Election Hopes By Turning Immigration Policy Speech Into A Klan Rally (Original Post) workinclasszero Sep 2016 OP
Best way I've heard it expressed, "A Klan Rally." n/t RKP5637 Sep 2016 #1
I love the content JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #2
It *should* wreck his election hopes... Silent3 Sep 2016 #3
Agreed JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #5
exactly-- this is no time for complacency or high fives Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #15
Almost a Nuremburg rally lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #4
Exactly! unitedwethrive Sep 2016 #12
Yep. I usually hate Nazi comparisons NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #29
i am not a Hillary "supporter" lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #42
I sent Hillary $25 last night. SunSeeker Sep 2016 #43
What was the point of his trip to Mexico yesterday afternoon? sarae Sep 2016 #6
Seriously! I can't figure out what he even THOUGHT the point of it was. . . . ncgrits Sep 2016 #13
to act like he's a world leader and get some headlines Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #16
To get attention and dominate the news cycle. That is always his goal. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #19
Photo ops vlyons Sep 2016 #27
The Media will try to prop him up with false polls, Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #7
False polls and false reporting are propping him up, lark Sep 2016 #28
He keeps appealing to his base Martin Eden Sep 2016 #8
Fifty ways to Sunday nolabels Sep 2016 #10
Cocaine induced klan rally crabsley Sep 2016 #9
welcome to DU! renate Sep 2016 #35
George AWOL Bush was re-elected Unit 001 Sep 2016 #11
EXACTLY. Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #17
THANK YOU! This is why 3rd party voting must be exposed as the amoral act Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #39
Maybe even "immoral" Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #40
I think it lacks any sense of right or wrong, hence amoral but you may be right as well Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #41
THANK YOU. We have multiple examples of stupid assholes getting elected Nay Sep 2016 #36
It doesn't matter to me if Hillary wins by 20 points--I will never get that image out of my head strategery blunder Sep 2016 #44
sorry, I don't agree. that screech will be well-received by his adoring, hate-filled, frightened, niyad Sep 2016 #14
Ugly Yallow Sep 2016 #18
The Republicans stand behind him which confirms what we people of color have been saying Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2016 #20
GOTV, my friends. Can't have more of his supporters go to the polls than HRC's supporters. muntrv Sep 2016 #21
He went back to his sick base Jon King Sep 2016 #22
welcome to DU! renate Sep 2016 #34
I think he's high on the reception. forgotmylogin Sep 2016 #38
Agreed, it was a Klan rally, but those people will get out and vote. Us Dems? I'm not so sure. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #23
Some superlatives from Hugh Hewitt about the speech hibbing Sep 2016 #24
Hugh was something last night! Democrats_win Sep 2016 #30
More must be uncovered about Trump's roots bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #25
... napkinz Sep 2016 #26
I disagree. He hasn't wrecked his election. Kablooie Sep 2016 #31
Can't say you're wrong. But Trump has been losing Hortensis Sep 2016 #32
Yes he's losing but not by a huge margin. Kablooie Sep 2016 #33
Too true. But all along his supporters have been Hortensis Sep 2016 #37

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
2. I love the content
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:12 AM
Sep 2016

But I'm not convinced.

I *think* this message rallied Trumps Troops.

Because - this is what and who they are.

Silent3

(15,178 posts)
3. It *should* wreck his election hopes...
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:12 AM
Sep 2016

...but if any reasonable sense of should applied to this election, Trump's chances of winning should have been nil long ago, long before this particular speech or anything else.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
5. Agreed
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:13 AM
Sep 2016

These people really really hate the 'other'. I'm in that bucket of theirs - and I see 'what' they are. He's the symptom - not the disease.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
29. Yep. I usually hate Nazi comparisons
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:59 PM
Sep 2016

but this time, I'll go there. The comparisons are frightening: Blaming a group on the ills of the country, hyper-nationalism (NOT patriotism, which is something completely different), dog-whistling calls for violence...they're all there.

To those who think Hillary Clinton is "just as bad" listen to Trump's speech last night.

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
42. i am not a Hillary "supporter"
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 12:28 AM
Sep 2016

didn't vote for her in the primary.

(BTW, I wasn't ever firmly in Bernie's camp either)

Last night I sent Hillary another $100.

SunSeeker

(51,545 posts)
43. I sent Hillary $25 last night.
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:58 AM
Sep 2016

I bet Trump's Klan speech made yesterday one of the biggest fundraising days of Hillary's campaign.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
6. What was the point of his trip to Mexico yesterday afternoon?
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:14 AM
Sep 2016

To show that he's the most two-faced person alive?

ncgrits

(916 posts)
13. Seriously! I can't figure out what he even THOUGHT the point of it was. . . .
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:36 AM
Sep 2016

For everything Drumpf does there is what HE thinks he will accomplish and what every sane person sees. . . . But I can't, for the life of me, even guess what it was that he thought he was doing. . . .

All I got is HUH?

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
27. Photo ops
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:40 PM
Sep 2016

To get pics of him standing at a podium with a foreign head of state. He can then create ads with subtext of what a great leader he is. Assuming of course that the RNA will run ads for him, which is greatly in doubt. I've said every since he descended in the escalator that DT is incompetent. Every thing that he does; everything that he says and later contradicts, all the with whom minions he surrounds himself make him reek of incompetence. He couldn't run a paper route competently.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
7. The Media will try to prop him up with false polls,
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:15 AM
Sep 2016

but last night Trump ended any chance he had of winning the presidency.

lark

(23,081 posts)
28. False polls and false reporting are propping him up,
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:40 PM
Sep 2016

just as msm intends. Last night and this morning, they were gushing about him looking "presidential", and what a game changer the visit and the speech were. What a crock of shit!! No mention of the fact that Pena basically called Drumpf a liar, not one time did I hear this mentioned. Not one mention that Drumpf is a total coward, didn't say boo to the president of Mexico, acted all lovey dovey then a few hours later, Mexicans were back to being rapists and murderers. That's not being presidential, that's being a total cowardly hypocrite. God how I hate the media.

Martin Eden

(12,860 posts)
8. He keeps appealing to his base
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:46 AM
Sep 2016

... while convincing nearly everyone else he's a dangerous demagogue who must not become president.

Makes me question what his real motives are, or whether he's really that stupid.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
10. Fifty ways to Sunday
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:10 AM
Sep 2016

If you have any experience cornering a rat and how the difficulty multiplies. In essence, have clock in your head and know often it doesn't go easy when a conclusion is approaching. It also doesn't matter that much if they are that stupid or not either, it's the will of not getting caught that propels them.

It also looks to me that contingency plans are being made with the other hand that has been obscured or hidden. Remember those billionaires didn't acquire all that grift by being complacent.

 

Unit 001

(59 posts)
11. George AWOL Bush was re-elected
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:16 AM
Sep 2016

after ignoring intelligence and, through gross negligence and incompetence, allowing the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

This is a nation brimming over with imbeciles and Trump cannot be counted out.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
39. THANK YOU! This is why 3rd party voting must be exposed as the amoral act
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 04:04 PM
Sep 2016

that it is.

TRUMP is not a survivable event for far too many, especially the vulnerable!



 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
40. Maybe even "immoral"
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 05:15 PM
Sep 2016


And it's funny because the purists who want to vote Green really like to think of themselves as more moral.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
41. I think it lacks any sense of right or wrong, hence amoral but you may be right as well
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:04 PM
Sep 2016

perhaps it is overtly immoral, intentionally wicked.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
36. THANK YOU. We have multiple examples of stupid assholes getting elected
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:12 PM
Sep 2016

and re-elected, so for Christ's sake, let's stop acting like the voters are going to save us.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
44. It doesn't matter to me if Hillary wins by 20 points--I will never get that image out of my head
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:29 AM
Sep 2016

If Trump gets so much as 30% of the vote, it reflects poorly on America.

Trump makes W look like an absolute statesman by comparison (and the shrubbery pResidential disaster was what induced me to become a lifelong Democrat in the first place!).

niyad

(113,212 posts)
14. sorry, I don't agree. that screech will be well-received by his adoring, hate-filled, frightened,
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:37 AM
Sep 2016

angry sycophants. he has unleashed a monster, and no matter how ugly his speech, they will swallow it willingly.

jim jones on mega-steroids.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
18. Ugly
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:48 AM
Sep 2016

"The Republican nominee’s speech was ugly, and certainly turned the stomachs of the exact voters that Trump needs to sway to win."

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. The Republicans stand behind him which confirms what we people of color have been saying
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:05 PM
Sep 2016

for years: The Republican Party is a racist party. Period.

(Yes, there are racists in the Democratic Party, too, but nothing like this!)

Do I have faith that the American people will reject Trump? I have a little but not much.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
22. He went back to his sick base
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:16 PM
Sep 2016

Yup, he basically went all in on his primary base. He now has given up any chance at even a reasonable % of the Hispanic vote. If we GOTV, he has no chance.

forgotmylogin

(7,522 posts)
38. I think he's high on the reception.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:51 PM
Sep 2016

He's learned what makes people cheer for him. It doesn't matter why. He's been positively reinforced to seek it because his ego is the size of one of his buildings.

hibbing

(10,095 posts)
24. Some superlatives from Hugh Hewitt about the speech
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:19 PM
Sep 2016

Very sophisticated
a softening
very powerful


At least our side will acknowledge the faults we find in our leaders. These people live in some fantasy world just like they did under the idiot son, who they have now tried to erase from history.


Peace

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
30. Hugh was something last night!
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:01 PM
Sep 2016

He actually said that it was Trump's best day of the campaign.

This may be beyond Baghdad Bob territory.

From Wikipedia: Baghdad Bob "is best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda broadcasts before and during the war, extolling the invincibility of the Iraqi Army and the permanence of Saddam's rule"

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
25. More must be uncovered about Trump's roots
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:36 PM
Sep 2016

Klan was very active on Long Island in the 1920s

Are these life long beliefs he has held, emotional heredity, adult
acquaintances? I dare say most New Yorkers don't hold these ideas
as important in their lives and beliefs, they are more prevalent in the
south. So something else is going on here that's not been elucidated.

Here's some background

http://brookhavensouthhaven.org/history/KKK/KKK_Long_Island.htm

http://www.oysterbayhistorical.org/uploads/4/9/5/1/4951065/kkk_in_syosset.pdf

Kablooie

(18,619 posts)
31. I disagree. He hasn't wrecked his election.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:05 PM
Sep 2016

That's the kind of talk that was prevalent all during the primaries and it was wrong.
I believe it's wrong now also.

Huge numbers of Americans have been totally brainwashed so thoroughly that they would vote for the Republican even if he ate babies for dinner. They don't care. They don't vote for reasonable policies, they vote from pure emotion because they don't have the ability or interest in understanding what they are actually voting for.

Sure, educated Republicans will turn against him but the reason the GOP has been courting the ignorant, racist voters is because they need them to win. As a result many more uneducated, uninformed people vote than in the past and they've been carefully trained to swallow all the blatant propaganda and follow it without question. These people comprise a very large proportion of the US and will have a strong effect on the election.

I don't think it will be a landslide for Hillary and it could even be a very dangerous close race.
If we assume that he's lost his support because of the horrendous things he promotes we may well find ourselves living under those horrendous things as a matter of daily policy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Can't say you're wrong. But Trump has been losing
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:26 PM
Sep 2016

by all the major indicators political scientists measure all year. As opposed to these silly wibble-wobble ups and downs of frivolous poll movements.

I don't think it's possible to be a sensible person and not be horrified and afraid that a mentally disordered person is just one election away from the White House. But even if he were elected, he COULD NOT do most of what he says.

His speech last night was an enormous bag of hot air, much of what he promised unconstitutional. He can't pass the laws he promised, he can't fund further action using laws in place. He can't turn to congressional conservatives for serious cooperation because big-money funders who run the GOP would say no. Keeping the economy as stable as possible would be their big concern.

He promises both to send police into sanctuary cities to pound on doors and haul off millions of people and also to cut off funds to them to force them to cooperate. He's talking about these places, over 200 cities, counties and even whole states, that refuse to enforce federal laws, or at best weakly.



Then there's the military. It's impossible to just guess at which points "the generals" might refuse orders, but there seems no doubt that Trump would force them to make those decisions.

This Trump, the one promising to set aside the legal system in order to persecute millions of people, promising torture, murder of children and other atrocities, use of nuclear weapons for mass murder, is only the constrained Trump wanting to be the big winner. What about when the authoritarian bully thought he was king of the world?

Which would bring us probably inevitably to a President Pence, religious zealot, in the White House.

Kablooie

(18,619 posts)
33. Yes he's losing but not by a huge margin.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:34 PM
Sep 2016

Pollsters get their info from people who vote and many who won't vote.
The population that actually turns out at the polls could be a different mix than the one the polls define.

If the Hispanics and other minorities actually get out en masse Trump won't have a chance but if instead the fired up white, Fox drones swarm the voting booths it could go a different way.
It's still an unknown horse race and will remain so until the election is over.

(Or maybe even long after if Trump loses but protests the count and manages to rejigger the results.)

--

Also you're using reason and logic to analyze policies.
That's not the criteria for Trump voters. They vote from pure emotion.
Any policy that hits their personal buttons will get their support no matter how unreasonable.
As to constitutionality, that's so far beyond these people as to be totally irrelevant.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. Too true. But all along his supporters have been
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 02:16 PM
Sep 2016

a consistent minority.

The MSNBC reporter standing in the water at Apalachicola is now midcalf instead of just her sneakers covered, so we can see the water rise for ourselves. Now, if they'd only do that for political news too. Of course, there is no mention of tidal effect...

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Trump Wrecks Election Hop...