NY Times: By any normal standard, Hillary Clinton crushed Donald Trump in the first presidential deb

[liberal N proud]

By any normal standard, Hillary Clinton crushed Donald Trump in the first presidential debate.

By Thomas B. Edsall, NY Times contributing editor

Trump was erratic, inconsistent and incoherent. He did not make a memorable case on any issue except perhaps his call for law and order.

His justification for refusing to release his taxes, his claim that “my strongest asset by far is my temperament,” his defense of his bankruptcies, his use of debt and his failure to pay creditors, his support for reducing taxes on the wealthy, and his failure to document such broad claims as “we have the greatest mess you have even seen” all rang weak.

This same pattern became obvious as Trump tried to claim he actually did Obama a favor by pushing for the release of his birth certificate and failed to explain why he continued to make birther claims for years afterward.

Trump’s weaknesses were compounded by confused syntax, irritating intrusiveness and disregard for the efforts of Lester Holt, the moderator, to move the debate along.


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[Coolest Ranger]

1. What little bit I did see

she kicked his orange hate all over the place

[Historic NY]

2. BY the time Donald is reading thse opinion pages one after another...

he'll be in the corner, tweeting hate filled messages of his greatness.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Some MSM rewriting history already

ABC article in particular, seems to be part of a plan to give Trump
a pass. But calling this debate a draw is like not watching it altogether.

Maybe that's the idea. If people think it's all over they won't vote and
that is not good for anyone.

[RobinA]

7. The Way It Was A Draw

is not, Who won? that was clearly Clinton. I'm wondering if who won is the right question. My thing is, What effect will it have on the campaign. That's where I think it was a draw. No one did anything to change minds.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. A first debate is a probing of each other

and she learned more than he did, because she prepared, and she was
well instructed on what to look for. She knows how far she can push him,
how he might respond. He is adamant that he is never wrong.

His self-centeredness comes through. It's a natural reversion. Once he's
in his own mind and just blabbers, he's shadow boxing. She will use
that to her advantage. While she put her best foot forward, she held back
too, she was almost demure in her muted answers. It's one of her strengths.

There is the potential she will play him like a fish and wallop him good. Or
she may not have to. TKO punches sometimes backfire. Why take that risk.

[justiceischeap]

10. I think the actual polling that took place immediately after the debate

proves your assertion wrong. I also have no doubt that there were undecided women watching last night that watched Trump talk over Clinton one too many times for comfort.

I think we'll see a few percentage points bump for Clinton.

[DinahMoeHum]

4. A commenter put in a parody of "Jabberwocky"

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JABBERTRUMPY (Apologies to Lewis Carroll)

Beware the JabberTrump, my girl!

The names that bite, the lies that catch!

Beware the Cuckoo Birds, and shun

The frumious Right-Wing Batch!

She took her Factual Sword to mind

Long time the Orange foe she sought

So rested she by the Tumtum tree,

And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought she stood,

The JabberTrump, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And Tweeted as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through

The Factual Blade went snicker-snack!

She left it dead, and with its head

It went galumphing back.

And, hast thou slain the JabberTrump?

Come to my arms, my beamish girl!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!

She smiled, as did the world.





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[Siwsan]

5. Love it!

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Awesome

[SunSeeker]

6. K & R

[Lithos]

11. Right

But Hillary is a woman and thus has to prove herself 2x over.

L-

[Dem2]

12. IOW "who let this 6th grader run for president? why was he even on the stage last night?"

Such a disaster that we even have to treat this son of a bitch like he's a serious person.

Imagine if he somehow gets elected?