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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:01 AM Sep 2016

With the Alicia Machado story starting to blow up.... look for Trump to create a major distraction

He needs to change the subject FAST.

The Alicia Machado story is starting to take hold and become *THE* narrative coming out of the debate.

The Trump campaign needs the media to move off of this pronto, and the only way to do that is to create a BIGGER shiny object.


Here are some possibilities that we might see in the coming days:

1. Trump announces that he is skipping one or both of the next debates (Likelihood: 10%)

2. Trump announces that he WILL be releasing his tax returns... and that he will do so on Neil Cavuto's show. Much like the Dr. Oz event, it will be hyped up for a week - suffocating the Machado story - and when the date comes, he will just hand over a one page "summary" to Cavuto, and not his actual returns. His supporters will consider this equivalent to releasing the returns. (Likelihood: 30%)

3. Wikileaks will release an embarrassing email by Bill Clinton showing that he is as sexist/misogynistic as Trump, thus muddying the waters on the story. (Likelihood: 40%)

4. Other. Something we haven't seen yet. (Likelihood 20%)



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With the Alicia Machado story starting to blow up.... look for Trump to create a major distraction (Original Post) scheming daemons Sep 2016 OP
Howard Dean gave him his out... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #1
What I HATE about cable news - and yes, MSNBC. Instead of doing any kind Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #12
Anyone who objected to TV doctors "diagnosing" Hillary Clinton's collapse on 9/11... brooklynite Sep 2016 #24
I don't really think of it as a diagnosis I guess. He merely brought up Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #25
Except that those making the claims about Hillary were ignoring how well Hillary pnwmom Sep 2016 #27
Zero chance of #2 happening oberliner Sep 2016 #2
Read closer what I wrote. scheming daemons Sep 2016 #3
Right, but I don't think he would ever go down that road oberliner Sep 2016 #4
it hurts him less than the Machado story. The point is to turn the media's eyes away from this. scheming daemons Sep 2016 #5
I agree with your central premise oberliner Sep 2016 #10
One page summary is fine with me. But, certified by two third party accountants. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #13
Meredith McIver will suddenly develop a host of accounting degrees and will certify them bigly! randome Sep 2016 #16
Well, thank you for bringing up one of my favorite subjects! No one was Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #19
Oh, I was impressed. I'm sure others were, too, but DU has been quieter of late. randome Sep 2016 #22
I missed that! Very interesting! pnwmom Sep 2016 #28
Good investigative skills...:D sarae Sep 2016 #29
He will tweet statements that Hillary made about lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #6
That's not a big enough distraction for this story, I think scheming daemons Sep 2016 #7
If you believe Trump only disparages for what he himself is guilty of - you may be Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #14
Oh no!! That means plan B goes into effect. Kick an orphan in the balls or something. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2016 #8
lofl uponit7771 Sep 2016 #30
He better order up a king size distraction. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2016 #9
Personally, I think only a major national story will distract the media from the Machado story scheming daemons Sep 2016 #11
His problem at this point is that the media have wised up a smidge. Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #15
Distraction: They are accusing Machado of being accomplice to a murder Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #17
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #31
Tweet from Christopher Hayes: Trump World clearly executing Operation Change the Topic scheming daemons Sep 2016 #18
I think these scenarios assume he has learned from previous mistakes or his handlers can somehow retread Sep 2016 #20
#1 he will skip town hall MyNameIsKhan Sep 2016 #21
He could have changed the subject by not bringing it up on FAF in the first place... brooklynite Sep 2016 #23
I don't think he is capable of letting it go. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #26
that's what the talk about Bill's womanizing has been about. nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #32
this isn't just an issue of sexism, everyone already knows Trump is one. radius777 Sep 2016 #33

Wounded Bear

(64,438 posts)
1. Howard Dean gave him his out...
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:05 AM
Sep 2016

Just check into rehab.



(Yes, I know Dean should not have gone there and that's an unnecessary distraction. But I couldn't resist )

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. What I HATE about cable news - and yes, MSNBC. Instead of doing any kind
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
Sep 2016

of investigative reporting - they all immediately turn on Dean. But, it doesn't take a doctor to think that something is wrong with him. His crazed, obsessive actions. During the debate, had to pause for a minute just to discuss how unhinged he acted.

I used to watch Celebrity Apprentice all the time. And, it's often made me wonder. On that show, he displayed a calm and thoughtful personality. He acted very professional. His demeanor now is so completely different. How could he have hidden that so well for a decade?

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
24. Anyone who objected to TV doctors "diagnosing" Hillary Clinton's collapse on 9/11...
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
Sep 2016

...should hold Dean to the same standards.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
25. I don't really think of it as a diagnosis I guess. He merely brought up
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:49 PM
Sep 2016

the signs that were demonstrated that mimic a coke user.

What was weird to me was that he was asked about the snorting and he claimed there was nothing wrong. Strikes me that he should have/could have said he had a cold or something. this is how delusional he is - or whatever it was that Dean described it - when there is something proven/obvious - and you deny. Sure he's seen the clips where you can hear it.

pnwmom

(110,301 posts)
27. Except that those making the claims about Hillary were ignoring how well Hillary
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:12 PM
Sep 2016

was doing on the campaign trail and in debates.

Howard Dean's comment was in the context of a debate performance that went totally off the rails. A coke problem would explain a lot of things about Trump lately.

However, I saw a clip from a speech today and it really does sound like he has a cold. Why doesn't he just admit it? He's boxed himself into a corner.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
3. Read closer what I wrote.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:07 AM
Sep 2016

He wouldn't release the returns. He would *SAY* he is going to... hype it up for a week.... and then release a one page "summary", not the actual returns.

This distracts the media for a week... gets them off of the Machado story.... and his supporters will "accept" the summary as a replacement for the returns.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Right, but I don't think he would ever go down that road
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:09 AM
Sep 2016

I don't think he wants to mention tax returns or have anyone discussing them in any way.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
5. it hurts him less than the Machado story. The point is to turn the media's eyes away from this.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:11 AM
Sep 2016

This Machado story is lethal with regards to suburban women, who he desperately needs.

He can withstand the tax returns story MUCH more than the Machado story.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. I agree with your central premise
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
Sep 2016

I just do not believe tax returns is the distraction they will choose.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. One page summary is fine with me. But, certified by two third party accountants.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:25 AM
Sep 2016

1. Effective Tax Rate

2. $$ Donations and top ten charities

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Meredith McIver will suddenly develop a host of accounting degrees and will certify them bigly!
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:57 AM
Sep 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. Well, thank you for bringing up one of my favorite subjects! No one was
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:20 PM
Sep 2016

impressed that I found a McIver connection on Trump's own website. Don't you hate it when you think you have a HUGE scoop but no one else does?

His great grandmother was a McIver. Coincidence? LOL

http://www.trumpgolfscotland.com/ancestry

Trump Scottish Ancestry
The Family History of Mary Anne MacLeod,
the Mother of Donald J. Trump


by Tony Reid

Genealogy


Mary Anne was born on 10th May 1912 at 3 Tong, Stornoway to Malcolm MacLeod and his wife Mary Smith. The family lived at Tong, a small fishing/crofting township lying 3-4 miles from Stornoway, the only town on the Isle of Lewis. The parents married in 1891 within the Free Church of Scotland, Tong. Malcolm was a local fisherman/crofter, the son of Alexander MacLeod and Annie MacLeod. At the time of the 1901 Census, Malcolm and Mary already had six children.

Alexander, also a crofter/fisherman, would have been born in about 1832. He married Ann MacLeod, also a Tong resident, in 1853 and died in Tong in 1900. According to his son Malcolm, who was the informant of his father’s death, Alexander was the son of William MacLeod, a crofter, and Catherine MacLeod. William died at nearby Vatisker in 1869 and, according to his son Alexander; he was the son of Kenneth MacLeod and [font color=red]Catherine McIver.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. Oh, I was impressed. I'm sure others were, too, but DU has been quieter of late.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:44 PM
Sep 2016

It's like those bad Batman episodes in the 60s where the Joker purposely leaves clues for his nemesis to follow. Trump does the same thing, by picking a name relating to his ancestors.

It takes a truly stupid man to leave clues like this but as we've seen, Trump really is that stupid.

If your info isn't widely disseminated yet, I'd suggest you send it to a few well-chosen journalists to see what they might have to say.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

sarae

(3,284 posts)
29. Good investigative skills...:D
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:23 PM
Sep 2016

So typical of him, too. It seems he picks names he likes and has a history of using (like Barron).

lapfog_1

(31,935 posts)
6. He will tweet statements that Hillary made about
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:12 AM
Sep 2016

Bill's "bimbos"... as the false equivalent of his "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping" name calling.

Chance: 100%

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
7. That's not a big enough distraction for this story, I think
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:13 AM
Sep 2016

He needs something *BIG* to change the subject.


In his sick mind, he is probably hoping for a major terrorist attack.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. If you believe Trump only disparages for what he himself is guilty of - you may be
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

right !

Hmmm.

1. She's fat (he's overweight too)
2. Bill cheated (he did too)
3. Hillary and Cruz are liars (he's the biggest)
4. Hillary's foundation's crooked (WaPO proving every day his is)


Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
9. He better order up a king size distraction.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:18 AM
Sep 2016

I do believe Ms. Venezuela has the eye of the tiger, and we are gonna hear her roar.

I like her. She seems well-adjusted for what she has been through. I like hearing her laugh when she talks about the names he called her. I bet Assface hates that.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
11. Personally, I think only a major national story will distract the media from the Machado story
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
Sep 2016

Terrorist attack, major market crash, etc.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,504 posts)
15. His problem at this point is that the media have wised up a smidge.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:54 AM
Sep 2016

I don't think they would fall for it. He tried to distract from birtherism by making another assassination-y comment but they didn't bite. He's in the situation now where just replaying his "greatest hits" or making comments with plausible deniability just isn't going to work. He would have to make a truly campaign ruining comment to succeed. I hope he tries!

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
17. Distraction: They are accusing Machado of being accomplice to a murder
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:28 PM
Sep 2016

that an ex-boyfriend committed.

retread

(3,926 posts)
20. I think these scenarios assume he has learned from previous mistakes or his handlers can somehow
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Sep 2016

bound and gag him for a couple of news cycles.

He may just go back on Fox and double down again saying even nastier things.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
23. He could have changed the subject by not bringing it up on FAF in the first place...
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
Sep 2016

....this is a person who believes in endlessly relitigating any perceived attack.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
26. I don't think he is capable of letting it go.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:06 PM
Sep 2016

He will be forced by his overblown ego to double down in an effort to prove that he was right to insult her all along.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
33. this isn't just an issue of sexism, everyone already knows Trump is one.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:08 PM
Sep 2016

The bigger issue here is that a powerful old guy like Trump viciously bullied a young person whose career was in his hands, she then went on to suffer mental and emotional issues for the rest of her life as a result.

That's why this Machado issue is different, and why it is so damaging (imo) for Trump. It also puts a face to his abuse, who can go out there and talk about specific incidents.

The public already knows about Bill's stuff with women, and know that stuff he (or Hillary) may've said has to do with the normal reaction of being the subject of decades long political witchhunts where the women were essentially used as pawns by the GOP hit machine. And unlike Trump, the Clintons spent their whole lives fighting for the rights of women and other oppressed groups. Trump's sexism is consistent with his abusive political worldview, which is why it is far more relevant in his quest to become president.

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