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[tonyt53]

1. It was so far over their heads that they could not understand.

[MANative]

9. ^^^^ We have a winner! ^^^^

[greatlaurel]

12. You have explained their reaction perfectly!

Thanks!

[Cosmocat]

21. And she delivered it is such a soft and thoughtful way

He totally took a statement she made out of context.

SO ... She didn't get all emotive or anything.

She just softly explained it all.

The dolt then launches some hair brained non-sequitur and instead of the media reporting that it was taken out of context all along, they gleefully cheer for his stupid ass quip which neither related to Lincoln OR the original point.

THEN, do their part in making it like she was a 50/50 partner in the 90 minute shitfest.

JC on a Fin stick ...

[LiberalFighter]

2. Same here. I was also perturbed by Trump claiming Lincoln never lied.

Different arguments work for different people.

[kacekwl]

3. They are back to the same BS now

that Trumpy has made it all better with his AMAZING performance. Good God

[Hortensis]

4. Nothing wrong. "Document revealed by Wikileaks corroborates this account."

Think Progress, with link to the leaked e-mail itself:

Clinton responds that she made the comment about public and private positions when talking about the movie Lincoln, in which Abraham Lincoln uses back room deals to secure the constitutional amendment to end slavery. The document revealed by Wikileaks corroborates this account. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927

... *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13]...

The problem for the hyena pack mentality is that they thought had a weak point to attack her on, something that'd get more hits on their pieces, and the truth is in the way.

[rumdude]

5. I can't believe it was part of her debate prep

I think she off-the-cuffed it, and it went way over peoples' heads.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

6. How many Trump supporters even saw that movie?

I mean... c'mon.

[imaginary girl]

8. didn't have to

I understood it without seeing the movie!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

16. How many Trump supporters would understand it without seeing the movie?

I mean... c'mon.

[csziggy]

24. I doubt most Trump supporters would have understood if they HAD seen the movie!

That movie was a very in depth depiction of the maneuvering that had to be done to get the amendment passed. It was not a simple bang bang shoot 'em up action flick. There was a lot of dialogue with a lot of innuendo and detailed context. Far beyond what the typical Trump deplorable is capable of understanding.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

29. Agree! I saw the movie when it came out and...

... understood immediately the reference to Lincoln's efforts to sway various politicians for the amendment.

Trump referred to the myth of "Honest Abe" right away, and many of his simpleton supporters would surely follow suit. Many of them live in a world of myths about the "good old days" anyway.

[qazplm]

7. her being disingenuous is baked in

so it cannot possibly be anything other than she's two-faced and any explanation she gives otherwise would have been seen as a lie.

[RobinA]

25. That, And The Fact

that her original point is way too sophisticated for the average black/white, good/bad voter these days. Hell the movie itself took some hits on this point and the habeus corpus thing. Heaven forfend Lincoln be accused of being a [gasp] politician.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

10. I have two positions on abortion and some other things

You can personally dislike and even loathe something while still supporting it politically simply because it is what is in the best interest of the majority of people. That is actually what true leadership entails. You MUST be able to set aside your own personal opinions in favor of what best serves society.

[Democat]

11. Thanks for joining DU to tell us TV hates Clinton

Good luck!

[KittyWampus]

13. Do you talk to your children the same way you talk to their teachers?

Of course you address different people according to their positions.

[athena]

14. I thought it was an excellent answer

that showed that the quote being circulated had been taken out of context. Trump's response was not only a non-sequitur; it was false. The phrase "I cannot tell a lie" is associated with Washington, not Lincoln. Furthermore, it is not true even about Washington:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/09/george-washington-never-chopped-down-a-cherry-tree/

First published by the biographer Parson Weems in 1809, ten years after Washington’s death, the story reportedly came from an old, unnamed neighbor who’d supposedly known Washington as a boy. However, it is the only historical source of the story, and as a legitimate source, it isn’t very credible.

Very little was known about George Washington’s childhood, especially his relationship with his father, who died when Washington was just eleven years old. Given that Weems is known to have copied and adapted several of his “George Washington” stories in that “biography” from English folklore to illustrate various traits George Washington supposedly exhibited in spades when he was an adult, and that Weems provides no firm evidence to back this particular tale, historians today consider the cherry tree story complete fiction.

HRC made a thoughtful statement that revealed how absurdly the right wing twists everything about her to make it look bad. Trump just rambled incoherently in response. And somehow, we're supposed to believe that Trump won the round.

[Cosmocat]

20. SPOT ON

On all points.

This country is just full on fucking stupid.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Now what is that term that applies here? Right on the tip of my fingers....

oh, yeah, it's called politics.



And a for Trump "not understanding." Like the self-proclaimed 'super deal maker' doesn't understand how deals are made? Sounds like the same kind of shit companies do when bidding deals and taking estimates.

[LeftInTX]

17. It also went over my head

Maybe it was the way the question was worded and within 2 minutes Hillary had to explain the context.
Time to answer was too short.

[athena]

28. I was satisfied with her answer.

I thought it was great, in fact. Please see my earlier post on this.

Her answer was great also because of what I will call its "shock value": first you hear the accusation that Hillary said a politician has a private face and a public face and that this makes her somehow duplicitous; then, you hear that in fact Hillary was quoting Lincoln. It is a great answer because it shows the double standard: something that is admired in Lincoln is despised in Hillary Clinton.

[BobbyDrake]

18. Nuance was banned from cable news decades ago.

It's a very nuanced position, one I happen to agree with. You have your stated public position on an issue for campaigning, and then a private position in negotiations that is more malleable, so as to facilitate compromising. But the private position still serves as a means to deliver on the stated public position when possible.

[Cosmocat]

19. She was being honest

it was clear, she explained the reference he was using against her in its full context.

He made some childish quip about it and the media in its need to knock her down ignored that he took the comment out of context and just gleefully are cheering for a quip that didn't even connect to the point.

THIS is the bullshit this country has to deal with.

[uponit7771]

22. Not enough one syllable words

[RobinA]

23. They Apparently

either didn't see or didn't understand that part of the movie. And instead of looking into it just started blathering.

[NCTraveler]

26. The TV doesn't like Clinton? Say it ain't so. Bwahahahaha. nt.

[C_U_L8R]

27. The problem is Republicans don't read

and apparently don't think too much either.

[pkdu]

30. You mean "the late , great Abraham Lincoln" ...even the audience had to laugh out loud at

the talking yam

[KT2000]

31. there was a book

that described how Lincoln got the 13th Amendment passed, likely at the time Hillary made the speech. It was discussed on some talk shows as if Lincoln did not make a strong enough stand against slavery but the point of the book was HOW he got it accomplished. Wish I could remember the name of the book.

[oberliner]

32. I don't get how saying you are different in private than in public is even controvertial

Everyone is different in private than they are in public.