I'm not happy with Hillary's speeches again

[AllTooEasy]

I'm voting for Clinton and straight ticket Dems. My vote has always been a Pro-Hillary vote, regardless of Trump's sickening behavior. Please take everything I say as an attempt to help.

Hillary, her campaign surrogates, and DUers keep harping on how the Access Hollywood tapes are so disturbing to women. OK, I get it, but what about married men?! She polling lower with men overall, probably married men too. She needs to emphasize how Donald went behind another man's back and tried to aggressively seduce(sexually assault) his wife. Hillary has an opportunity to reverse her deficit with a large demographic, and her campaign is too clueless to take advantage of it.

Men of all demographics abide by something called "The Guy Rules". Violation of these unwritten rules could result in penalties that range from "being ostracized from one's group of male friends" to "Instant Death". The penalty for moving on someone's wife "like a bitch" can be found in the Royal Beat Down Or Worse chapter of the Guy Rules manual. Trump even bragged apathetically about violating this rule with other married women. Hillary and her campaign could simply say "How can you trust a man with your country, if you can't trust him around your wife?". I'm sure her 6 and 7 figure speech writers can word-smith that statement better.

in addition, can they also start talking about the Howard Stern tapes...which are WORSE?! He called his daughter a piece of ass! DAMN!

C'mon Clinton campaign, screw the knife in him!!!

[stopbush]

1. Your concern is noted.

[Warren DeMontague]

2. This is all she needs to say: "my opponent has made it very clear who he is and what he's about"

"However, at least one candidate in this race should remain focused on the things that matter, namely leadership and policy in 21st century America. So that's what I'm going to talk about"

[Auggie]

4. + 1,000,000 ... the high road (n/t)

[CentralMass]

3. Decent men don't need an explanation.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

5. As the kids say, "Yeah,

no."

[ibegurpard]

6. no

Decent men will be horrified at his cavalier attitude towards violating another human being. Women are not property.

[jberryhill]

7. I don't know any men that think what he said is okay

[Buckeye_Democrat]

43. Same here! Not even in actual locker rooms!

I recall boys after gym class making remarks about girls supposedly exposing themselves while wearing loose-fitting shorts and underwear, but nothing about groping them uninvited!

[bravenak]

8. Decent men should already be on board.

[Democat]

9. Thanks for joining DU to tell us you don't like Clinton

[lillypaddle]

18. S/he has been a member since 2008

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Demsrule86]

29. We support Democrats on DU...

[lillypaddle]

34. Correct.

Maybe I read the post wrong. Didn't seem that the poster did not support Hillary. Expressed concern, which a number of people do. The comment to the post was that s/he had joined to criticize Hillary - I pointed out that s/he joined in 2008.

[Hekate]

10. "The Guy Rules"? Hillary isn't a guy. She's already doing everything exactly right...

The oaf was literally stalking her around the stage -- and she ignored his behavior. She ignored him. All he could do was snort and sniff and grunt and interrupt and lurch around looking enraged. I thought he might actually take a swing at her -- and the body-language message he was trying so pathetically to send was exactly that.

She ignored him.

All along Trump has tried to do to Hillary exactly what he did to his nearly 20 GOP opponents: get inside her head and invite her down into the gutter with him. With Hillary, he has 100% failed.

He opened the evening with the single filthiest move I have ever seen in my life -- and she ignored him. She told him to run his campaign however he wants to, period full stop no further comment on that ever.

Does it look like Trump has gotten inside her head? Does it look like she joined him in the gutter?

No.

So your concern is duly noted, and I suggest you take a break from worrying and GOTV.

PS: Her rally Monday had 18,500 people according to the Secret Service. All genders. Lotta men.

[sarae]

23. +1000

[Warren DeMontague]

31. He really seemed like the seething alcoholic abusive stepdad from central casting

Clenched teeth, Barely contained raaaaaaaaage, Like the fucking dude from "Dolores Claiborne". He was creepy as all get-out.

And you're right, it just rolled right off her. Half that stage was cheap circus tobacco juice and sawdust, the other half full-on presidential.

[UCmeNdc]

11. You have a good idea here

Many men do not appriciate the “other guy“ hitting on their wife or girlfriend。 If Hillary's campaign can label Donald Trump as that “other guy“ they may switch some of the white male vote。 Clinton's campaign will have to come up with some marketing concepts that says “Donald Trump will screw your wife if you do not pay attention”。

[Codeine]

13. My level 7 elven magic user has him beaten.

FIREBALL!! FIREBALL!!

[pinboy3niner]

14. Apparently his protective spell wasn't all that, anyway

[pansypoo53219]

15. whatever happened to him wanting to blink his own spawn?

[BainsBane]

16. So you want her to emphasize Trump's violation of men's property.

The problem isn't how he treats women but that he doesn't respect other men's territory, i.e. guy rules.

Hillary will never do that. She doesn't think like that, thank God.

[Stubborn]

24. Where did the OP say that how he treated women wasn't a problem?

You people are really reaching.

[mcar]

53. "You people"

What people would that be, exactly?

[Stubborn]

55. Everyone that disagrees with the OP.

I thought that was clear.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. I agree.

I think it's offensive to men, too, to assume the first or primary thing we're gonna hear or care about in those comments is some violation of some "bro code".

It's the assaulting he acknowledges that jumps out at me, and the fact that he believes it's something to brag about.

[Stubborn]

42. It's ALL bad. It's not that it's the "first or primary thing". It's that it's one of many things.

FFS.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Hillary is doing just fine.

She doesn't need to dissect those remarks endlessly. The people can savor their exquisite stench all by themselves.

[BainsBane]

47. Exactly. Nt.

[Stubborn]

56. I agree. I don't think the OP's strategy is a good one.

But, there are many reasons that everyone should be disgusted by Trump's comments and actions from that video.

[stonecutter357]

17. you seem very concerned.

[obamanut2012]

19. lolz

[NurseJackie]

20. This doesn't concern me at all. She'd doing fine. Also ...

... I'm voting for Clinton and straight ticket Dems, too.

[Demsrule86]

21. Such concern for a candidate that now has above a 90% chance of winning.

Democrats have not won the white male vote in many years.

[jcgoldie]

22. This is just sexist

Trump talks about assaulting women and you are concerned about how it affects their husbands? "Guy rules"...

[Stubborn]

25. What?

Clearly not getting it.

[LanternWaste]

65. It can be frustrating when our narratives are revealed.

It can be frustrating when our narratives are revealed. We must explain it otherwise by telling everyone they're simply "not getting it."

[obamanut2012]

26. yup

soooooooooooo obvious

[JTFrog]

44. Here let me mansplain it to ya......

HULK SMASH!!

Where do these guys come from?

[metroins]

28. I sorta agree

I'm not perfectly on-board with your entire post and I think Clinton herself is OK with men.

But I agree that the party largely ignores the male, predominately white male, vote. Her surrogates and the party as a whole could be reaching out a heck of a lot better.

I was speaking to my wife last night explaining how I'm not happy to be a part of the current democratic party which ignores the male vote and constantly attacks it.

I'm a huge fan of Hillary right now, but not a fan of the direction the party is headed. I see it spelling disaster in 2020 or 2024.

[Hekate]

61. Joe Biden is certainly a voice for the "predominantly white male vote." Always has been.

We all love Joe, and he's totally on board with Hillary Clinton and is out there being her surrogate and ambassador, if you will, to the "predominantly white male vote."

Or have you not noticed? The Democratic Party is reaching out to everyone in the country, including you.

[Mike Nelson]

32. Giving you...

...the benefit of the doubt. I think it's wise for Hillary to play it safe in this area. The tape touched a nerve, so keep mentioning that and move on to the issues she's been covering.

[emulatorloo]

33. They go low, we go high.

Clinton is doing great. The news and his responses are enough.

[Soxfan58]

35. As a man

Who was cheated on, I know how she felt. And I know what strength It must have taken for her to pick herself up, possibly all the way to the Oval office. So go ahead Mr. Trump keep reminding us why we all should admire Hillary.

[Adrahil]

36. I don't agree with that assessment.

HRC does NOT need to address men on this issue. Men who have women in their lives they love and respect are already outraged. Most reasonable men reject the idea of "Guy Rules." My wife does not belong to me, and neither does my daughter. My sense to protect them from this animal does not come from from other guy violating my "guy space," It comes because I love them, and absolutely will defend them, as they would do for me.

[NCTraveler]

37. "her campaign is too clueless to take advantage of it. "

[democrattotheend]

39. I think there's a better argument targeted at men

Which is that most men don't talk that way and Trump makes all men look bad when he tries to pass it off as typical male behavior.

I believe that you are coming from the right place though, and don't understand why people are jumping all over you. Constructive criticism is perfectly within the rules here.

[JTFrog]

45. When you grab the key points, Clinton surrogates "harping", "Guy Rules",

"her campaign is too clueless", but what about the menz....

Some of that jumps right out at those of us who have been battling sexism for decades.

[Hekate]

63. Yes indeed

[cynatnite]

40. Women make up 53% of the electorate....

She's winning college educated men by huge margins.

She's got this.

[GoCubsGo]

48. It would be idiotic to "screw the knife in him" with a month to go before the election.

Much better to let him die the "death by a thousand cuts" that they are inflicting on him now. They are dragging it out so he can keep hanging himself on an hourly basis, while taking his party out along with him.

[bettyellen]

49. Nope, she doesn't need to get into details of his need to make cucks of business partners...

Any men that need that to cross over? They don't deserve to be Democrats, fuck them.

They've already lost anyway and we're moving beyond them. Let a surrogate address it if they feel like it. Hillary is too smart to wrestle in his gutter. Stupid idea.

[msanthrope]

50. You seem concerned. Please feel free to air more of your concerns and enjoy your stay. nt

[whatthehey]

51. Any man stupid enough to need a presidential candidate to explain why Trump was wrong

Is too stupid to listen to one.

And yes that includes why he was wrong based not just on the norms of decent society but on the norms of frat-boy exaggerated masculinity in-groups too.

You're basically saying that men need Hillary Clinton to tell them to imagine their nearest and dearest being Trump's victims and what they would think of that. I think 99.9% of them got the idea within 10 seconds of hearing the quote.

[Lil Missy]

52. No reason to pile-on your opponent when they are busy going down in flames. n/t

[Squinch]

54. Maybe you should appoint yourself the campaign's Bro Code expert. Seeing as how her people are "too

clueless" to do things as well as you would on this score.

[Blue Idaho]

57. Well you've proved one thing...

The dumber the post more replies you will receive.

[MADem]

58. HARPING? They keep HARPING? "Guy rules?" Are you kidding me?

Screw the knife in him???

Good grief, this reads like a horrible attempt at parody. UGH.

[Hekate]

59. So concerned. So very concerned. "The Guy Rules" do not apply to women. HRC is a woman.

Didn't we already have this conversation about The Guy Rules?

just checked: yes, we did

[VulgarPoet]

60. The bro code is asinine, frat-boy espoused bullshit

better to suited to fat-ass louts with beer bongs and triple-Greek pins; any decent man has a lot more to be disgusted by here.

[cwydro]

62. Hillary is talking about issues, not some silly "The Guy Rules."

This is truly one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

[VOX]

64. Contact HRC's campaign HQ immediately and alert those clueless dolts about this concern.

It'll be a game-changer, a deal-breaker, a screwing-in of the knife that will blindside Trump & Pence. They'll be screaming for mercy. Hell, they'll probably just suspend all operations in the face of such withering tactical wizardry.