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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 12:46 PM Oct 2016

someone will have to explain to me how Trump even has 10% of the female vote

I am a middle aged white male.

That puts me firmly in the Trump demographic.

But I can't stand the man. I have daughters. i have a wife. I have a mother. I am reasonably sane.

But what I cannot figure out is how Donald Trump has the support of even a single female in this country. It makes no sense.

how much does he have to belittle and hate women before 40% of them stop supporting him?

who ARE these women? I certainly don't know any of them.

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someone will have to explain to me how Trump even has 10% of the female vote (Original Post) scheming daemons Oct 2016 OP
Let me know when you have an answer. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2016 #1
Because they rationalize he's talking about "other" women - not them? Siwsan Oct 2016 #2
Yes, the "other" women are the ones that are darker or poorer uponit7771 Oct 2016 #27
Well Rosie, Meghan and others don't fit your reply at all. yeoman6987 Oct 2016 #32
I know a few rumdude Oct 2016 #3
See this video to find out the type of women supporting him Skoods Oct 2016 #4
"Obama Needs To Show His Birth Certificate" Grassy Knoll Oct 2016 #7
Maybe this will help... liberal N proud Oct 2016 #5
They may just be thankful!!!!!!!!!!!!!! katmondoo Oct 2016 #11
5'1" me HockeyMom Oct 2016 #16
There are racist women as well Thrill Oct 2016 #6
Perhaps they long for a strong man? BSdetect Oct 2016 #8
In my mind, there are two most obvious possibilities MANative Oct 2016 #9
+1,000 AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #23
We have a winner! GoCubsGo Oct 2016 #43
They are the female equivalent of Clayton Bigsby iandhr Oct 2016 #10
Most likely because they hate minorities more than they beachbumbob Oct 2016 #12
Two words - downright stupid tonyt53 Oct 2016 #13
They also admire alpha males like Christian Grey maryellen99 Oct 2016 #14
Except for looking like an orangutan you might be onto something. nolabear Oct 2016 #19
I can't believe he was stupid not to realize that when you run for President maryellen99 Oct 2016 #21
It's difficult for me to understand how he gets even 10% of the overall vote. Mamajami Oct 2016 #15
Victims of the American Taliban, aka "Christian" women. BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #17
Because people convince themselves that they're the exception. nolabear Oct 2016 #18
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2016 #26
Self-loathing women, or brainwashed. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #20
'if the country would be secure'---from WHAT???? Maeve Oct 2016 #39
I know--the scary man under her bed, I guess. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #48
It is hard for me to understand any woman voting for Trump ..... Kathy M Oct 2016 #22
(1) Clinton derangement hatred; (2) internalized spooky3 Oct 2016 #24
Single source informed and unwilling or unable to look at all sides of a story. They can relate to uponit7771 Oct 2016 #25
I saw one this morning on A.M Joy. Latina even onecaliberal Oct 2016 #28
Same reason most women put up w abusive men- personal gain bettyellen Oct 2016 #31
Stupidity is mostly male, but not exclusively male bmstee01 Oct 2016 #29
The two women I know who are at all sympathetic toward him are: 1) in an abusive relationship bettyellen Oct 2016 #30
Ask them (esp. the abused) to look for all the technique that tRump uses that are abusive. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #34
I wish I could but she is in his thrall right now and all I can do is wait for him to dump her again bettyellen Oct 2016 #35
Yes, best to take care of her if and as you are able. That's more important than a vote or two. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #37
It's getting to the point where it's been humiliating a few times- bettyellen Oct 2016 #41
Yes. Trump is enabling bullies and abusers and racists and misogynists and bigots of all persuasions Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #42
And I had to walk that very thin line where I stick up for myself and not bettyellen Oct 2016 #45
Watch A Pro-Trump Focus Group Not Realize These Amazing Campaign Ads Are Satire Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #33
They also did a "how'd Trump do in the debate?" Thing the day before the debate, LOL. bettyellen Oct 2016 #36
Yes, I saw that too. It was Jimmy Kimmel (sp?). Don't watch much vid but saw these two. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #38
Oops I had a weird spellcheck there.... I would so love to bust someone on that BS... bettyellen Oct 2016 #40
Women can be misogynists, too. GoCubsGo Oct 2016 #44
Can't explain it myself... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #46
10% of the human vote is hard enough to explain. n/t Silent3 Oct 2016 #47

liberal N proud

(61,203 posts)
5. Maybe this will help...
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 12:53 PM
Oct 2016

This gave me a laugh in the worst week in my life.

Pat Robertson: “Husbands Need To Boycott Intercourse With Their Wives If They’re Planning To Vote For Hillary”




http://politicops.com/pat-robertson-husbands-need-boycott-intercourse-wives-theyre-planning-vote-hillary/

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
16. 5'1" me
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:22 PM
Oct 2016

would punch my 6'1" husband at my arm's level (hint) if he EVER tried to tell or coerce me into voting for HIS Republican choice. He knows better since we have been married for 40 years.

BSdetect

(9,048 posts)
8. Perhaps they long for a strong man?
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:00 PM
Oct 2016

Other than that remote chance its probably a combination of ignorance, racism and stupidity.

MANative

(4,188 posts)
9. In my mind, there are two most obvious possibilities
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:04 PM
Oct 2016

First - racist people.

Second - females in evangelical strongholds. Most evangelicals I've known have a very strong bias toward male dominance and female subservience. In some families that I've encountered, the women are told exactly whom to vote for, and they obey. And that term is central to their existence.

GoCubsGo

(35,000 posts)
43. We have a winner!
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:29 PM
Oct 2016

I live in an evangelical stronghold. Both possibilities are correct. I will also add succumbing to all the fear-mongering is not gender specific. Women can be ignorant bed-wetters, too. They are also just as susceptible to the lies their party has been spewing for decades.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
19. Except for looking like an orangutan you might be onto something.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:55 PM
Oct 2016

I read the first book out of a sense of horrified duty to writing. I just couldn't go on, but the hint was that Grey was a very damaged individual and did what he did as an attempt to gain control over some deeply helpless feelings. Trump is Trump for a reason. If he wasn't so horrifying and in a position to really hurt people I might feel sorry for him. Given how he's turned out, I don't.

maryellen99

(3,798 posts)
21. I can't believe he was stupid not to realize that when you run for President
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 02:02 PM
Oct 2016

Everything he has done comes to light.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
18. Because people convince themselves that they're the exception.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:52 PM
Oct 2016

Sadly, some women use men's disdain for women and their own success with them to believe they're superior, exceptional, not like those who are being diminished. It hits them hard if they find out they're being used in exactly the same way the others were, but they can be in survival mode and then believe they're superior for having survived the abuse, "not like those victims." Women aren't immune to the need for superiority rather than unity, sadly, but that weird social construct where they attain that by their attractiveness to men can get a strong grip on some of them.

Starry Messenger

(32,382 posts)
20. Self-loathing women, or brainwashed.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 01:58 PM
Oct 2016

I saw one interview with Sam Bee, where the woman said it would be worth her making less at her job if the country would be secure if Trump wins. She even seemed like a nice girl, but I don't even know where to start. People are just freaked out and very xenophobic. Even women.

Maeve

(43,489 posts)
39. 'if the country would be secure'---from WHAT????
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:00 PM
Oct 2016

Damn, these people scare me more than an ISIL or other Muslim boogieman they conjure up!

Stupid runs deep.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
22. It is hard for me to understand any woman voting for Trump .....
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 02:16 PM
Oct 2016

With that said I know Three . One claims she is voting Johnson, at same time has been life long republican . Two females are very , very religious could cross to the extreme at least for me , their vote is going for the supreme court looking more at Pence than Don. One is a military wife .

The third female I know that will not vote Hillary does not want to see Clinton s back in the White House , she is the life long republican.

If I could risk pulling my hair out after talking with them about election I would , it 's not going to change their vote at all though ......... I end up frustrated .

Better to outnumber Don and his group with our votes than to sway some of the personalities / beliefs ( for a lack of a better word ) that are out there ....

Local , state , Congress election matter also esp after hearing the one lady talk about the Supreme Court and hoping for a conservative judge .........

spooky3

(38,864 posts)
24. (1) Clinton derangement hatred; (2) internalized
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:16 PM
Oct 2016

patriarchical/authoritarian cultural values; (c) religious fundy nuttiness; (d) .001% club membership; (e) ignorance and stupidity.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
25. Single source informed and unwilling or unable to look at all sides of a story. They can relate to
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:18 PM
Oct 2016

... tRump and his stupid more than smart and family influence.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
28. I saw one this morning on A.M Joy. Latina even
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:26 PM
Oct 2016

Said she didn't care what he sad about women, she just wants her tax cut.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. The two women I know who are at all sympathetic toward him are: 1) in an abusive relationship
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 05:28 PM
Oct 2016

And 2) have an active dislike for feminists, but is one of those crackpots who is anti-everything, and Sanders is the on exception we can find to that.

Neither will vote for Trump, but they have this thing that his sexism is no big deal and women should put on their big girl panties. Ugh.

I know the one dating the (emotionally) abusive guy is susceptible to gas lighting- blaming the women for his cheating and I'm writing it off as Stockholm syndrome.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
34. Ask them (esp. the abused) to look for all the technique that tRump uses that are abusive.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:10 PM
Oct 2016

Ask them if they have 30 seconds to listen to Donald J. tRump. Show them the Mirrors ad.



 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. I wish I could but she is in his thrall right now and all I can do is wait for him to dump her again
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:55 PM
Oct 2016

In the most humiliating way of course, once again.

Right now she is unreachable, and I can't do anything that might make her feel isolated when it ends again. She sort of lashed out and insulted me for being obsessive about politics on FB. (I get that she doesn't see the dozens of friends I have that are also posting about politics this week) so I asked if it was connected to him because he has lashed out to me rudely and stormed out once and also needles her that I'm a radical feminist or whatever. She denied it but I'm pretty sure it's a big part of it. He's sticking up for a sexist piece of shit and unmasking himself in the process and I get the grief.

She is apathetic politically and I think he's trying to turn her just for kicks. He manipulates her with his cranky moods and it's getting tiresome. When she lashed out at me I was like WTF girl, I don't bring up politics to you- he does. I avoid talking politics to people who can't discuss issues in depth and without rancor. I feel sorry for her but can't do anything until she wants to. Bummed.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
37. Yes, best to take care of her if and as you are able. That's more important than a vote or two. . nt
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:58 PM
Oct 2016
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. It's getting to the point where it's been humiliating a few times-
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:15 PM
Oct 2016

And it really hurt her that her family and mutual friends knew- because it ruined a weekend she was super excited about. He invited another girl he'd been screwing around with too- exactly what Don did to his first wife in Aspen.

I talked to her about how we all loved her and is knowing wasn't the big deal- her being treated like shit was. She should be mad he did that and not focus on how it was done. But the humiliation thing is powerful I think, she is loathe to admit it when things get bad. I think it's actually turning her against Hilary a bit, because she can't admit to herself what a shit he is. Trump has sort of become symbolic in their relationship.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
42. Yes. Trump is enabling bullies and abusers and racists and misogynists and bigots of all persuasions
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:18 PM
Oct 2016
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
45. And I had to walk that very thin line where I stick up for myself and not
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:37 PM
Oct 2016

Alienate her. I hope I am setting a good example by not blowing off the issue. She is a tough girl but not when it comes to him.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
38. Yes, I saw that too. It was Jimmy Kimmel (sp?). Don't watch much vid but saw these two. . . nt
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:59 PM
Oct 2016
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
40. Oops I had a weird spellcheck there.... I would so love to bust someone on that BS...
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:06 PM
Oct 2016

But al they would say is " she lies too". They're baked in haters.

Wounded Bear

(64,637 posts)
46. Can't explain it myself...
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 07:52 PM
Oct 2016

but then again, I can't understand why any woman would be a Republican, either.

Neither idea makes any sense to me at all.

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