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Trump Wrecks Election Hopes By Turning Immigration Policy Speech Into A Klan RallyDonald Trump's immigration policy speech was so full of vile hatred and hot air that it virtually destroyed whatever chance he had left of winning the election.
By Jason Easley on Wed, Aug 31st, 2016
Donald Trumps immigration policy speech was so full of vile hatred and hot air that it virtually destroyed whatever chance he had left of winning the election.
Trumps speech rehashed all of his scare tactics about immigrants coming to the US and killing white people. Trump repeated his widely debunked claim that immigrants come to the US and steal jobs for American workers and added the claim that immigrants in the country illegally are treated better than veterans.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/31/trump-wrecks-election-hopes-turning-immigration-policy-speech-klan-rally.html
RKP5637
(67,101 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)But I'm not convinced.
I *think* this message rallied Trumps Troops.
Because - this is what and who they are.
Silent3
(15,178 posts)...but if any reasonable sense of should applied to this election, Trump's chances of winning should have been nil long ago, long before this particular speech or anything else.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)These people really really hate the 'other'. I'm in that bucket of theirs - and I see 'what' they are. He's the symptom - not the disease.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)but this time, I'll go there. The comparisons are frightening: Blaming a group on the ills of the country, hyper-nationalism (NOT patriotism, which is something completely different), dog-whistling calls for violence...they're all there.
To those who think Hillary Clinton is "just as bad" listen to Trump's speech last night.
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)didn't vote for her in the primary.
(BTW, I wasn't ever firmly in Bernie's camp either)
Last night I sent Hillary another $100.
SunSeeker
(51,545 posts)I bet Trump's Klan speech made yesterday one of the biggest fundraising days of Hillary's campaign.
sarae
(3,284 posts)To show that he's the most two-faced person alive?
ncgrits
(916 posts)For everything Drumpf does there is what HE thinks he will accomplish and what every sane person sees. . . . But I can't, for the life of me, even guess what it was that he thought he was doing. . . .
All I got is HUH?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)all he cares about is attention
tblue37
(65,269 posts)To get pics of him standing at a podium with a foreign head of state. He can then create ads with subtext of what a great leader he is. Assuming of course that the RNA will run ads for him, which is greatly in doubt. I've said every since he descended in the escalator that DT is incompetent. Every thing that he does; everything that he says and later contradicts, all the with whom minions he surrounds himself make him reek of incompetence. He couldn't run a paper route competently.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)but last night Trump ended any chance he had of winning the presidency.
lark
(23,081 posts)just as msm intends. Last night and this morning, they were gushing about him looking "presidential", and what a game changer the visit and the speech were. What a crock of shit!! No mention of the fact that Pena basically called Drumpf a liar, not one time did I hear this mentioned. Not one mention that Drumpf is a total coward, didn't say boo to the president of Mexico, acted all lovey dovey then a few hours later, Mexicans were back to being rapists and murderers. That's not being presidential, that's being a total cowardly hypocrite. God how I hate the media.
Martin Eden
(12,860 posts)... while convincing nearly everyone else he's a dangerous demagogue who must not become president.
Makes me question what his real motives are, or whether he's really that stupid.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)If you have any experience cornering a rat and how the difficulty multiplies. In essence, have clock in your head and know often it doesn't go easy when a conclusion is approaching. It also doesn't matter that much if they are that stupid or not either, it's the will of not getting caught that propels them.
It also looks to me that contingency plans are being made with the other hand that has been obscured or hidden. Remember those billionaires didn't acquire all that grift by being complacent.
crabsley
(52 posts)He's on drugs
renate
(13,776 posts)Unit 001
(59 posts)after ignoring intelligence and, through gross negligence and incompetence, allowing the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
This is a nation brimming over with imbeciles and Trump cannot be counted out.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Again, no time for 3rd parties or complacency.
Hillary needs our support more than ever.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)that it is.
TRUMP is not a survivable event for far too many, especially the vulnerable!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)And it's funny because the purists who want to vote Green really like to think of themselves as more moral.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)perhaps it is overtly immoral, intentionally wicked.
Nay
(12,051 posts)and re-elected, so for Christ's sake, let's stop acting like the voters are going to save us.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)If Trump gets so much as 30% of the vote, it reflects poorly on America.
Trump makes W look like an absolute statesman by comparison (and the shrubbery pResidential disaster was what induced me to become a lifelong Democrat in the first place!).
niyad
(113,212 posts)angry sycophants. he has unleashed a monster, and no matter how ugly his speech, they will swallow it willingly.
jim jones on mega-steroids.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)"The Republican nominees speech was ugly, and certainly turned the stomachs of the exact voters that Trump needs to sway to win."
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)for years: The Republican Party is a racist party. Period.
(Yes, there are racists in the Democratic Party, too, but nothing like this!)
Do I have faith that the American people will reject Trump? I have a little but not much.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)Yup, he basically went all in on his primary base. He now has given up any chance at even a reasonable % of the Hispanic vote. If we GOTV, he has no chance.
renate
(13,776 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,522 posts)He's learned what makes people cheer for him. It doesn't matter why. He's been positively reinforced to seek it because his ego is the size of one of his buildings.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)hibbing
(10,095 posts)Very sophisticated
a softening
very powerful
At least our side will acknowledge the faults we find in our leaders. These people live in some fantasy world just like they did under the idiot son, who they have now tried to erase from history.
Peace
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)He actually said that it was Trump's best day of the campaign.
This may be beyond Baghdad Bob territory.
From Wikipedia: Baghdad Bob "is best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda broadcasts before and during the war, extolling the invincibility of the Iraqi Army and the permanence of Saddam's rule"
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)Klan was very active on Long Island in the 1920s
Are these life long beliefs he has held, emotional heredity, adult
acquaintances? I dare say most New Yorkers don't hold these ideas
as important in their lives and beliefs, they are more prevalent in the
south. So something else is going on here that's not been elucidated.
Here's some background
http://brookhavensouthhaven.org/history/KKK/KKK_Long_Island.htm
http://www.oysterbayhistorical.org/uploads/4/9/5/1/4951065/kkk_in_syosset.pdf
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Kablooie
(18,619 posts)That's the kind of talk that was prevalent all during the primaries and it was wrong.
I believe it's wrong now also.
Huge numbers of Americans have been totally brainwashed so thoroughly that they would vote for the Republican even if he ate babies for dinner. They don't care. They don't vote for reasonable policies, they vote from pure emotion because they don't have the ability or interest in understanding what they are actually voting for.
Sure, educated Republicans will turn against him but the reason the GOP has been courting the ignorant, racist voters is because they need them to win. As a result many more uneducated, uninformed people vote than in the past and they've been carefully trained to swallow all the blatant propaganda and follow it without question. These people comprise a very large proportion of the US and will have a strong effect on the election.
I don't think it will be a landslide for Hillary and it could even be a very dangerous close race.
If we assume that he's lost his support because of the horrendous things he promotes we may well find ourselves living under those horrendous things as a matter of daily policy.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by all the major indicators political scientists measure all year. As opposed to these silly wibble-wobble ups and downs of frivolous poll movements.
I don't think it's possible to be a sensible person and not be horrified and afraid that a mentally disordered person is just one election away from the White House. But even if he were elected, he COULD NOT do most of what he says.
His speech last night was an enormous bag of hot air, much of what he promised unconstitutional. He can't pass the laws he promised, he can't fund further action using laws in place. He can't turn to congressional conservatives for serious cooperation because big-money funders who run the GOP would say no. Keeping the economy as stable as possible would be their big concern.
He promises both to send police into sanctuary cities to pound on doors and haul off millions of people and also to cut off funds to them to force them to cooperate. He's talking about these places, over 200 cities, counties and even whole states, that refuse to enforce federal laws, or at best weakly.
Then there's the military. It's impossible to just guess at which points "the generals" might refuse orders, but there seems no doubt that Trump would force them to make those decisions.
This Trump, the one promising to set aside the legal system in order to persecute millions of people, promising torture, murder of children and other atrocities, use of nuclear weapons for mass murder, is only the constrained Trump wanting to be the big winner. What about when the authoritarian bully thought he was king of the world?
Which would bring us probably inevitably to a President Pence, religious zealot, in the White House.
Kablooie
(18,619 posts)Pollsters get their info from people who vote and many who won't vote.
The population that actually turns out at the polls could be a different mix than the one the polls define.
If the Hispanics and other minorities actually get out en masse Trump won't have a chance but if instead the fired up white, Fox drones swarm the voting booths it could go a different way.
It's still an unknown horse race and will remain so until the election is over.
(Or maybe even long after if Trump loses but protests the count and manages to rejigger the results.)
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Also you're using reason and logic to analyze policies.
That's not the criteria for Trump voters. They vote from pure emotion.
Any policy that hits their personal buttons will get their support no matter how unreasonable.
As to constitutionality, that's so far beyond these people as to be totally irrelevant.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a consistent minority.
The MSNBC reporter standing in the water at Apalachicola is now midcalf instead of just her sneakers covered, so we can see the water rise for ourselves. Now, if they'd only do that for political news too. Of course, there is no mention of tidal effect...