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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:08 AM

RBInMaine (13,570 posts)

 

As long as they play the follow-up right, Hillary's "deplorables" comment was BRILLIANT.

* The "deplorables" comment fits right into the narrative she laid out in her Reno speech a few weeks ago that Trump has on his team people from the alt right and many supporters who are leaders in the alt right.

* It asks moderates, "Do you really want to be lumped in with these hate mongers? Do you really want to be part of Trump's base that thinks like this?"

* It brings the issues of hate, racism, xenophobia, and misogyny in America and in the Trump campaign front and center.

* It puts Trump and his deplorables on the defensive. They will just amplify their hate proving her very point.

* It makes her look strong and principled to Democrats, Progressives, and anyone else put off by Trump's hate and his hate-filled base.
It plays VERY WELL with the base. She had the guts to GO THERE and CALL THEM OUT!

* She was careful to limit her comments only to a segment of his base. These slimebags would never vote for her anyhow.

****** The one thing she and her team MUST do is stick this comment to the narrative that TRUMP PLAYS TO THIS KIND OF HATE just as she did with the Reno speech. IT IS AN EXTENSION OF HER NARRATIVE IN THAT SPEECH.********

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Reply As long as they play the follow-up right, Hillary's "deplorables" comment was BRILLIANT. (Original post)
 RBInMaine Sep 2016 OP
LineReply Totally agree. She needs to stand her ground.
 MirrorAshes Sep 2016 #1
LineLineReply Absolutely. Bring up David Duke and Brietbart and all the rest and MAKE HIM OWN IT.
 RBInMaine Sep 2016 #5
LineLineLineNew Reply This ^
 world wide wally Sep 2016 #33
LineLineLineLineNew Reply It's incendiary enough to be talked about for some while,
 Hortensis Sep 2016 #37
LineReply T-rump's racists, etc. are already proving her point.
 Iliyah Sep 2016 #2
LineReply Expose ths hypocrisy of the anti-"safe space"/not PC crowd now with this
 smorkingapple Sep 2016 #3
LineReply It seems pretty accurate to me... even generous
 C_U_L8R Sep 2016 #4
LineReply Just reading this story. I think it could sure to divide them
 underpants Sep 2016 #6
LineLineReply Yup. She and her people just need to stand by it and pin hate mongering to Trump as she did in Reno.
 RBInMaine Sep 2016 #7
LineLineLineReply Comment I saw elsewhere - the message is to the middle/undecideds
 underpants Sep 2016 #8
LineReply The poll amoung dipshit supporters
 duncang Sep 2016 #9
LineLineNew Reply The poll I saw said 59% of Trump supporters believe Obama wasn't born in the US.
 SunSeeker Sep 2016 #29
LineReply I was concerned last night (I know), but
 SaschaHM Sep 2016 #10
LineLineReply and if they don't then she should make an ad out of it.
 Ligyron Sep 2016 #11
LineReply I loved her deplorable statement, it fits them perfectly
 Stellar Sep 2016 #12
LineReply She may have been a little politically incorrect
 Kber Sep 2016 #13
LineReply Good for her. It's not as if she'll lose any votes. Who would want racist drunken thugs in your
 Laser102 Sep 2016 #14
LineReply Agreed
 Uponthegears Sep 2016 #15
LineReply Agreed. They need to stick to both aspects of what she said.
 nolabear Sep 2016 #16
LineReply Agree with you, absolutely.
 Paladin Sep 2016 #17
LineReply If I might add, there should be mention of Clinton's appeal to the non-deplorables voting for
 Fred Sanders Sep 2016 #18
LineReply All true except the media will spin it negatively
 book_worm Sep 2016 #19
LineReply And its a great way to get some exposure in the M$M!
 ooky Sep 2016 #20
LineReply I think that this will help her in the long term
 DemonGoddess Sep 2016 #21
LineReply You do realize that he
 humbled_opinion Sep 2016 #22
LineLineReply its not surprising to me
 drray23 Sep 2016 #24
LineLineLineNew Reply Latest polls giving him
 humbled_opinion Sep 2016 #28
LineLineLineLineNew Reply what poll?
 JustinL Sep 2016 #36
LineLineReply There are MORE than 20 million racist homophobic slimebags. Your estimate is low, and
 RBInMaine Sep 2016 #26
LineReply Trump's Nazi supporters are now into Pokeman Go - to attract the children
 keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #23
LineReply Deplorables Links
 Yallow Sep 2016 #25
LineReply Majority of us know family/friend who is trump supporter
 kcjohn1 Sep 2016 #27
LineLineNew Reply Look at the other half of her statement
 qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #30
LineLineNew Reply if you read the full statement
 drray23 Sep 2016 #31
LineLineNew Reply The family members I know who support Trump are in fact racist.
 SunSeeker Sep 2016 #32
LineNew Reply It's obviously deliberate strategy. Fits with alt right attack. Word choice too deliberate.
 Mayberry Machiavelli Sep 2016 #34
LineNew Reply What's amazing is
 GWC58 Sep 2016 #35

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:12 AM

MirrorAshes (1,262 posts)

1. Totally agree. She needs to stand her ground.

And every time they whine about it, point out all the white supremacists who have publicly supported Trump. Make him OWN his base.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:19 AM

RBInMaine (13,570 posts)

5. Absolutely. Bring up David Duke and Brietbart and all the rest and MAKE HIM OWN IT.

 

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:37 PM

Star Member world wide wally (21,350 posts)

33. This ^

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 01:06 PM

Star Member Hortensis (55,739 posts)

37. It's incendiary enough to be talked about for some while,

hopefully long enough for some to start thinking about what group they're in. Right now, of course, the right and most of the media are only reporting the "deplorables" part, and it'll take a bit for her message about the rest, that there IS a rest, to diffuse.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:14 AM

Iliyah (25,111 posts)

2. T-rump's racists, etc. are already proving her point.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:15 AM

smorkingapple (827 posts)

3. Expose ths hypocrisy of the anti-"safe space"/not PC crowd now with this

She seriously should run with this angle. Use the poll numbers. Make ads with the videos. Tie Republicans to this crowd, something I think is a huge mistake

Call them crybabies, whiners, etc.

Shame them into submission.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:17 AM

Star Member C_U_L8R (43,568 posts)

4. It seems pretty accurate to me... even generous

Racist, Bigoted, Homophobic, White Supremacist, Misogynistic,
Gun Toting, Fear Mongering, Conspiracy Theory Believing,
Evolution and Global Warming Denying Knuckleheads.
Clearly we see them all for what they are... and even if we don't,
you can be sure they will tell us with their small-minded hate spittle.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:38 AM

Star Member underpants (175,437 posts)

6. Just reading this story. I think it could sure to divide them

or at least make one half realize the lot they've cast themselves in with.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:44 AM

RBInMaine (13,570 posts)

7. Yup. She and her people just need to stand by it and pin hate mongering to Trump as she did in Reno.

 

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:47 AM

Star Member underpants (175,437 posts)

8. Comment I saw elsewhere - the message is to the middle/undecideds

Well it was at a fund raiser.

I say keep on this message. Maybe not her or Kaine, unless asked, but through surrogates. Focus on that part of Trump's message and it will scare the hell out of anyone still sitting on the fence. My 2 cents.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 09:55 AM

duncang (1,907 posts)

9. The poll amoung dipshit supporters

Showing 62% of them think President Obama is muslim. With only 9% thinking he is christian is telling about his supporters.

Then the poll of his supporters are at 52% believing he wasn't born in the U.S.A. and 26% believe he was born here.

That pretty much makes the case for what she said. But having said that she will have media go after her with out checking or bringing up the polls on his voters. Hopefully the campaign can get those numbers out to the public. I'm hoping it will help the media feeding frenzy which has started.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:57 AM

Star Member SunSeeker (49,140 posts)

29. The poll I saw said 59% of Trump supporters believe Obama wasn't born in the US.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/poll-two-thirds-trump-supporters-think-obama-muslim

In other words, 59% of Trump supporters are racist birthers. Yup, pretty much makes her case alright.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:03 AM

SaschaHM (2,897 posts)

10. I was concerned last night (I know), but

this seems to be deliberate, she says it in an interview, and it's provoking discussions on the nature of some Trump supporters. If the media needed a reason to play all the videos of them being terrible racists, they now have it.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:18 AM

Star Member Ligyron (7,039 posts)

11. and if they don't then she should make an ad out of it.

Heck, she should do so anyway come to think of it.

I think (hope) a significant number of those who would vote for trump are just moderate but misguided folks brainwashed into being afraid of anything with a "D" attached to it.

Hopefully enough of them can be persuaded into not voting for the Tangerine Caligula to put this election safely away and out of the hands of our corporate overlords.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:23 AM

Stellar (5,644 posts)

12. I loved her deplorable statement, it fits them perfectly

"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said on Friday that half the supporters of her Republican rival Donald Trump belonged in a “basket of deplorables” of people who were racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, or Islamophobic."


She needs to do many Ads on just that alone. Especially since Donald did his so-called speech to the Black and Hispanic community to make it appear that he was not any of those things. If they don't want to be considered in that category...this should be their wake-up call.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:37 AM

Kber (5,043 posts)

13. She may have been a little politically incorrect

But she was factually correct.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:41 AM

Laser102 (816 posts)

14. Good for her. It's not as if she'll lose any votes. Who would want racist drunken thugs in your

corner? Aside from that large racist tick. Don't back down Hillary. You said what we have been saying for a long time. Cockroaches are afraid of light. Keep his supporters in the light. Show them for what they are. Maybe they will crawl back to their caves.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:42 AM

Uponthegears (1,499 posts)

15. Agreed

 

In fact, she needs to double down with an ad incorporating the NYT unfiltered video of Trump supporters screaming violent racist crapola, attacking journalists at rallies, and shots of Dixified stars and.bars-ers pickups with Trump stickers and ending with white letters on black background, with the words "you are known by the company you keep."

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:47 AM

Star Member nolabear (40,964 posts)

16. Agreed. They need to stick to both aspects of what she said.

There are genuine "deplorables" and there are frightened, struggling people who are looking for a savior, misguided as it might be. Separating the two out and continuing to hammer that point home is key. She'll never get any support from the former but some people will want to identify (and do) with the latter and might feel somewhat seen.

My only worry would be the loss of people who are frightened by her "non-PC" tone. Of course the surrogates could use that too. "Oh NOW you're interested in a candidate being PC?"

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:48 AM

Star Member Paladin (26,601 posts)

17. Agree with you, absolutely.

I'm sick to death of the blatant double standard which has been imposed on Hillary from the beginning. Trump says worse things than her "deplorables" comment every single day---and he gets away with it. Enough.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:54 AM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

18. If I might add, there should be mention of Clinton's appeal to the non-deplorables voting for

Don the Con and puts pressure on Republican Party leadership scurrying for the hills to avoid comment on their nominee.

Brilliant full comment by Clinton and not just the headline.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:57 AM

book_worm (15,951 posts)

19. All true except the media will spin it negatively

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 10:59 AM

ooky (7,986 posts)

20. And its a great way to get some exposure in the M$M!

Instead of all Donald Trump hype for a change. This is the stuff the M$M loves.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:00 AM

DemonGoddess (4,640 posts)

21. I think that this will help her in the long term

shows her as tough, no nonsense, and calling it like it is.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:18 AM

humbled_opinion (4,423 posts)

22. You do realize that he

is polling with about the same support as she is, roughly, so half meaning about 20 million Americans fit into her narrative? I don't think so, sure their are racists but not to the extreme that she is painting it, in fact they will argue racism in both sides of the aisle so to me this is not a smart move. Insult the candidate that is one thing, insult broad swaths of Americans, not good.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:28 AM

Star Member drray23 (7,000 posts)

24. its not surprising to me

I can easily believe we have 20 million racists voters. We never made the post racial transition in the 60's. It is still there wrapped in a shroud of political correctness.

It became unpolite and unwise to be openly racist. Thus, republicans switched to dog wistle tactics to appeal to that segment of society.

What Trump has done is lift that veil. Bigots are now coming out in the open emboldened by Trump. Heck they even have a front row seat in his campaign.

What we hear uttered every day now by Trump or some surrogates would have been carreer ending a couple years ago. Instead it is now being part of the new conversation..

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:54 AM

humbled_opinion (4,423 posts)

28. Latest polls giving him

17 percent of African American vote, racist?

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 01:01 PM

JustinL (722 posts)

36. what poll?

If you're referring to the latest CNN poll, that was 17% of all non-white voters, not just African-Americans. Also:

1) That poll was an outlier.
2) African-American Trump supporters could fit into the second basket mentioned by Clinton.
3) There are African-American racists, like Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:34 AM

RBInMaine (13,570 posts)

26. There are MORE than 20 million racist homophobic slimebags. Your estimate is low, and

 

that bunch of slime would never vote for her anyway. It was a gutsy and GOOD move. Don't be jelly spined.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:26 AM

keithbvadu2 (31,010 posts)

23. Trump's Nazi supporters are now into Pokeman Go - to attract the children

Trump's Nazi supporters are now into Pokeman Go

http://www.dailystormer.com/pokemon-go-nazi-challenge/

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:28 AM

Yallow (1,926 posts)

25. Deplorables Links

 

More Deploarable OP's - Time To Go To Work - Please Add Your 2 Cents Worth

Hillary Not Telling The Truth - Those Racist Homophobic Rat Brains Are America - Trump Deplorables
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512407522#post3

Without Deplorables - Trump Is Nothing - They Existed Before Him
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512407558#post3

I Have An Idea - Maybe We Could Take Mississippi And Alabama.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512407579#post1

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 11:46 AM

kcjohn1 (751 posts)

27. Majority of us know family/friend who is trump supporter

Impossible not to given he has core 40% support. If I'm undecided, how does calling my family or friend deplorables going to convince me to vote for Clinton.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:03 PM

Star Member qwlauren35 (5,498 posts)

30. Look at the other half of her statement

And make sure others do to. She says that HALF of Trump's supporters are deplorable. And if the people you know fit her description, you're not going to flip them. But if they are NOT bigots, then you can point to her description of the other half, those who want change. And you can work on them.

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here ... but that other basket are people who feel that the government has left them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures -- they're just desperate for change. ... Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:04 PM

Star Member drray23 (7,000 posts)

31. if you read the full statement

You will see Hillary made the distinction between the racist Trump supporters and the other basket with people who are voting for him because they think he will help their situation etc...
Hopefully your friends fall in the second category.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:05 PM

Star Member SunSeeker (49,140 posts)

32. The family members I know who support Trump are in fact racist.

59% of Trump supporters are racist birthers. http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/poll-two-thirds-trump-supporters-think-obama-muslim

What Hillary said is accurate. It is time to call them out for what they are, even if they are your family members. It is time to stop normalizing racism, sexism and homophobia. It should be shameful to be a Trump supporter. Supporting Trump means you support racism. It will make undecideds think twice before being lumped in with that lot.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:41 PM

Mayberry Machiavelli (21,096 posts)

34. It's obviously deliberate strategy. Fits with alt right attack. Word choice too deliberate.

Probably provokes the deplorable into doing and saying even more deplorable things, proving the point even harder.

I think it's a good idea and hope it works.

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Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:43 PM

GWC58 (2,678 posts)

35. What's amazing is

the people Hillary called "deplorable" are the same ones that got huffy being called "racists." They'd say "how dare you calling me a racist!"

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