Anyone who cares about the future of this nation MUST vote for Hillary. No silly vote-wasting.

[RBInMaine]

Jill Stein? A person ZERO qualifications. ZERO! Seriously? Or Johnson, a Libertarian right winger who waves the Libertarian flag held by the disgusting Grover Norquist who wants to "drown government in a bathtub". Seriously?

There is ONE and only ONE person who stands between the White House and the fraud, con man, liar, and diabolical racist menace who is Trump, and that is Hillary Clinton.

ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, who claims to be "progressive" or a "Bernie Voter" who votes Stein or Johnson is a ridiculous zero-reality FOOL. Simple as that.

[Ken Burch]

1. We need progressive votes...but we can't win those votes by calling people "silly".

We CAN win by making sure people know about our platform and making a fighting, passionate case both for that platform and for the space the Sanders campaign created for progressives to work for change WITHIN this party.

Tell me this....have YOU ever been won over by a pitch that insulted you? Have you ever voted for a candidate whose argument is "if you don't vote for me, you're stupid"?

If not, why do you think that approach is going to work with OTHER people.

Here is the speech I would give to the kind of people you are referring to in this OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512426118

[LuckyLib]

2. What I can't comprehend are those idiots who say, "I'm not going to vote at all.

I don't like either candidate!"

That's not how the game works, honey.

[RBInMaine]

5. Yes, that is just sheer ignorance if not pure stupidity.

[padfun]

8. Most of those people are Republicans

who will NEVER vote for Hillary. So please let them sit this out.

[RBInMaine]

3. There are people still chanting that they were "robbed" and it was a "rigged" primary. What do you

call that? Bernie and Warren are out there strongly supporting Hillary, and still they won't listen. Voting for Stein or Johnson is sheer vote-wasting to anyone who understands political reality. Those two will not win, period. Not gonna happen.

If you claim to be progressive, you only have one winnable choice and that is Hillary Clinton. Period.

[Ken Burch]

10. I guess some people are holding more anger than was expected.

While they should be moving past it(the point of the version I wrote was to get them to move past it), they aren't totally wrong. There were deeply unfair things that were done, and things that were said that should not have been said. And all of those things were unnecessary, since you had an excellent candidate who could have won the nomination on a purely positive and high-minded campaign(I support her now BECAUSE I believe she's a good candidate on the merits).

The lesson is: be careful how you treat the supporters of your opponents in the primaries-you're going to need them later.

And nobody will ever change their mind as a result of other people denouncing them. it just doesn't work.

[CajunBlazer]

12. So they're saying. "I got my feeling hurt, so I'm voting for Stein"?

When it is increasingly possible Trump will be President?

[Ken Burch]

15. Not "I got my feelings hurt", more like "the party organization treated us and our candidate

not as an opportunity to embrace but as a threat to be crushed. They did all they could to stop us when the party apparatus was supposed to be neutral". A lot of us are supporting Hillary strongly after being put through that, but a lot of damage was done.

I don't want Trump to be president, either.

The best things Hillary could do to stop Trump would be to explicitly say "If TPP is still up for ratification when I'm sworn in, I'll immediately withdraw it" and "A vote for Trump is a vote for MORE Middle Eastern wars. His rhetoric guarantees it".

She loses nothing by saying either of those things. And she instantly deflates the Greens.

[CajunBlazer]

17. Ahhh.... poor baby.....

There aren't going to be any deals which cater to the far left at this point of the campaign. There aren't enough of you to risk that. Bernie has moved already moved Hillary further to left than was wise for the general election.

Now it comes down to a simple choice Trump or Hillary - choose or be a coward and choose not choose. If in a very close election it is apparent that Hillary lost because of far left defections in critical swing states and the country has to suffer through 4 years of Trump. it will not be forgotten soon by Democrats or the rest of the county for that matter. It will be blow to the far left agenda for many years to come.

[Ken Burch]

18. Stop calling people "far left"

There isn't anything we support that is unpopular or bad for the country. And Hillary would be doing worse if she was further right. There were no possible rightward tacks on anything that would have gained her votes in the fall.

[CajunBlazer]

19. I guess I should call them the radical left, but you can call them whatever you like

There has to be some kind of differentiation made between the vast majority of progressives and those whose ideology is so out of the mainstream that they would even consider voting for Jill Stein in this election. The vast majority of progressives are not.

There has to be some kind of differentiation made between the vast majority of progressives and those whose ideology is so out of the mainstream that they consider anyone not as far to the left as themselves, including Hillary Clinton, to be a conservative.

There has to be some kind of differentiation made between the vast majority of progressives and those whose ideology is so out of the mainstream that they believe only they are correct in their beliefs and everyone else is dead wrong.

There has to be some kind of differentiation made between the vast majority of progressives and those whose ideology is so out of the mainstream that they believe it is against their conscious to vote for someone who does not support their ideology completely, even though "voting their conscious" in this case might lead to the victimization those who need their help the most. That is a violation of the very essence of progressiveness.

So you can call them whatever the hell want, but they are not normal progressives. Just calling them progressives without differentiation is an insult to everyone else who proudly embraces that term as their own.

[radius777]

14. She ran a very 'soft ball' campaign against him

because she knew that she had the numbers on her side.

This was a mistake, imo, as it only caused Weaver et al to ramp up the negativity.

She should've gone harder at her opponent, and taken him out early, instead of allowing it to drag on.

Her opponent had zero appeal to PoC and women, key Dem constituencies, and was therefore never going to win the nomination (white progressives and white college kids are not the base of the party anymore, as they were in the past).

After 3/15 the race was mathematically over, but her opponent chose to stay in and go negative ("rigged", "DWS", "wall street speeches&quot which greatly raised her negatives, the effects of which linger on 'til today.

[totodeinhere]

13. What you are saying applies to voters in battleground states. But if you live in either

a solidly blue state or a solidly red state it won't matter what you do with you vote for president. But even in those states there may be some competitive down ticket races the require your attention.

[RBInMaine]

6. A good speech in the post you linked, but they must be made to see the FUTILITY of voting Stein.

[Ken Burch]

11. My speech does that. It does that by making a positive case for OUR candidate

and making sure they know the stakes. It serves no purpose to include the words "it's futile to vote for Stein".

By her actions, Stein demonstrates the futility all by herself.

[George the Retiree]

16. They're not silly

They're brain-dead! This is an "Armageddon Election," just like Bill Maher said.

[William769]

4. Kick & recommended.

[world wide wally]

7. A VOTE is a terrible thing to waste

[Initech]

9. The sad thing is we're so disgusted with politicians in this country that we would vote for this guy

But seriously though anyone who throws away their vote for Gary Johnston or Jill Stein does not deserve to have nice things.

[barbtries]

20. well, i guess that's one way to persuade

those who are on the fence.