Humidity was/is 39% in NYC today.

[Joe the Revelator]

Lets not be fools, ok? That is LOW humidity. 79 degrees with low humidity.

[OKNancy]

1. No, you are looking at last week

Temp 82, Humidity, 72%

[narnian60]

2. Add a long-sleeved suit to that,

and it's miserable.

[Demsrule86]

76. My guess is she was dehydrated.

She needs to make sure she drinks...It happened to me not long ago in the car. I had to pull over quickly. Luckily I always carry water.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. I am looking at today. Currently 31% humidity.

Enough that there is a 'wind chill' instead of a heat index

https://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:10001.5.99999

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Look at the surface map

A cold front came through later this morning and started scouring out the humidity and dropping dew points.

[susanna]

8. I used your link.

If you click on Customize and click the checkbox "humidity" to the 10-day chart lower on the page, you can easily see that around 8:30am, the humidity was 75% and it has dropped precipitously over the last few hours to about 39% or so now.

This happened to us in Detroit a couple of days ago. I couldn't breathe (asthma) the humidity was so bad, now we're cool and lovely outside. A cold front came through quickly overnight on Friday and dropped our humidity way down.

Weather happens.

[OKNancy]

20. one more time....

http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html

79/ 79% humidity at her location

[Historic NY]

111. I'm 60 mile north and it was hot it began cooling around 1030.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KJRB/2016/09/11/DailyHistory.html

My niece came in from a flight at 1230 from Philly sick as a dog from the turbulence.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

50. A cold front swept thru the northeast two hours ago.

[Me.]

57. It Has Dropped

Take it from me it was very humid this morning and my husband's opinion was that it was horrible.

[mcar]

15. And she was wearing a Kevlar vest, I read

[7worldtrade]

35. 80% humidity in NYC this morning

It went down later. Here's the proof.



http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html

[democrattotheend]

114. Last night it was really humid on Long Island

And my 30-something boyfriend in very good health was feeling heat exhaustion. It is usually worse in the city because the tall buildings trap the heat.

Right now it is perfect weather on Long Island - as nice as it was this day 15 years ago when we were attacked. But I think it was hotter this morning, because I woke up and kicked the blanket off at some point.

[we can do it]

3. Nope- 82 Degrees, Humidity, 72% add dark colored suit and emotional event...FFS

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Um no

The cold front is only now passing through. It was disgusting this morning.

[TCJ70]

6. I don't know what weather people are looking at...

...but I see 79 and 41%.

[Loki Liesmith]

52. projected average humidity

Not instantaneous.

Issue solved.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

9. When are you going to admit you were wrong about the temp/humidity?

You seem very invested in making this something other than a heat related incident. Yes, I'm questioning your motivation here and on other threads discussing this subject.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

38. I agree

I'm honestly about to leave this site for the day because of all the excessive negativity over this.

Clinton was there for an hour and a half. The humidity was over 70% for most of the time she was there. This could have happened to ANYONE. It's stupid to get all worked up over it. Heat exhaustion is pretty common and she just needed to get cooled off.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

41. Welcome to DU. I read your posts on another thread and was glad that you,

as an Independent, spoke up.

Sometimes you just have to walk away from the BS some are wont to post here; you start to recognize the names. It's always good to refute the nonsense before taking that break.

[lunamagica]

51. Welcome to DU!

[uppityperson]

107. Welcome to DU. The OP can't post now, until or if admin unlocks his account as he's FFR

Flagged for review means they got too many hides too fast and they can't post.

[BumRushDaShow]

110. Oh thank goodness.

He was going on a kamikaze run here this morning.

[Hekate]

116. It's for his own good to take away the kamikaze plane for awhile

[NutmegYankee]

10. BULLSHIT

This morning when the ceremony was taking place, the dew point logged by the National Weather Service in Central Park was 72. That is considered "Very humid, quite uncomfortable". As anyone knows, the temperature is even higher in the buildings and concrete versus a thermometer in a vented white box surrounded by grass.

After the ceremony a front swept through, bringing in cooler drier air.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

12. Exactly! And when standing in a crowd it's made worse, no air movement and

even more heat generated by the mass of bodies.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Source? As of 11am the RH was 39%

It's not 31% This incident happened around 10am.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

22. She was long gone by then ... Try looking at the numbers 8-9:30am.

[NutmegYankee]

25. Here's Central Parks temps - A NWS station

http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html

Kennedy:
http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KJFK.html

La Gaurdia:
http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KLGA.html

Teterboro:
http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KTEB.html

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Humidty was between 40-60 according to that datum.

Which is well within a comfortable zone, especially given that temps were in the high 70's to low 80's. This wasn't a swamp.

[NutmegYankee]

37. You don't understand relative humidity then.

If you knew anything about weather, you'd compare dew points.

http://www.weatherworksinc.com/humidity-vs-dewpoint
This summer has had many days of hot and sticky weather. You may have checked on the humidity, only to find it was at a meager 50%. How could the humidity be so low, when it feels so high? The answer: dewpoint!

Dewpoint is the temperature at which water vapor in the air condenses into liquid water, such as in the form of dew, fog, or possibly rain. The dewpoint is always lower or equal to the air temperature, hence why dew or fog often occurs during the early morning hours, when the air temperatures are typically lowest and the dewpoint highest.

On the other hand, the relative humidity is the ratio between the current amount of water vapor in the air at a given temperature to the maximum amount of water vapor possible in the air at that temperature. The relative humidity is not an exact ratio between the current air temperature and dewpoint!

For example, a 95°F day may only have a relative humidity of 45%, but it still feels incredibly hot and humid. Instead of checking the humidity on such days, one should focus on the dewpoint and the resulting heat index to determine how sticky it will feel outside. The heat index utilizes temperature and dewpoint (or relative humidity) to determine how hot the body perceives the environment. Because the body cools down through the evaporation of sweat, moist air will not allow evaporation as readily as dry air. So, in turn, the body will feel hotter on days with higher dewpoint values. In general, a dewpoint of 60 - 63°F begins to “feel” more humid, and a dewpoint of 70°F or higher becomes rather oppressive on a summer day.
A heat index chart based on dewpoint and air temperature courtesy of NWS El Paso.


In the summer months, we have many days reach an air temperature of 90° with a dewpoint around 70°. This only yields a relative humidity of 52%. However, using a heat index calculator, these conditions “feel” like 96°F! So next time you plan to be outdoors on a “hot and humid” day, check the dewpoint and heat index rather than the relative humidity to get a sense of how hot it will feel. As always, remember to try to stay in cooler, shaded areas, as well as hydrated. Your body will surely thank you!

Also, she was at the site since 8AM.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

40. At the time this happened humidity was at 79% and dewpoint 72.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/8-things-didnt-know-humidity/

[LiberalFighter]

101. Some people just don't consider that factors that may be involved.

I know I have issues in crowds standing for too long and there isn't enough air circulation. I then need to do any combination of drinking water, water on the wrists and/or back of the neck, sitting down, moving around, and other. The degree also depends on the type of clothing I am wearing. Loose versus constraining.

[KMOD]

11. what a deplorable post.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. Its a factual post. Facts are not deplorable.

[KMOD]

17. Not factual at all.

Your facts are wrong, and that has been pointed out to you repeatedly in this thread.

[susanna]

23. Yet the fact that it was actually 75 - 77% humidity earlier this morning -

this based on easily available data - seems be something you are having a hard time acknowledging.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. HERE are the facts

These are the reported Temp/Dewpoints in NYC during the initial parts of the ceremony from the NWS -http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=RWR&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

(you can go back to the earlier versions to get the earlier temps like shown below)

Now please go away.

000
ASUS41 KOKX 111304
RWROKX

REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
900 AM EDT SUN SEP 11 2016

NOTE: "FAIR" INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO
SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.

NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-111400-
NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
Central Park CLOUDY 79 72 79 VRB5 29.93R
LaGuardia APRT CLOUDY 82 72 71 W14 29.89R
Kennedy INTL PTSUNNY 80 73 79 SW14 29.91R
Newark/Liberty CLOUDY 79 73 82 W14 29.90R
Bronx Bot Gard N/A 79 70 73 W12 29.91R
Wall St Helipt CLOUDY 79 73 83 W9G17 29.91R
Teterboro CLOUDY 80 71 74 W8 29.89R
$$

-----

000
ASUS41 KOKX 111404
RWROKX

REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
1000 AM EDT SUN SEP 11 2016

NOTE: "FAIR" INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO
SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.

NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-111500-
NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
Central Park CLOUDY 79 61 53 NW9G28 29.96R
LaGuardia APRT CLOUDY 80 67 64 NW16G32 29.91R
Kennedy INTL CLOUDY 83 72 69 W12 29.92R
Newark/Liberty PTSUNNY 82 62 50 NW20G26 29.93R
Bronx Bot Gard N/A 77 63 61 NW16 29.93S
Wall St Helipt CLOUDY 81 68 65 E5 29.94R
Teterboro MOSUNNY 80 59 48 NW17G24 29.93R
$$

---

000
ASUS41 KOKX 111504
RWROKX

REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
1100 AM EDT SUN SEP 11 2016

NOTE: "FAIR" INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO
SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.

NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-111600-
NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS
Central Park MOSUNNY 79 55 43 VRB6G25 29.99R
LaGuardia APRT PTSUNNY 80 58 46 NW18G28 29.95R
Kennedy INTL PTSUNNY 85 60 42 NW22G30 29.95R
Newark/Liberty PTSUNNY 83 54 36 NW21G28 29.97R
Bronx Bot Gard N/A 77 55 47 NW2 29.99R
Wall St Helipt MOSUNNY 82 57 42 NW3 29.97R
Teterboro PTSUNNY 80 53 39 NW17G23 29.96R

[Joe the Revelator]

26. This incident happened around 10am

At 11am RH was 39%. That is not some extreme weather.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. She had been sitting out there since 7 am

Did you even bother looking up the schedule for the program? Remember, the "first plane" hit at 8:45 am, so everyone is already in place hours before that point.

Geez.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Ok, so she sat around with weather in the 70's and humidity in the 60's. Were people fainting all

around her? That is very reasonable weather.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. You were wrong and refuse to admit it

It is NOT "reasonable weather" when you are in air-conditioning all day. How idiotic a post.

News flash. There was a heatwave along the I-95 corridor the past week that is breaking today and since NYC is the largest city in this country, it is a massive furnace during and just after heatwaves due to the density of the buildings.

[Joe the Revelator]

59. I live in the I-95 corridor. There is no heat advisory here or in NYC...

Heat Indexes are well within normal range. This was not weather related. Watch the video, they drag her into the van while she is out on her feet. That is not normal.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. I watched the video

and the fact that she had been sitting out there in the crowd all morning is probably why (dehydrated among other things) and "heat indexes" were not within any "normal range" earlier this morning. Other posters have explained it to you since there seems to be a difficulty understanding what a dewpoint is.

[Joe the Revelator]

68. The dewpoint coupled with relatively low temps and moderate RH would not make a normal healthy

person faint. If it would, people would have been dropping all over today. And most fall mornings.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. You still don't get it

and now because of the idiotic statement about "people would have been dropping all over today" as if in a city of 8,000,000, that no on else there was impacted by days of heat and humidity. Just. Because you said so.

Give it up.

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Serious answer.

Give it up. You were shown by multiple posters that you were wrong.

[Joe the Revelator]

84. So you're not going to answer. Got it. We'll just pretend that its a-ok

that our candidate had to be taken to her car completely passed out. No sense living in the real world here.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. You were proven wrong.

It's difficult to handle. Maybe take a break and walk away from the keyboard for a bit.

[Joe the Revelator]

91. You are completely dodging.

Keep up the good work.

[michaz]

85. Are you saying because no one else was overheated that she should not be?

What is your point? Do you think that everyone reacts to heat, humidity etc. should act the same? Until we hear differently then I am understanding this to be just what Hillary said it was. Why come here and keep this up to this extent? It just makes no sense.

[Joe the Revelator]

90. I'm saying that there was no extreme heat in NYC today. nt

[LiberalFighter]

103. There doesn't have to be extreme heat for the result.

[Joe the Revelator]

104. How many other folks had to be carried to their vehicles today in NYC

Due to the extreme heat.

[LiberalFighter]

105. Are you that closed-minded to factors that will create the situation?

[MyNameGoesHere]

47. How many of those around her

Is on a grueling campaign for president schedule? You're transparent now as you were months ago. Delete your account.

[Loki Liesmith]

55. You got owned son

best just to admit it.

[LiberalFighter]

102. It is not reasonable for everyone.

And not everyone is wearing the same type of clothing.

[Hekate]

117. There may be a kevlar vest as well. Bet those are heat traps.

[MohRokTah]

61. Actually, no, your post was NOT factual. eom

[Andy823]

14. Just one of many

Seems like a lot of the "concerned" crowd has decided to make this into something bigger than it is. They come out of the woodwork every time they see a chance to try and make things look bad.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Come on friend, did you see the video? This is a bad news story.

[Andy823]

33. Unlike you

I will wait to see just what happened instead jumping to conclusions. Seems like a lot of "concerned" posters are jumping in to help push the "doom and gloom" scenario. Wonder why that is?

[KMOD]

21. Yup.

and it's quite obvious.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. I was actually surprised at the sheer number

of concern trolls that just got unleashed this morning and alot of single-post trolls. I was already on 3 juries this morning. Pretty breathtaking.

[Avalux]

19. 79 degrees at 9 am in downtown Manhattan is hot (no matter humidity), especially wearing a suit.

The air doesn't move there, it was a big crowd, and she had been standing for well over an hour. I've been reading that others had to leave because they were too hot. Hillary was probably wearing kevlar under that suit too.

Let's not be fools and play into the hands of the enemy.

[piechartking]

29. I just hope we are all sitting around on November 9 laughing at this

"Humidity" post, while HRC is President-elect.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Need to bookmark it.

[Starry Messenger]

34. We aren't the fools.

[book_worm]

39. What is your point with this?

[writes3000]

42. Ugh, time for a permanent block. Facts are fine without the agenda.

[book_worm]

43. Yes, I've been wondering what the point of the post is?

Is this person trying to prove that Hillary couldn't have been overcome by heat and it has to be something else.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

44. Enough!

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[Squinch]

45. No way it was 39% this morning. I had trouble breathing in NYC, the humidity was so high.

Not sure where the 39% is coming from but there is no way that is accurate. It was brutal.

[csziggy]

46. Not according to the National Weather Service

At 8:51 in Central Park the temperature was 79 F, dewpoint 72 F, and humidity was 79% with a heat index of 82 F. In a paved plaza in a crowd of people in the full sun the actual temperature would have been higher, IMO.
Statistics source: http://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html

[mythology]

48. Why did you use the plural "fools"?

I only see one person making foolish and inaccurate claims in this thread.

[lunamagica]

49. You are loving this, aren't you?

[Loki Liesmith]

53. Let me give you this chance to correct your post

The instantaneous humidity was at least 70%. You are looking at a projected average.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. Aww. She's still our nominee. Sorry you're still hurting.

[MFM008]

56. OP

You keep pushing this.
Don't we have enough to deal with from the maggots supporters?
I'm sure she will deal with this and soon.

[Hekate]

58. My husband grew up in NYC; he remembers the heat+humidity well. HRC got into some AC...

...had a big drink of ice water, put her feet up for a moment, and was back to 100% of her usual.

She didn't puke into the Japanse Emperor's lap.

[Joe the Revelator]

60. No she was completely out on her feet. Watch the video

They drag her in via her toes. That is not normal.

[Hekate]

62. How sad for you.

[Joe the Revelator]

65. What does that even mean? This is the real world...

...stuff happens. React to it, don't hide from it.

[KittyWampus]

69. You seem to be hiding from the fact your OP is proven wrong.

[Joe the Revelator]

70. Proven wrong? Not at all. At 11am the RH was 39%

Earlier in the day was it higher? Possibly. Hillary had her episode at 10am. Humidity does not just drop. Regardless, there was no heat advisory this morning, temps were in the mid-high 70's. Healthy people do not fall out due to that type of weather. This wasn't an extreme July day in Florida.

[KittyWampus]

73. Yes, MULTIPLE DU'ers have told you repeatedly this occured earlier than 11am.

And thank goodness your other POS thread got removed.

[Joe the Revelator]

75. It could have happened earlier when the actual temp was lower....

....and the humidity was still not extreme enough to warrant falling out. What part of that don't YOU understand?

[Justice]

112. You keep peddling false info - why?

Very bizarre- numerous people have corrected you with independent info on time and humidity yet you keep saying 11 am and 39 - why not just acknowledge your original post was wrong? You can be concerned but do it based on actual facts - not what you make up.

[BumRushDaShow]

113. He is FFR

so is bye bye out of this thread!

[still_one]

96. They just discussed this on CNN and it was mentioned that the temperture was in the 80's

and it was extremely humid.

While I do think the campaign has to get out in front of this, hopefully with a press conference tomorrow, and as much information as necessary to move on, this type of distortion only contributes to flame bait

I have no doubt before next week is up, this will be behind up, and we will be moving forward.

No doubt Hillary will be giving a press conference, and releasing all pertinent information

[MohRokTah]

64. Bullshit

FACT: Hillary has Hypohidrosis, meaning she LITERALLY DOES NOT SWEAT!

This fact has been known for DECADES!

Please stop pushing a rightwing agenda on DU.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

106. No, Joe, you're thinking of Mussolini. nt

[SidDithers]

63. Why haven't you deleted this post yet...

You've been proven wrong over and over in this thread.



Sid

[KittyWampus]

67. Too busy starting another OP with the video of her getting into the van

whilst asserting THERE"S SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG!!!!!!!

Edit- I alerted that thread and it's been removed.

[Demsrule86]

74. Dear Joe

You should delete this thread...this is DU...not Free Repbulic.

[Joe the Revelator]

78. Right, which is why we should deal with facts, and not hide our heads..

....to fit our agenda.

[Cattledog]

80. Your OP is not factual.

[Joe the Revelator]

86. It is completely factual. At 11am, when I posted this, the humidity in NYC was 39%....

....earlier in the day it may have been higher but at that point the temps were in the mid to upper 70's. In no way was this an extreme heat event.

[Demsrule86]

83. And what might be your point for what is in my opinion an attack on our nominee?

[michaz]

98. Here is a fact. Hillary said she was overheated. Do you not believe her for some reason?

Here at DU I would certainly hope that we trust and believe what our nominee has said. Other than that, I don't get your purpose.

[Demsrule86]

118. Yeah... the fact is she is our nominee and is going to remain our nominee.

So...what is the point? She has walking pneumonia...now aren't you the tiniest bit sorry for your OP?

[emulatorloo]

77. Unmitigated bullshit. Delete your account.

[JTFrog]

95. ^^^THIS^^^

Best reply to the OP's concern trolling yet.

[still_one]

79. Really Joe? Because that isn't what CNN is saying. It was hot and humid

[Joe the Revelator]

82. I'm just going by the weather. At 11a, in NYC, humidity was 39%

People are saying that being completely out on your feet is a normal reaction to the extreme 78 degree heat. It's just silly and we should not be afraid to question WTF is going on with our candidate.

[Andy823]

88. Really putting in a lot of time

Here today trying to push your agenda, but I don't think it's working. You are only making yourself look bad by keeping this up. They may like this kind of stuff over on JPR, but it's getting old here on DU.

[zappaman]

87. Lol!

Keep trying!
Don't let being completely wrong get in your way!

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. You're beating this one to death dude. Do you win a prize if it wasn't heat exhaustion?

[Cattledog]

97. You've been quite illogical

by attempting to diagnose something on the internet. The logical thing would be to have voiced concern and not paint it as serious when no one knows...

[Joe the Revelator]

99. Again, what was my diagnosis? Did you watch the video?

Either she levitated into the van, or she was dragged to the van then lifted in. It doesn't take a doctor to diagnose that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

100. Nothing at all "logical" about alarmism. I think being right is your goal here, but you've been....

successfully debunked upthread, so have a good one. Damn near 80% humidity at Ground Zero this morning before the cold front came through. I won't belabor the point, since I don't wish to advance rightwing talking points, we've got enough folks willing & chomping at the bit to do that already.

[MyNameGoesHere]

109. Or it could be said you're a loon

in a sea of reasonable people. Your opinion isn't the only way to see it.

[trueblue2007]

94. IT WAS HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop saying it was just nice, nice weather.

The weather was warm and humid in New York on Sunday, and there was a breeze at the crowded memorial plaza during the ceremony.

Asked after the event about Clinton's health incident, Trump said, "I don't know anything about it."

Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., said he spent time before the ceremony chatting with Clinton and watching her sign autographs and take pictures. He said he was standing behind her during the remembrance and "she did not seem out of the ordinary at all."

"It was stiflingly hot. I was sweating through my shirt," Crowley said. "I had to leave myself. I drank about a gallon of water."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-im-feeling-great-was-overheated-at-9-11-event/ar-AAiLvEu?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

[anneboleyn]

108. This thread is promoting a right wing lie, and it should be locked and/or deleted. OP's

numbers are not correct as other posters have amply demonstrated. The OP is supporting and promoting a right wing talking point by feeding into the "Hillary's health!" hysteria.

[Cattledog]

115. The truth: Pneumonia

On Sunday afternoon, the Clinton campaign released a statement from her doctor, Dr. Lisa Bardack, who said Clinton had pneumonia and was suffering on Sunday from being overheated. The full statement is below:

“Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies. On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule. While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”