Jill stein at 4 percent in polls is going to kill us

[agnostic102]

Especially in close states like Virginia, North Carolina, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio.

The truth is 90 percent of the votes jill stein is getting would automatically go to clinton if she wasnt in the race. For example in michigan a poll came out with clinton in a 3 point lead. Basically within a statistical tie. Jill is getting 4 percent of the vote! if you take her votes and add them to clinton even in this close pull it would put michigan out of play.

This coupled with trump voters turning out for him we could have a close election of just 1 or 2 points in critical states. If we automatically give up 4 points to stein we might lose these states like Colorado and Nevada etc.. We have to find a way to get jill stien out of this race. After the Mr. Khan incident hillary had moved into a solid 6-8 lead in many of these states so even losing a few points to jill would not have made a difference. In a very close election they can make all the defference.

I dont understand someone who claims to be a progressive like Jill stein can be okay with literally being responsible with putting trump in the white house. i truly cant comprehend this.

[MyNameIsKhan]

1. When you get near election day Jill Stein will be probably get 0.5% votes

She is polling 4% in most national polls.

Can you imagine Jill Stein getting 5-6 Million votes overall?

[agnostic102]

5. i truely

hope your right. but it makes me sick to my stomach to see stien at 4 percent in a critical state like michigan

[MyNameIsKhan]

12. The polls are out right wacky at this time

Yes there is movement for Trump and Hilary Campaign is in disarray...

But 5% loss in Ohio, 7% in Iowa is not a small news, this means 300k voters in Ohio and 150k voters in Iowa.

Especially Iowa is not densely populated. Can you Imagine suddenly Iowa will loose 150k voters? This will be even less than what Kerry won 741k votes in 2004 and equal to Gore 2000 vote count.

Obama won 822K votes and with 2% population growth, we are saying results will be either reversed which means Rump getting 822k votes or Hilary voters will sit out which means she gets 650k votes as Rump cannot beat Romney vote count of 730k votes.

Total crap and non sense, Iowa is probably 2 point race in Hilary favor.

[zappaman]

39. "Hillary campaign in disarray"

Says who?

[Sugarcoated]

56. Lol, trolls be trolling tonight

It's got me concerned.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. .5% is .5% too much... Jill Stein needs to get out of the race NOW. Every vote counts, as Gore found out.

[pnwmom]

26. Nader, same party, got almost 3%. So I"m not so sure. n/t

[joshcryer]

37. Stein is no Nader.

To his credit he actually accomplished shit.

Stein is a one trick loser.

[guillaumeb]

2. Stein, like Nader, is a 4 year cicada that only appears every four years.

Drawn out and attracted by the media lights.

[Glamrock]

3. I disagree

90% of Steins voted would not automatically go to Clinton. These are the self-proclaimed purest voters of the left. They don't vote Democratic party.

[joshcryer]

38. Indeed, like 2012, they vote for purity.

They also are not involved at all in local politics, period.

[bigwillq]

40. Congrats on 900 posts!

[Glamrock]

48. Unremarkable

I've lurked here for a decade, but muchos grassy ass nonetheless.

[VMA131Marine]

4. She won't get 4% in the GE

The lesser party candidates always underperform their polls because it's a lot easier to say you are going to vote for one of them in a poll. When it comes time to mark the ballot and the real choice is between somewhat vanilla but sane and steady Mrs Clinton and the the short-fingered, orange one who courts world disaster with his election, there is only one place to go. Only the die hards will ultimately vote for Stein or Johnson.

[unitedwethrive]

6. There is not a lot you can do about idealistic voters...

as we saw in the primaries. We just have to turn out more of the solid Democrats who are not normally interested in politics.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

63. Best point made all week ! nt

[Uponthegears]

7. Curious

That you didn't say anything about the 10-12% of moderate voters that we had hoped to attract by trashing "The Left" during the primaries who are flocking to Johnson instead.

[pnwmom]

29. Johnson is as rightwing as the come, in terms of his economic policies.

He would end Obamacare, Medicare, and even Social Security if he could.. He's a flat out right-winger, except for his position on pot.

[Uponthegears]

32. As are the "moderate" GOPers

Who some Democrats (IMHO, incorrectly) believe are essential to GE victory. Normally, Trump's near-psychotic allegiance to the Deplorables might have driven them to Hillary, so I won't say it was a bad political move to go for those moderate voters, BUT Johnson pretty much f'd it up. Conceding that it is hindsight, which is always 20/20, I have to say this attempt to lay Hillary's current polling issues at the feat of liberals when it actually currently lies at the feet of those moderates who have abandoned her, looks like a sad and harmful attempt to perpetuate the primary wars.

One last thing . . . I used the word "currently" for a reason. Hillary is an unbelievably strong candidate and will eventually crush the Trump circus act. At the end of the day she will win even if she doesn't get a single crossover GOP vote OR a single Stein vote.

We just need to keep fighting the other side and not each other.

[pnwmom]

49. Wrong. Moderate GOP people, Susan Collins for example, don't want to end Medicare or Social Security

And neither do most of the people who vote for them.

[Uponthegears]

58. And how many "Susan Collins" GOPers do you figure there are?

Hint: ONE in the entire Senate doesn't show a constituency.

Also, Johnson has smoothed out (okay, let's call it what it is, has LIED about) the Libertarian approach to issues like Social Security (which he says is valuable, yet troubled, but can be fixed) to make himself seem more moderate and therefore more attractive to GOPers who can't stand Trump. More importantly, he has been able to escape scrutiny (because he really hasn't run against any opposition) so when he says stuff like that, people don't know he's lying. In other words, you and I know what he stands for, but that huge suburban voting block Hillary was aiming for hasn't a clue.

THAT is why statistically he is (for the time being) drawing a boat load of votes from Hillary.

[pnwmom]

59. Jeb Bush and many other top GOP don't want to end Medicare or Social Security

and neither do their supporters.

That's a Johnson/Libertarian/radical rightwing thing.

[Uponthegears]

61. You keep ignoring the fact

That Johnson call SS "valuable" and "claims" that all he wants to do is "reform" Medicaid and Medicare.

Once again, just because WE know what Libertarians want doesn't mean an uninformed GOP middle who knows nothing but that Johnson was Republican who was "moderate" enough to win the governorship of a heavily Democratic state.

At the end of the day, Hillary is going to win those voters back, just like she is taking votes back from Stein, but to whine and moan about "liberals" being the reason for Hillary's current poll numbers, and NOT the moderates who have strayed in even greater numbers, is just more of the same old primary liberal bashing that a handful of posters here can't seem to stop doing.

UNITE

[emulatorloo]

41. "We had hoped to attract by trashing 'The Left' during the primaries'. FUCK THAT BS 'MEME'

"We" did no such thing. Sanders primary supporter here and that is a false characterization.

[Uponthegears]

45. Whatever

Did you miss the endless "Bernie Bros" posts, the "liberals are racists" posts, the "single payer is a childish fantasy" posts, the "liberals believe in unicorns" posts?

Just wondering.

[emulatorloo]

46. And you believe that was a co-ordinated effort by "we"?

There were a handful of very obnoxious posters who said really obnoxious things. About 5 or 6 of them.

They were very very LOUD and posted thread after thread.

And most people here majorly pushed back on them.

It was not the official policy of "We"

Look I am not attacking you, I just believe what you repeated is incorrect.

[Uponthegears]

51. Thank you for that explanation

And I agree totally (and stand corrected).

It was indeed a minority, a small minority (including many I count as "DU friends&quot . However, they are many of the same posters who now post "Where's Bernie?" and "The liberals supporting Jill Stein (who is, IMHO, a fraud and a joke) is costing Hillary the election" and will not stop.

This party unified at the convention and grows more unified every day. This constant bickering, whether in the form of "Hillary needs to be Bernie" or "Liberals are costing us the election" is destructive at a time when we could -- and will if we don't blow up as a party before Hillary brings this baby home (as she will) -- be kicking the dog snot (just an expression, cruelty toward any living thing is the ultimate sign of weakness) out of Trump.

Thank you for pointing out what I knew and should have said in the first place.

[emulatorloo]

64. I handled first post badly, I was aiming my frustration at the idea

but I can tell how it could have easily come off as something personal.

Yes I am also bothered by the where's Bernie crap, as all you have to do is pay attention to see he's just started doing some heavy major campaigning for HRC in the last couple days. Just saw a report of an appearance on MSNBC where he laid out how high the stakes are in this election.

[Charles Bukowski]

8. Stein and Johnson will combine for 3% of the vote

on election day, if that.

That's good news for HRC, as third party candidates hurt her more than Trump in the polls

[politicaljunkie41910]

9. Actually it's Gary Johnson who is taking the most votes from Clinton. This was reported on MSNBC

this morning. The young guy, Steve Kornacki, reported on this, this morning. His analysis was based on details provided from some recent polling according to him. There was not a specific poll which said it, but during a recent poll, the questioners were asking additional questions in support of that poll and one of those questions was "Who would be your second choice?" and he indicated that Hillary was losing more votes to Gary Johnson.

[NWCorona]

16. This!

While people are lamenting Jill. Gary has been steadily taking votes away from Hillary.

[mythology]

24. I wonder if those are liberals/Democrats

Or Republicans/conservatives who refuse to vote for Trump but don't want to vote for Clinton because she's Clinton?

[still_one]

10. No she isn't, and those who would vote for her, would not vote for Hillary anyway

This isn't 2000 where many people were duped. People know exactly what is at stake, and the Jill Stein voters were never part of the equation. It will be Democrats, Bernie supporters, Women, people of color, and moderate progressives that will win the election for us.

I am very skeptical of the poll sampling. Some demographics are under represented, and others are over represented

I think we are doing much better than we are led to believe, as long as we GOTV

[Uponthegears]

11. Oh, btw

Stein is a joke and a fraud. She will get less than 1% in the GE.

[jimw81]

13. It's Johnson who taking away votes

[tralala]

22. Thats very true but the Green Party just makes a better patsy

[Bradical79]

14. No, they wouldn't automatically go to Clinton

Most probably wouldn't vote at all or would write in somebody. It's a protest vote.

[wishstar]

17. Jil Stein is not even on ballot in NC- she didn't meet the qualifications

This helps Hillary in NC

Although write-ins are possible, since she will not be on ballot, Stein's support via write-ins should be very minimal

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. Jill Stein won't get .5% of the vote

Get a hold of yourself.

[anneboleyn]

25. She was just making a fool of herself on Fox. She was nervous, inconsistent, and stumbling all over

her "points," which didn't make any sense. I don't think she will get any significant percentage of the vote in November.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Only the hardest core of embittered lefties will vote for her

Luckily, they constitute about .35% of the electorate, and mostly concentrated in safe Dem states. They're insignificant. Vote-wise, I mean.

[NCTraveler]

21. "Jill stein at 4 percent in polls is going to kill us"

That doesn't make any sense. The logic gets even more twisted in the body of your op.

[Agschmid]

23. People are allowed to vote for whomever they wish.

It's just part of being an American...

[Charles Bukowski]

31. They're also

allowed to act like they're the last word on progressivism, even as they pave the road for a Trump presidency.

The Bernie or Bust crowd repulses me.

[Rocknrule]

27. She's Ralph Nader in drag as far as I'm concerned

[a kennedy]

28. I just want it to be over........

Where's the pulling my hair out smilie???

[Kilgore]

30. Realclear politics has a great graph which shows the impact of a 4 way race

Check it out at,

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

[wisteria]

34. She is a kook.

[Gothmog]

35. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for trump

I do not care if the JPR posters dislike this opinion

[TSIAS]

44. That is not true

It's basically a non-vote, or 1/2 a vote for Trump. The only way it really would matter is if a candidate needed 50 percent plus 1 to win. Of course, only a plurality is needed to win a state's electoral votes.

[Gothmog]

57. I strongly disagree with your analysis and conclusions

A vote for Jill Stein is by definition a vote to make Donald Trump President. There is no other way to view such a vote

[marlakay]

36. Some people are still angry with Hillary

I have a few FB friends that are 100% with Jill and from what they post negative about Hillary they haven't gotten over their anger. I finally hid posts until after election.

They are solid so no talking to them. Most of my other Bernie friends are voting for Hillary unless they live in a very safe Hillary state.

I had to defriend one woman that cussed at me after the primary. Emotions are still high with these people so you can expect Jill to get a few percent from them.

[emulatorloo]

42. Given that their anger at HRC was mostly based on false Internet memes, I just keep SMH

Stein's just exploitatively perpetuating that nonsense for her own "popularity."

[TSIAS]

43. There are ALWAYS third party candidates

In any election for any office, there are third party and independent candidates. Yes, if forced to vote and there was literally no other options, most of those votes go to Clinton. However, there is the option of not voting or voting for another third party or write in. At least if they Stein voters show up at the polls, they'll probably vote Democratic for other races on the ballot.

[bigwillq]

47. Stein and Johnson likely have little impact on the GE

There's always been third and fourth and fifth parties on the ballot. Those voters probably weren't going to vote for the two major parties anyway.

[RonniePudding]

50. Stein's a Putinite so she knows exactly what she's doing

[napi21]

52. That's dosg poop. Jill Stein showed at 2% in the last polls I saw, and that's probably high.

She's NOT on all 50 State ballots, she doesn't have enough ads running anywhere! I think, if you asked the avg. person who is Jill Stein, the response would be "WHO?"

I'm much more concerned about Johnston. He's taking votes away from Hill and it's making me nervous.

[CBGLuthier]

53. Democracy Sucks.

[Arazi]

54. Every analysis points to Johnson as Hillary's problem. Stop focusing on Stein!

She's nobody. Its Johnson whose the real threat

[still_one]

55. Jill Stein knows she cannot win, and realizes the only thing she will

accomplish is to divert possible votes away from Hillary, and help Trump/Pence. That, that fact alone doesn't seem to bother Ms. Stein really indicates that Ms. Stein does not care for the country

[NHDEMFORLIFE]

60. Clinton will win NH. Stein's impact here will be non-existent. n/t

[Kentonio]

62. I'm not a Green, but people shouldn't be attacked for running third parties.

The country would be a lot healthier if there were more than two viable options, which forced the parties to listen to the people rather than simply point at the scariness of the other. Two party politics is horrible for the common folks and there's no way to change it other than for the third parties to run and try and build support.

If we lose this election it will be because we didn't do our jobs properly, not because of anything any other party did or didn't do.