2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDonald Trump’s threat to imprison Hillary Clinton is a threat to democracy
by Zack Beauchamp
October 9, 2016
There is no way to sugarcoat this: At Sunday nights presidential debate, Donald Trump threatened to throw Hillary Clinton in jail if he wins the presidency. This threatening to jail ones political opponents is how democratic norms die.
The exchange happened during a discussion of the controversy over Hillary Clintons private email server. Trump began by decrying Clintons conduct which, according to the FBI, was quite bad but not illegal. He then proposed appointing a special prosecutor to investigate her, and warned Clinton that, if he were president now, youd be in jail:
TRUMP: I'll tell you what. I didn't think I'd say this, and I'm going to say it, and hate to say it: If I win, I'm going to instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there's never been so many lies, so much deception
A very expensive process, so we're going to get a special prosecutor because people have been, their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you've done. And it's a disgrace, and honestly, you ought to be ashamed.
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In democracies, we respect peoples rights to disagree with each other. When one candidate wins a presidential election, the loser returns to private life or another government position. In some cases, former rivals become close friends. George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, who defeated Bush in the 1992 election, travel together and have spent decades jointly raising money to aid the victims of natural disasters.
They dont get sent to jail, because we believe that political disagreement should be legal.
read more: http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13222302/donald-trump-jail-hillary-clinton-second-debate
Wounded Bear
(58,694 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)MSNBC not so much
Trump's threat should trouble every American.
Wounded Bear
(58,694 posts)it's pretty serious.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,694 posts)not necessarily to kill, but to pull dirty political tricks on.
Still, yeah, it's serious if they're talking about using the justice department to take revenge on opponents.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Using laws to take revenge on people who don't vote their way is bad enough, stealing votes in predominately African-American communities is a despicable crime.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)imprison an innocent woman. The comparison isn't to Nixon, or even to Putin (who does have some constraints on his behavior) but to people like Turkey's Erdogan or Syria's Bashar al-Assad.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Eric Holder ✔ @EricHolder
So @realDonaldTrump will ORDER his AG to take certain actions-When Nixon tried that his AG courageously resigned. Trump is dangerous/unfit
9:41 PM - 9 Oct 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/eric-holder-nixon-trump-presidential-debate/
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Ezra Klein ?@ezraklein20 minutes ago
Donald Trump took it Facebook to make sure his supporters know hes dead serious about putting Clinton in jail
The Trump campaign wants the media to think You would be in jail is a joke. His supporters know its a promise.
Dara Lind @DLind dara@vox.com Oct 10, 2016
On Sunday night, during the second presidential debate, Donald Trump told Hillary Clinton that if he were president, you would be in jail.
It was a horrifying moment. It was the most authoritarian statement in a campaign that was already pretty authoritarian to begin with.
But after the debate was over, Donald Trumps campaign seemed to want people to think that it was just a joke.
Trump spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany defended it just that way. People in the audience at the debate were laughing, they pointed out, so it must have been a joke.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)for raping a 13-year-old girl
and doing business in Cuba
and +++
rickford66
(5,528 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)And his pussy grabbing boast will be key evidence.
He may not go to jail, but it will cost him a lot.
Meanwhile Democracy will breath a sigh of relief
that Trump's political career is finished
napkinz
(17,199 posts)but he'll still be around .... get ready for the Trump News Network (TNN)
C_U_L8R
(45,018 posts)Teevee for batshits
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Trump Breitbart Network
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Says it is shocking that a candidate would make such a threat (vowing to instruct his attorney general to prosecute a losing opponent).
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)and Cheney in the hoosegow for torture and crimes against humanity, right?
What's good for the goose . . .
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Two sides of the same coin:
Heads she wins and "Second Amendment people" are dispatched to make life difficult for Secret Service protection.
Tails he jails her.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Kidding, but you can understand the need for some do onto others as they would do onto you, I hope.
What is particularly alarming about this is that Trump would throw a whole lot of us in jail just for typing what we are saying today if he gets elected.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)He would go after the first amendment.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Threatening to jail political opponents isn't normal, and needs to be condemned
By Hunter Oct 09, 2016 = dKos
Is this really where we are? Apparently so: Dana Bash on CNN is veeeeery carefully pointing out that jailing political opponents is a threat people usually associate with other nations and other leaders like, in her words, "Hitler."
That's not something that should go away tomorrow. It goes to the heart of Trump's fundamental unfitness for office. Threatening to jail political opponents isn't something our nation can ever, ever normalize.
Heres the transcript:
Trump: If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. [...] There has never been anything like this with emails. [...] You know what, people have beentheir lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you have done. You should be ashamed. [...]
Clinton: Everything he said is absolutely false. [...] It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.
Trump: Because you would be in jail.
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Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Eric Holder @EricHolder
So @realDonaldTrump will ORDER his AG to take certain actions-When Nixon tried that his AG courageously resigned. Trump is dangerous/unfit
6:41 PM - 9 Oct 2016
8,869 Retweets
10,815 Likes
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Clinton won the debate by a bit, but she's going to win the aftermath by a lot as people digest Trump's promise to jail political opponents
This election in one tweet.
Jon Favreau @jonfavs
Trump disagreed with his running mate to praise the dictator who's trying to interfere with our election.
This is so dangerous.
Retweets 13,364
Likes 19,858
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]This man MUST NOT EVER BE ELECTED TO ANY POLITICAL OFFICE EVER![/font]
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Be afraid of any candidate who says he will order DOJ/FBI to act on his command This is dangerous/so is @realDonaldTrump-he's not qualified
No apology for phony birth certificate issue and questioning legitimacy of President Obama?? Shame on @realDonaldTrump
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)and promises to jail political opponents. I'm surprised he didn't say, "I'll send you to Siberia."
radius777
(3,635 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)That's how stupid he is. Given Trump would need a room full of attorneys watching his every sniffle and tantrum, Republicans might as well have run a four year old and his nanny. Oh wait.....
napkinz
(17,199 posts)How many times do we have to say DISQUALIFYING?
Rochester
(838 posts)and it won't get Trump elected, either.
Who else thought of that when he said it?