2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShould we really be worried about Trump?
Of course. Normally when there is a Fascist,racist idiot running for President most would not give this idiot a second chance or snow ball chance in hell. Since there are so many of his supporters that are Fascist,racists,idiots it is worrisome especially when the Corporate Mafia media is giving Trump a free pass...well its scary as hell.
We have a candidate for President that just so happens to be a woman that is probably one of the most qualified to ever run on the Democratic ticket.
Given their political experience she is more qualified than her husband was.
Jason1961
(461 posts)You can quote me, Hillary is going to win and win big. The "Alt Right" is going to sink any chances of Trump even making it close.
I'm not saying don't vote because it's in the bag or anything but we're going to win.
The Republicans all know she's going to win, at most they're just paying lip service to Trump to appear to be on board.
INdemo
(7,024 posts)The Corporate media has always been behind the Republican but I cannot remember when the Corporate Mafia has tolerated or failed to fact check any of the Republican's lies as they have allow all of Trumps BS to stand as fact.
Of course Trumps followers would believe the sun sets in the North if Trump said it was so and the corporate media would also agree if Trump said it
doc03
(39,086 posts)candidate that I thought he would win. I don't know how on earth anyone could vote for that idiot but it looks like it may happen.
I will not watch the debates, I don't want to see what kind of stunt he pulls off. The winner will be whoever the media picks I guess.
BlueInPhilly
(971 posts)if you have from the very beginning already thought the other guy would win.
So please, spare the rest of us. We don't need the negativity right now. We're trying to psyche ourselves, and posts like yours are not exactly helpful.
doc03
(39,086 posts)relatively sane Republicans. Everyone including myself took him as joke when he announced he was going to run. We have heard a hundred comments from him that would have disqualified anyone else from being president yet he goes on. He could come out and yell in Hillary's face and shove her in the debates and at least 50% of his followers would cheer him on. The country has become the Morton Downey Jr. Show.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)There was no one in that race that was more sane than Trump. They were just less flamboyant. Every last one of the other 16 candidates had similar policies to Trump. They each had their own little flourishes but they were basically the same, diluting the vote count. By the time it was only Cruz (which would have been another horror story) the momentum Trump had was difficult to stop and certainly Cruz did not have any of the charisma or positives to do it.
He won the primary with between 30 and 40% of the electorate in the Repubican Party.
The unfortunate part is that the Media, in pursuit of ratings, has given the clown a pretty much unlimited stage by which he could say anything he wanted. If Clinton, Sanders, or Obama had as much coddling and airtime, they would be up by huge numbers. Instead, this showman (ridiculous and crazy as he is) has been able to use the media to maintain his popularity with his base. Meanwhile, Clinton is treated at best, like an actual candidate with difficult questions, and at worst like a Clinton, which is to say that she is assumed to be guilty of all sorts of nonsense without any evidence.
If you are worried, then be worried about the state of the media and how it warps reality, not about Trump or his message or followers. They would be nowhere without massive help.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)name even one redeeming feature about his candidacy.
0rganism
(25,644 posts)when he loses - badly - in November, there's going to be a lot of outrage from the basket, and some of those deplorables take their salt with lead. they won't have anywhere to go, politically, as America will have flatly rejected their platform of dystopian hate. they are the last ones trapped inside the burning building that is the Republican party, they'll be desperate.
Jason1961
(461 posts)It's a scary thought, makes me really wish Obama would have pushed extreme gun control measures in his first term. I doubt he'd have been able to ban them outright but I feel like we really didn't try. We got the ACA and declared victory. Once Hillary wins we will need to take on the hard task of disarming these nutjobs.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that should scare everyone shitless.
yuiyoshida
(45,415 posts)That scares me that, with big money, the Election could be rigged again. Hopefully if the Supreme court steps in, it won't be in favor of Trump. Hopefully Obama's picks will be suffiencent enough to over turn any bullshit that Fox NEWS announces in the way of Trump being the winner.
These are scary times and Hillary has to beat Trump and soundly enough that it will be better than when Obama beat Romney!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)Irrespective of whether or not he has a serious chance, he still has a decent chance (which is enough for me to worry about) and he will be ensured most right-wing/Republican votes on Election Day 2016. The most frightening thing for me about him is his extremism, which is, paradoxically, his biggest liability and why, despite the risk, I'm glad that Hillary is facing somebody who is so grossly incompetent and unqualified for the job because she'd likely be facing a steeper challenge from a more "moderate" Republican like, say, Kasich, Bush, Romney, et. al just by reason of the typical "eight year itch" that leads a lot of people to switch party control of the WH to the opposing party.
INdemo
(7,024 posts)one of those Republican has been challengers you mentioned might have been Romney and I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than many are giving her credit ....
This campaign is different because Trump is attracting every Racist,Fascist,White Supremacist in the country.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)It just would have been harder than beating Trump
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I worry about the corrupt system promoting his candidacy and erratic behavior, and all the ignorant people going with the sexist, racist, nationalist flow.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)... not that the OP did... I think of the rise of Hitler. It wasn't a military coup. A closer if less scary analogy is brexit.
Whiskeytide
(4,656 posts)... I posted a couple of days ago what Trump has going for him in this election:
1. Racist voters
2. Sexist voters
3. Scared voters
4. Isolationist
5. Anti establishment voters
6. Clinton (both Bill and HR) haters
7. FOX viewers
8. Talk radio listeners
9. Traditional republican voters who aren't paying attention(more than you'd think)
10. The media's support
11. Diebold
12. Republican Administrations in state govt in many swing states.
13. Voter suppression laws in some swing states.
14. Generally low information voters drawn to celebrity
15. Everyone who secretly harbors some of the above listed attitudes but is not sharing them publicly (I fear, here also, many more than you'd think).
To be sure, there's plenty of overlap in many of these categories - but taken as a whole it adds up. It is foolish to claim it's over, trump has no chance, and that HRC will win big.
We tend to forget that, on DU, we follow, care about and fret over politics MUCH more than the average American. Trump would lose a DU poll vs Idi Amin in a landslide - but 85% of Americans not on DU would ask "Who's Idi Amin?". Idiocracy has arrived!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)USA's had some bad ones, and USA will again. I have little control over it besides one vote in a blue state, so I don't waste my time worrying about something I can't control.