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KMOD

(7,906 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 04:39 PM Sep 2016

Do you believe sexism plays a part in Hillary's polling numbers

regarding trust and honesty?


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Yes
25 (81%)
No
6 (19%)
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Do you believe sexism plays a part in Hillary's polling numbers (Original Post) KMOD Sep 2016 OP
Dana Bash: "...we're grading tRump on a curve...", "... the onus is on her..." uponit7771 Sep 2016 #1
Shameful sloppy reporting. Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #22
Her gender plays a part in total votes Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #2
If Hillary were a man, KMOD Sep 2016 #4
maybe... but he did beat many Republican men in the primary. It could be she's the perfect opponent Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #5
Any potential blowback hasn't seemed to stop Rump from chucking KMOD Sep 2016 #16
I agree. Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #10
No (nt) bigwillq Sep 2016 #3
I do, but it's complicated. Overall, I think she is held to a different standard. Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #6
She's held to an impossibly high, sexist double standard meow2u3 Sep 2016 #12
yeah, but a lot of it has to do with the Clinton WH years and how the right went bonkers over them Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #14
I definitely do. Why do some say she's not qualified? DawgHouse Sep 2016 #7
Or those who say she doesn't "look" or "sound" Presidential. KMOD Sep 2016 #17
Exactly. DawgHouse Sep 2016 #33
I think that gender bias is so ingrained in America that it can't help but affect behavior Caliman73 Sep 2016 #8
I've seen perfectly reasonable snarl or shake their heads when they see her- bettyellen Sep 2016 #13
it's really sad how tainted she has become, and really disappointing how the hard left has bought Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #15
It sticks in my craw that two men could get away with such a lack of transparency, hiding their bettyellen Sep 2016 #19
+1,000,000 KMOD Sep 2016 #24
I think they got away with "rewriting the rules" because it wasn't another man calling them on it... bettyellen Sep 2016 #26
seems if we don't keep reminding the media 24/7, then they will forget about everything Trump has Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #30
exactly. KMOD Sep 2016 #18
It's surely a part of it. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2016 #9
Of course it does. **IT ALWAYS HAS!!** baldguy Sep 2016 #11
Why do people act like this is a surprise? Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #20
Suprised that sexism plays a role? KMOD Sep 2016 #21
It's not sexism. It's a candidate who is not good at campaigns. Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #23
If that was the case, KMOD Sep 2016 #25
I don't really give a great deal of thought over what you were asking for... Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #28
It's not a difficult question Joe. KMOD Sep 2016 #29
I answered it in your poll, and I answered it with my comment Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #31
You've been plenty clear. KMOD Sep 2016 #32
You think getting almost twice the primary's Dem voters isn't "good"? LOL! bettyellen Sep 2016 #27

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
22. Shameful sloppy reporting.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:30 PM
Sep 2016

What they are really saying is - they are putting their thumb on the scale and working for a Trump election in November.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
2. Her gender plays a part in total votes
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:10 PM
Sep 2016

without question, to the number who are voting for her just because she's a woman, and the much larger number who are voting against her because she is a "she"!

Despite that, the ignoramus she's running against has offended millions more with his mocking ofdisabled people, POWs, Mexicans, etc.

I still say he'll get 44% nationally. He doesn't deserve 4 votes. Many vote just on party lines, so the battle is for that middle group who aren't truly attached to a party. I safely believe he's offended enough smart people and the groups above, to secure he won't get around 50%, which is what he'll need to possibly secure the EVs.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
5. maybe... but he did beat many Republican men in the primary. It could be she's the perfect opponent
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:43 PM
Sep 2016

because there is so much potential blowback in attacks on her, as just seen today on remarks about her looks.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
16. Any potential blowback hasn't seemed to stop Rump from chucking
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:41 PM
Sep 2016

sexist comments out there. And it hasn't seemed to stop some from celebrating those comments either.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
10. I agree.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 06:03 PM
Sep 2016

Drumf won his nomination, sure, but they're made of bigots in their party and not everyone who votes in general elections vote in the primaries. I would say a guy would be up 4% more over Drumf. My most likely to vote Drumf sibling, despite being Dem like us all, is somewhat anti female in my opinion and will either not vote this time or unhappily for one or the other.

meow2u3

(24,773 posts)
12. She's held to an impossibly high, sexist double standard
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 06:59 PM
Sep 2016

No matter what she does, the media picks her apart.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
14. yeah, but a lot of it has to do with the Clinton WH years and how the right went bonkers over them
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:34 PM
Sep 2016

that's a good part of it, that is also very entangled with sexism.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
7. I definitely do. Why do some say she's not qualified?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:48 PM
Sep 2016

Women have to bring twice the education and experience to be considered half as good as a man. JMHO

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
17. Or those who say she doesn't "look" or "sound" Presidential.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

Just like President Obama said, she's probably the most qualified to run, ever.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
8. I think that gender bias is so ingrained in America that it can't help but affect behavior
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

I don't think that most people sit down and say, "Hillary is a woman, therefore (something negative)", but gender bias is a real thing and I think that it can certainly have an at least subtle effect on perceptions of a candidate. The perception of Hillary as an "ambitious person who will do anything to get elected" is steeped in sexism. Where men who are ambitious are seen as properly expressing masculinity, women who are ambitious are seen as lacking something or in some way being "unnatural". There is, in my opinion, a vicious cycle with regards to Hillary. Every move is scrutinized so she is careful and standoffish with the media, they characterize her as hiding something (which she is, for the sake of her humanity I am sure), then she pulls back, and the media claims she is hiding something.... rinse/repeat.

Likewise, Hillary is blamed for what Bill did or didn't do, which is not usually the treatment that the husband of a powerful woman politician has to deal with.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. I've seen perfectly reasonable snarl or shake their heads when they see her-
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:15 PM
Sep 2016

But Trump they laugh. It's not like they have any real answers but they all say she is a
Liar and cite Sanders to back them up. Very uninformed people who have no idea what her career has been. I just ask them to please read the sourcing of the crap they believe. But honestly they mostly just have vague hatred. That's the tell I think.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
15. it's really sad how tainted she has become, and really disappointing how the hard left has bought
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:36 PM
Sep 2016

into the RW narrative about her.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. It sticks in my craw that two men could get away with such a lack of transparency, hiding their
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:54 PM
Sep 2016

Tax returns and then get away with pointing their fingers at Clinton that SHE is hiding something? When they both were hiding shit? The way they both tried to deligitimize the process - mid race-
But only the when it wasn't serving them?
What a crock of shit.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. I think they got away with "rewriting the rules" because it wasn't another man calling them on it...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:46 PM
Sep 2016

Disgusting the excuses people make for that shit.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
30. seems if we don't keep reminding the media 24/7, then they will forget about everything Trump has
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:37 PM
Sep 2016

done. My biggest fear for the next 2 months is Trump will act semi-sane and semi-reasonable, the media will forget about all his shit, and meanwhile the will harp on Hillary, driving her support down.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
9. It's surely a part of it.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:55 PM
Sep 2016

Otherwise polling numbers would be different.

It's not that simple for many people, but it must play a role given the demographic polling.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
20. Why do people act like this is a surprise?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:16 PM
Sep 2016

Hillary's cons as a candidate are:

She's not a good campaigner
People (not du) but people in general do not find her exciting or likeable
She has historically had a low polling ceiling
She has historically always fallen in polls the longer a race has gone on


Nobody should be acting surprised at this point. We knew what she was when we picked her. The hope is she holds on, wins, and Governs well.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
21. Suprised that sexism plays a role?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:25 PM
Sep 2016

I'm not.

Surprised that some DUers don't believe that it does?

Yes, that is surprising.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
23. It's not sexism. It's a candidate who is not good at campaigns.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:31 PM
Sep 2016

She is exactly what we thought she was. Seriously, don't look for bogeyman when the answer is right in front of your face.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
25. If that was the case,
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:38 PM
Sep 2016

how on earth did she nearly win the primary in 2008, and then dominate it in 2016? She must be doing something right as far as campaigning.

Again, the question was do you believe that sexism plays a part in her polling regarding honesty and trust.

I wasn't asking for your opinion on her campaigning style.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
28. I don't really give a great deal of thought over what you were asking for...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:17 PM
Sep 2016

...or not asking for. My comment is pertinent to your question. You're trying to blame bogeyman for Hillary being historically bad at campaigning.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
29. It's not a difficult question Joe.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:27 PM
Sep 2016

You either believe it plays a part, or you don't.

But since you don't care to give it much thought, you have already answered it.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
31. I answered it in your poll, and I answered it with my comment
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:42 PM
Sep 2016

I answered it AGAIN in my last comment:

'No, I believe Hillary's poor polling against an inferior candidate is due to her equally poor campaigning and unlikeability, and not a sexist bogeyman.'

Is that clear enough?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. You think getting almost twice the primary's Dem voters isn't "good"? LOL!
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:50 PM
Sep 2016

That's a pretty bizarre and special standard you got there! I'm guessing down is up too?

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