***** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread I *****

[Coyotl]

Great to see and listen to some smart people before they bring out Pence.

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[vadermike]

1. Do

VP debates ever make any difference at the end of the day? Just curious ! Otherwise GO TIM!!!!!!!

[Coyotl]

2. This VP debate is the only time some voters will see Pence until he runs in 2020..

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Rarely and marginally. Mondale may have helped Carter win in 1976. . . . nt

[Coyotl]

12. Palin was a wake up call to America.

I don't know that the debate mattered though, by then we all knew McCain had screwed up his chances by picking her. It gave her a chance to prove she wasn't a total imcompetent, and she failed.

[JHB]

11. It might this time, since since Kaine will only be president if something happens to Hillary...

...but Pence would effectively be president even if nothing happens to Trump.

[Retrograde]

86. Until Trump gets impeached

his kids will be running things - Pence will be out of the loop for the most part. MHO, of course.

[Coyotl]

5. My clock says 6:00 here in Oregon, we have a split screen ans music, and it begins.

People have coughing and music resumes. What, me impatient?

[nolabear]

6. Anybody going to keep up with Trump's live tweeting?

I don't have the stamina for it but I'm curious.

[a kennedy]

9. Wonder if Bernie is going to be tweeting???

I'd be more inclined to watch his then tRump.

[Marthe48]

10. Trump's probably holding Pence's family

hostage somewhere <jk>

[nolabear]

14. *snort!*

[Coyotl]

21. I bet it isn't Trump himself, but a group of people impersonating him.

Trump may be in a straight jacket, or agreed to keep his hands in his pocket?

[TexasBushwhacker]

51. I am

He hasn't said anything much yet.

[TexasBushwhacker]

69. Benghazi! Misspelled Bengazi!

[nolabear]

7. I have NO idea who Elaine Quijano is.

[ailsagirl]

58. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=403960

[tblue37]

134. A moderator willing to rein them in when they talk over each other. Maybe some of the

older moderators could have her run seminars to train them how to control candidates during debates.

[femmocrat]

8. Here we go!

[riversedge]

13. Oh, they get to sit down. I rather like that.

[chillfactor]

15. ah....Kaine has the power tie.

[misterhighwasted]

16. Love this:

[nolabear]

22. That IS nice.

[nolabear]

17. First question's actually about them. Go Tim!

[nolabear]

18. Good answer. Multifaceted and humanizes the platform.

[TCJ70]

19. Answer the question Tim. N/t

[SaschaHM]

25. I really don't know why they don't give them opening statements at this point.

[Danmel]

27. Yeah

Has to answer questions

[msanthrope]

29. Oh, he did. nt

[femmocrat]

32. I agree... I thought he was going to say that (the young woman) founded Longwood University!

Bit of a stretch, IMO.

[Retrograde]

94. Yeah, he seems to be rambling

and talking too fast, as if he's trying to cram more data in.

[riversedge]

20. Kaine has red tie (Hillary had red pantsuit); Pence has blue tie-as did dumpy trump.

[Nye Bevan]

23. Tim Kaine = old pro.

He could do this stuff in his sleep. Perfect so far.

[Marthe48]

24. Pence looks like Mr. Kaine is making him ill

really, does the thought of helping people rankle that much? ReallY?

[JHB]

26. Pence: I won't have to jump in on a moment's notice...

...I'll be doing the job from Day 1, because Donald will be busy (air quotes) making America great again (/airquotes).

[misterhighwasted]

46. When Pence speake, I'm flipping the channel to the Toronto/Baltimore Game.

Mrs Pence stated the her husband would do very well tonight since he was on the debate team in high school.

How old is Mike now??

[nolabear]

28. Hmmm...Pence is good at this. He creeps me out but he's good at it.

[ecstatic]

30. Great intro by Kaine. Now he's taking notes

while Pence speaks! LOL

[Chicago1980]

130. And he's a lefty.

[BlueStater]

31. This is going to be a "boring" debate.

"Boring" in the sense that there isn't going to be an orange idiot yelling and interrupting everyone every five seconds.

[MoonRiver]

33. Tim was awesome in his first reply!

[riversedge]

34. Kaine says he and his wife trust Hillary Clinton and trust her with their son in the Marines. #VPDe

very good Tim.

Sarah Reese Jones ‏@PoliticusSarah 57s58 seconds ago Fremont, CA

Kaine says he and his wife trust Hillary Clinton and trust her with their son in the Marines. #VPDebate

[avebury]

35. Pence can't control Trump as a candidate.

How on earth could he control him as President.

[RBInMaine]

36. Pence is a BULLSHITTER.

[TCJ70]

44. Truth. N/t

[RBInMaine]

133. What a bullshitter Pence is.

[Renew Deal]

37. Pence is putting people to sleep

[still_one]

62. huh..... what happened, you woke me up

[nolabear]

38. Welp, right to the trust thing. Might as well go there.

I hope he does it right.

[MoonRiver]

41. He is!

[Coyotl]

39. The War on Coal. OMG. Climate Change Denial, that's why you are cool?

[bettyellen]

40. pence is shaking his head like a dog following a treat

[chillfactor]

71. and making faces as well

[Island Blue]

42. I have a migraine and can't handle

Listening to Pence's answers, so I'll follow along here and just listen to Tim.

[Mme. Defarge]

77. Me too!

I can't listen to Pence - what he's saying is complete BS and just too irritating.

[nolabear]

43. The glove has been thrown down.

I'm surprised, actually. This should be interesting!

[ecstatic]

45. Wow. Kaine didn't waste anytime pivoting from that first

ridiculous question. Now Pence is on the attack!

[blue cat]

47. Woooo

first hit!!!

[greatauntoftriplets]

48. Kaine is energetic and engaged.

Pence looks like he'd rather be anywhere else.

[KewlKat]

49. Pence on the attack.........rather than answer the question./tim is interrupting.

[Satch59]

50. Kaine coming off strong...

Seems friendly and engaging...

Pence looks mean...beady eyes...never trust beady eyes...😁

[hamsterjill]

52. Why is Kaine looking to the side?

It looks like the camera angles are off.

[Coyotl]

53. Kaine did not take the email bait. Perfect.

[Coyotl]

68. "You are Donald Trump's apprentice." LOL

[Dawson Leery]

54. Kaine is not taking shit from Team Himmler's love of Dictator Putin.

[KewlKat]

55. pence....."i must have hit a nerve....."

tim talking over.....wow

[Marthe48]

56. Who invaded Iraq?

History goes back past 2008. Pence drinks the Kool-aid for sure

[NBachers]

57. Tim- please answer the question and stop the canned responses.

[ecstatic]

59. I love how the moderator is pressing Pence

to answer. LOL!

[Renew Deal]

60. Kaine showed up tonight

[femmocrat]

61. Pence got nasty right off the bat.

True to form.

[Doctor Jack]

63. How we doing

Im stuck at some pretentious cocktail thing for work. Tell me Kaine is crushing that bigoted block of wood.

[upaloopa]

64. Pence is trying to build a false narrative.

Kaine is not having it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

65. Tim Kaine is interrupting

I wish he wouldn't do that.

[ecstatic]

70. It is rude BUT it prevents Pence from putting his lies out there

I'd rather have him cut off than to have him spouting lies into the atmosphere.

[TCJ70]

74. Yeah...it's pretty bad.

The door was opened for them to talk over each other now.

[demmiblue]

79. First impression... it is not working well for him. n/t

[liberal N proud]

105. If the lies from Pence weren't so grave

[Nevernose]

111. It was the "discussion" section

Not the sol answer section. Pence was just trying to filibuster.

[nolabear]

66. Kaine is champing at the bit. More contentious than I'd anticipated out of the gate.

[KewlKat]

67. tim has grabbed the ball and is smacking pence around..........go TIM!!!!

Pence is trying to control this and tim is lagging...........damn

[exboyfil]

72. I do not like Kaine interrupting Pence

He have Kaine an opportunity to make his statement without interruption. Bad optics.

[StevieM]

164. Yeah, it is awkward. I was almost relieved when Pence interrupted him. It evened things out.

But it did get Pence off his game when he was starting to go after her on her emails.

I wish they would fight back on the attacks on the Clinton Foundation.

[Renew Deal]

73. Debate is tough to watch because they keep talking over each other

It's like another CNN shoutfest

[exboyfil]

83. Kaine started it

He was given an opportunity to speak, but he cut Pence off.

[misterhighwasted]

75. Kaine has Mikey squirming in his chair!

[Mamajami]

76. Kaine needs to stop butting in. He is coming across as rude.

Not good in my opinion.

[chillfactor]

95. agreed....

let pence spew his BS and then respond.

[StevieM]

166. Agreed. It is a little annoying, but at least Pence is doing it now too. So it doesn't look as bad.

eom

[MoonRiver]

78. Tim won round 1!

[procon]

80. The moderator's voice is so soft, she can't even be heard.

Is her mic working???

[Marthe48]

98. well enough to ask about the email

Another MSM mouthpiece. I lost respect for her as soon as she asked.

[relayerbob]

180. Are there alot of sniffing sounds?

I hear that is a common failure mode of modern microphones-

[KewlKat]

81. pence is a snake....he is going after hillary rather than defending drumpf.

tim has got to tear into drumpf to change this

[trueblue2007]

82. STOP INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER

[nolabear]

91. Problem here is that they have to in order to get a word in.

[womanofthehills]

84. Great start - Kaine is not letting Pence get away with lies

[KewlKat]

85. pence is now tearing down Tim

come on tim..........smack the crap out of him!

[Coyotl]

87. Kaine pinned Pence to the mat on Iraq.

Pence is doing poorly because he is lying.

[avebury]

88. I dont't like it that Pence is coming

across as more calm than Kaine.

[KewlKat]

92. agree...i don't like it either.

tim is normally calmer......but not tonight.

[phylny]

147. Pence is coming across as smug n/t

[liberal N proud]

89. Pence wants to go back to Reaganomics.

[wisteria]

158. That is all they have.

[Marthe48]

182. If Trump knew what the term meant

he'd want Reaganomics too.

[SHRED]

90. We're being oppressed by a "war on coal"?

[ALBliberal]

93. Wishing Bill hadn't given them fodder.

Re: Obama care being crazy.

[elleng]

104. yes. not smart

[ALBliberal]

160. Not nefarious on Bills part but provided

An unfortunate soundbite.

[Coyotl]

96. "The War on Coal," third mention. Again, fourth mention of "War on Coal."

[avebury]

97. Tim Kaine needs to be bringing up the Chinese steel that

Trump has used and how much Trump was walked away from using USA made products.

[riversedge]

99. Tweet to Pence from Hillary a few minutes ago........

Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 10m10 minutes ago

Thanks for the kind words, Mike. #VPDebate

[Glimmer of Hope]

115. Touche!

[nolabear]

100. I'm not fond of that smug expression of Pence's.

[riversedge]

106. the rolling of his eyebrows is annoying

[rainy]

101. Is Pence always going to get the question first?

[TCJ70]

103. Tim got the first question first...n/t

[MFM008]

102. Pence is a smarmy prick

Slap that smug look off his face.

[Greywing]

108. That smug look is going to be his downfall

[KewlKat]

110. man this is bar far more stressful to watch than then Hillary and drumpf..........

pence is so full of himself...........

[BootinUp]

107. Kaine is staying on message. Good job on the economy.

[JohnnyLib2]

109. Are the rules any different tonight?

I should know, but don't.

[Renew Deal]

125. I think it's half the time for each question

1 min vs 2 min per question
:30 seconds vs 1 min to respond

[JohnnyLib2]

140. Thanks

[MattP]

112. That was a horrible question Trumps plan adds 5 trillion Hillarys adds 100 billion

but the moderator acted like they both blow up the debt!

[exboyfil]

113. Kaine continues to interrupt

It looks bad.

[uponit7771]

116. He SHOULD let Pence talk himself into the traps !!!

[ucrdem]

131. Pence: We don't need no stinkin' numbers.

At least Kaine got him to say it.

[Old Vet]

118. he needs too

[Generic Brad]

127. I am afraid he is losing on style

He is winning on substance, but his constant interruptions detract from that.

[wisteria]

148. But, he needs to get the points out and refute Pence. How else is he going to do it. I

[awake]

114. Pence is ducking the questions

[Ace Rothstein]

117. Kaine needs to stop interrupting.

[bettyellen]

120. He's as obnoxious as Trump is - just more low key

[AirmensMom]

126. I agree.

He's excited, but could wait a minute for his turn.

[FUAC]

128. Agree

He has a mastery of facts, but is coming off poorly by interrupting. The moderator has lost control.

[hollowdweller]

175. Kaine is annoying to me.

I think he's clearly more on the right side of things than Pence, but he's driving me crazy interrupting.

[Ace Rothstein]

178. He's toned it down a bit after the first half hour.

He's only interrupting when Pence is going on and on.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

119. Kaine just bitch-slapped Pence. LOL!

[Marthe48]

121. Go Tim!

yeas! Love the hit on taxes

[Ace Rothstein]

122. Kaine did take Pence to the woodshed on taxes.

Still needs to stop interrupting.

[SHRED]

123. QUIT INTERUPPTING SO MUCH KAINE

Let Pence bury himself.

[liberal N proud]

139. Pence just spews lies about Hillary

[TexasBushwhacker]

142. I don't like it either n/t

[Coyotl]

143. Pence keeps lying.

[BootinUp]

124. Kaine is right to attack on the tax returns. nt

[blue cat]

129. Dammmmm

belly laugh

[Blue Idaho]

132. Kane is giving Pence the "trump debate treatment"

Constantly interrupting Pence the same way Trump interrupted Sec. Clinton...

[Coyotl]

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[CentralMass]

136. Kaine should have stated that George Bush signed the Status of Force's agreement the required that

all U.S. forces leave Iraq by the end of 2011.

[avebury]

146. He did talk about that. nt

[wildeyed]

137. Is Mike Pence is made out of plastic?

Pretty sure the man has no soul. You can tell when you look in his eyes.

[Renew Deal]

144. Someone a while ago said he's out of republican central casting

Maybe the Daily Show

[wildeyed]

174. He tries to be all fatherly and wise,

but you can tell he has been eaten from the inside by hatred, bigotry and unfulfilled ambition, leaving a husk of a human being behind.

[Sunny05]

184. Yes, he is made of

putty. He is not a real boy.

[KewlKat]

138. part of it is suppose to be a "discussion"....confusing.

[3catwoman3]

141. Enough with the freaking...

...interrupting!!!!

[liberal N proud]

149. He is only doing it when the lies get bigger than the room

[Chicago1980]

145. Pence just tried to use the Reagan line of, "there you go again".....

It came off pretty pathetic in my opinion.

[SHRED]

150. Fell flat

[3catwoman3]

151. It fell really...

...flat.

[liberal N proud]

152. Fell flat

[bullwinkle428]

154. After accusing Kaine of using ready-made lines!

[Marthe48]

155. agree

eom

[ecstatic]

171. He sounded soooo lame! nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

153. Trump tweets "Kaine looks like an evil crook out of the Batman movies"

[ecstatic]

156. Trump is such a clown! nt

[Dem2]

159. We have a 12 year old running for president

[JohnnyLib2]

161. 4th grade sophistication

[ALBliberal]

157. Time for Kaine to be more respectful

[wisteria]

162. Really?

[Chicago1980]

163. I just think he's not taking any shit.

[wisteria]

173. Exactly. Pence is spewing a lot of lies. If they aren't addressed, they will stick.

[RBInMaine]

167. Time for Pence to stop lying!

[BootinUp]

165. Kaine is winning with thinking Americans. Hard to ask for much more.

Excellent rebuttals on bias in the criminal justice sys,

[Beartracks]

169. Who says a black cop can't be biased against blacks?

Pence seems to think so.



====================

[avebury]

168. Yes - Trump has an insult driven campaign.

His followers are deplorable.

[avebury]

170. Kained kicked Pence's butt on the aplogy issue. nT

[avebury]

172. Kaine should point out the fact that the illegal immigrants

pay a heck of lot more federal taxes then Trump does.

[Ace Rothstein]

176. I thought Kaine had a rough start and he couldn't stop interrupting.

Much like Hillary, he's really come into his own over the last 20 minutes and is kicking ass now.

[Coyotl]

185. In retrospect, Tim Kaine’s debate was a masterful lesson in campaign strategy

In retrospect, Tim Kaine’s debate was a masterful lesson in campaign strategy

[Chicago1980]

177. So it's Hillary Clintons fault that a status of forces agreement couldn't be renegotiated?

They wanted us the hell out of their country on the original agreed upon time.

[CentralMass]

179. Bush signed the Status of Force's agreement that required that all U.S. combat troops leave Iraq

by the end of 2011. Kaine should have made this point.

[tammywammy]

181. He did the first time it came up.

[CentralMass]

183. He didn't do it very well.