2016 Postmortem
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(1,127 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)oioioi
(1,127 posts)Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)If he gets to the election
He gets sort of vindicated by 35% who vote for him
Scruffy1
(3,254 posts)They built it. They own it.Built by dozens of shock jocks, paid media hacks and craven politicians. Don'y let the bastards weasel out. He's just not as smooth about his misogony and racism as they are. They've fed the loyal base such bullshit for years they turned into mushrooms.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)He just says everything they believe more crudely that they do.
They own him. Let him speak, sadly he speaks for them.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)tblue37
(65,269 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)very!
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)He will be there.
vadermike
(1,415 posts)Has said he won't quit. I guess it makes sense at this point fir his sorry ads to follow thru and lose. Gop can beg all they want. Up to him
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)to quit. They are worried about the family business. I hope he does not listen. Please let him stay in. People have not heard all the negative stuff about Pence and the other Republicans. Too late to define them... If they did that what in the world would happen to the early votes?
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)out, then he can say he didn't cave, kept his word, and won't go down in history as the first presidential nominee of a major party to resign in disgrace.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Damn that Trump for making them work
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Inauguration Ball wherein they decided to oppose and work against the President of the United States of America. Fuck them.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)Canadian Broadcasting?
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)applegrove
(118,577 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Do any of you really think that a party of criminals would let mere rules hold them back? This is how long Republican rules would hold up in an RNC meeting:
(gavel) The Emergency Meeting of the Republican is convened.
Mr. Chairman, I move to suspend the rules for this meeting.
The motion to suspend the rules is put before the committee by voice vote. All in favor signify by saying, "aye."
AYE.
The motion to suspend the rules is carried.
Mr. Chairman, I move to remove Donald J. Trump as Republican nominee for President of the United States....
Republicans are criminals. Their rules exist to facilitate their criminal ways. They can and will do whatever they want to do. The only question is whether they want to do this or not. My guess is that they're depending on the knuckledraggers to carry the House and the Senate for them, so we're unlikely to see the above. But if it gets bad enough, we just might see it as late as Halloween.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The ballots are printed. The voting has already started.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)State election laws don't mean shit if they force people to vote for someone who isn't a candidate any more in a federal election. The RNC has the final word on who the nominee is going to be and the RNC has provisions to change out a candidate if that candidate dies, declines, "or otherwise," up to five days before the election. And they can suspend and change their rules to replace a candidate out even later than that.
This was proven in at least three Senate elections in the early 00s (replacing Wellstone, Carnahan, and Torricelli), all of which were contested by Republicans, all of which they lost (the court case--Norm Coleman won his election).
LisaL
(44,973 posts)And the ballots are printed. His name would still be on the ballot.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Faithless elector laws aren't going to hold up against the Supremacy Clause, either. Hear me when I tell you that the only thing preventing Republicans from doing this is their own self interest. Votes don't matter, ballots don't matter, and public opinion doesn't matter. It only comes down to the Republican Party itself, which can be expected to act in its own self interest.
That may--or may not--take votes, ballots, and public opinion into account, but only when they match Republican self interest. There are plenty of us around who perfectly recall exactly this happening in 1972, 1980, 2000 and 2004.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Article 2 section 1
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html
THE CONSTITUTION
Article II
Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)Win or lose.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)If they could, they would have done it during the convention.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)But I'm telling all of you, you are dead wrong if you think they cannot do it. They can, and they will, if it suits their self-serving purposes.
And, I will remind all of you before Monday, it only takes one guy, Mike Pence, to make it happen. All he has to do is decline the nomination as Vice President. That forces the RNC to meet to name a replacement, and I guarantee you that when they do, somebody will notice what else they can do while they're meeting.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)There's a shit storm going on now, but what we're seeing is only the early stages of it. Its going to be an ugly October.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Everyone knows it's only going to get worse if they don't act.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)It's too late to formally change the name of the nominee on the ballots. All the state deadlines are passed.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)are not the issue. Trump is about to lose the GOP their House majority. That's what at stake, and that's what will force them to act. I think we'll see something similar to how Nixon exited, but probably involving Trump's family to convince him to step aside.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)the Gore/Bush election was stressful I fear we ain't seen nothin yet. And no majority in the Supremes.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Of the electoral system. He was very dubious about it
longship
(40,416 posts)The US presidential election is 50 separate state elections with each state making their own laws governing their election. This is the system that the founders set up.
That is what makes the removal of a candidate so damned difficult at this time.
If the GOP were smart, they'd avoid the globe crushing clusterfuck and go with the more ordinary clusterfuck of just letting Drumpf lose.
Either way, they're clusterfucked.
Myself, I want Drumpf to take it all the way. Yup! It will be a clusterfuck for the GOP. But I would just prefer to avoid the global clusterfuck that throws us into a huge constitutional crisis. That would be bad for everybody.
BTW, Ginsberg is smart, but he's still a douche.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)Face it, I think they know the White House is lost -- right now, they're trying to figure out how to distance themselves while not losing the Trumpistas' votes in their own races. I'm sure their major concern right now is how to avoid losing the Senate, and maybe even the House not to mention lots of State Houses and Governors' Mansions.
Rex
(65,616 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Won't print him another bumper sticker !!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Haven't figured out how to do it yet.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The beauty of the entire Donald thing is they have nothing to appeal to him with.
If this was Ted Cruz or some other bozo in the party at the core there is some belief in the conservative movement. Donald Trump gives two shits about conservatism, the republican party, or the country in general. This was always about him from the get go.
He feels they plan to railroad him he'll blow himself up to spite them.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The idiot republicans let an narcissistic ideologue get the nomination. Trumps loyalty is to Trump. He will burn the damned republican party to the ground and laugh!
Let Trump be Trump I always say!
applegrove
(118,577 posts)further their own interests... GOP dogma states that this is never wrong.
cheyanne
(733 posts)If the big backers, the Mercers, decide he has to go . . .they can buy him off . . .and let him declare the election was fixed so he refuses to take part (face saving)
fierywoman
(7,679 posts)could offer him $100million to quit -- given his non-liquidity, he'd probably take it. (Sigh. But wouldn't it be funny if he agreed to the price, quit, and they only paid him 10 cents on the dollar? Karma's a b----.)
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)In their response, they also hurl the rw boilerplate bs accusations against the Clintons.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/08/gop-mega-donors-robert-and-rebekah-mercer-stand-by-trump/