David Axelrod Is Lying On CNN

[Yallow]

He said the coming days were going to be rough for America.

I totally disagree.

I enjoy watching Trump melt down, and take the GOP scum bags with him. The last few days have been great.

Watching them (surrogates) claim groping women is fine if yer Jeezusy enough, because of ISIS is pure comedy.

Hearing all the lies about the Clintons is kinda depressing, but that has been going of for decades. Tuned it all out years ago.

[Yallow]

1. I Know This Is Serious - But Anyone Else Like The Trainwreck We Are Witnessing?

We will all remember this "next 28 days" for the rest of our lives.

[Glamrock]

5. I am

The karma express is a thing to behold!

[BobbyDrake]

6. Meh, this is no different than for the people who lived through other major historical events.

People are blowing this entirely out of proportion.

[Adrahil]

20. I take no joy in what happened to those women....

but I take enormous joy in him being exposed for the scum we knew him to be.

[Retired George]

22. Nailed it

[metroins]

21. America loses

I wish there was no trainwreck and our candidates were able to discuss issues and solutions. I wish Trump was a well thought candidate who would bring the right to the center and I wish Hillary was able to give us a platform to vote for.

America loses when we vote "the other guy is worse"; personally, I believe Hillary has a great platform but her campaign is so good at dirty politics and America wants dirty politics that she has to focus on how nuts Trump is.

I am not happy about the trainwreck, I am an adult who wants real answers.

[zipplewrath]

39. Bingo

Anyone noticed that we are still in the longest war in our history, and there has been virtually no discussion in 3 debates about the war, our conduct in that war, or what the future path will be? How many issues aren't being discussed that need to be? This train wreck is preventing us from having the discussions we need to have as a nation. Campaigns are suppose to set priorities and establish "mandates" for action. Lately we're getting to this place where all we do is figure out who is the less "terrible", not because of their policies, but because of their personalities. When the campaign is over, the winner isn't seen as the person that can best lead us in the direction we want to go, they're accepted as the "least worst" option we had. That doesn't leave us with a sense of direction, much less purpose.

[metroins]

44. I'm hoping the State of the Union address

Can get us a forward path and set some real goals.

I feel like 2016 is a loss politically, and I'm not saying that about Hillary winning, I mean for direction of the country.

Current wars and future wars need to be discussed in detail.

[Neema]

41. I understand the schadenfreude, but this insanity holds us all back as a species.

I enjoy seeing Donald Trump implode as much as anybody, but we have to progress, and quickly, if we want our species and the planet to survive. I feel like trying to fight off the worst among us is slowing down that progress greatly.

We shouldn't be at a point where we're still arguing about scientific facts like climate change; or we still have to explain why racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and other forms of bigotry are unacceptable; or we have to point out that it's the 1% not paying taxes and sending jobs overseas that's hurting our economy, not the supposed "welfare queens." And the more time we spend arguing what is fact, the less time we have to do anything about it before it's too late.

So while I laugh a bit at this train wreck, I'm mostly just sad to know that there are enough ignorant, ill-informed, angry people looking for someone to blame for their misfortunes that they'll latch onto Donald Trump and make him the Republican nominee for president. That's just so sad.

[Submariner]

53. I fully expect some Trumpsters to go to guns by November 9th

there will be dead people due to Trump-generated hate.

[jberryhill]

2. making a prediction with which you don't agree is not "lying"

OMG, the weather person lies all of the time then.

[Cha]

3. He's not "lying".. that's his opinion.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. I was just about to post the same thing almost verbatim.

[BobbyDrake]

4. David Axelrod thinks he has to say stupid things to be a good pundit, apparently.

He'll never be one of the "cool kids of cable news," though, but that doesn't stop him from embarrassing himself like this. Over and over and over...

Screw that guy.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. What's "stupid" or "embarrassing" about saying the lead-up to the election is going to be rough?

The Trump die-hards are going to get ever more desperate. They, and Trump, will lash out at anyone (sometimes physically). Trump is going to accuse Hillary of almost anything (his close associate Alex Jones has already called her a literal demon). Truth won't matter to his more rabid followers, and they will go crazy. And many of them are armed.

Because Trump is a candidate, whatever he says will be reported. The nutcases are going to be incited like never before. He's priming them to claim the election is rigged. He wants them intimidating voters at polling places.

[BobbyDrake]

45. David Axelrod is now a false equivalence merchant. I wish him nothing but failure.

He's a former Democratic campaign manager who now has nothing positive to say about Democrats. He's just relentless nasty, usually as a means of settling old scores from the 2008 campaign. Maybe he should have waited a few more years before signing with CNN, to get some therapy to help deal with all of his apparently endless grudges.

He's a media douche bag now, not an ally.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. OK, so nothing to do with this thread, then?

It might have been better if you'd started a separate thread for your feelings about him, rather than hijacking this one.

[BobbyDrake]

49. The thread is about Axelrod lying, which I agree he does.

Don't pretend you're the Thread Police, and don't try telling me what to do.

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. Oh, you poor thing!!!!

The OP is obviously wrong, as several people have pointed out, to call it "lying". It's a prediction, and a widely-held one at that. But the thread starter is mainly just saying they're going to enjoy watching the Republicans fall apart. They don't think he 'lies' in the way you think.

[RonniePudding]

57. '08 is over, time to close the yearbook

Axelrod has forgotten more about politics and what it takes to win campaigns than you could know in 10 lifetimes.

Try not to be so thin skinned. Also you might want to dust off your copy of Websters and look up the definition of lying.

[titaniumsalute]

8. I think he just means in general

This election is really not helping Americans in general. The vitriol out there is boiling over. The end of the election won't be the end all of course, but it should hopefully die down some of the insane rhetoric going on.

[Dem2]

9. I'm stressed out like many others are

I'm happy for you.

[NewJeffCT]

10. A trainwreck is dangerous

for the people in or near the train. If Trump goes off the rails further and incites neo nazi violence, it could get ugly.

[Lucinda]

11. I like the "Trump as chemotherapy" analogy

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2016/10/11/Trump-as-chemotherapy/stories/201610110024

The basic thought is that he's so toxic that he may "acid wash" away some of the evil lurking in the party.
They could certainly use the reboot.

[NCTraveler]

12. This is very rough on many of us women.

Watching so much of the country, and our friends, supporting sexual assault. It hurts and is rough. I also don't get how that can be called a lie. It is a general opinion on the state of the election. Pretty accurate for many of us.

I understand your position as well and don't think it's a lie just because many others feel differently.

[JI7]

14. agree

[bigbrother05]

24. Reporting on Trump should carry trigger warnings

They have been warning for language/subject matter, but based on the on screen reactions of many of the women pundits last night, this clearly will dredge up very unpleasant memories for many viewers.

[IADEMO2004]

13. It's no fun discovering people I know that still support Trump. It hurts.

[Cracklin Charlie]

15. I think he's right.

It's really rough now, and we've got most of a month to go.

[riversedge]

16. I do think it will be a rough several weeks for America--any beyond when Trump loses (unless

some unfathomable thing happens). I care less and less about Axelrod over the months. BTW--I do not think it is lying when folks give you an opinion

[Sunlei]

17. Only rough for Republicans but they screwed themselves long ago. Clinton will have a good 3rd-

debate, she will win the election. America will have another great D President. Plus she will have very loyal help from outstanding Americans-people like Obama, Warren, Sanders and Biden.

[Moostache]

18. He's right...this is NOT good for anyone in the long game.

Hillary is going to win and win big, but if the Democratic GOTV effort comes up short and the House and Senate stay in GOP hands, the win will be pyrrhic in the end. The GOP is wounded and the easiest path back to the good graces of their lunatic "base" is going to be non-stop Congressional "investigations" and ultimately a second impeachment on whatever the hell flimsy grounds they coalesce on.

Mark my words, without at minimum a Senate split and House within 5-7 seats the Clinton presidency will descend into complete chaos before the 2018 mid-terms.

The POTUS race is over, done, cooked, finished, history or whatever other term you like....the 45th presidency of the USA is hanging in the balance, if America and especially Democrats spend too much time rubber necking the carnage of the Trumpster fire, the government of the next 4 years may just slip away....

[Neema]

43. I wish I could recommend this a thousand times.

It's NOT good for anyone. Not just in elections.

[vlyons]

19. You are mistaken

Axelrod is expressing an opinion. An opinion is not the same as a lie. It IS difficult for many of us women to hear all these ugly sexual misconduct allegations, because they bring up memories of when we were assaulted and harrassed. Plus it's really depressing that such filthy accusations is what passes for politics these days. You are of course free to disagree with Axelrod's opinion. That doesn't make you or him a liar. While I'm happy that revelations about Trump's sexual misconduct is beneficial to getting Clinton elected, I take no pleasure in anyone's misfortune, even if that misfortune is well-deserved by their own bad actions. My opinion is that it's a sad time for our country.

I'm hoping that all this filth, vulgarity, and hatred can result in something positive. Our country needs to undergo some deep contemplation about personal morality, tolerance, and compassion for others. Greed, ignorance, and hatred are poison.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. It is rough that we have a major party nominee who is as destable as he is.

That's not a sobering thought to know that millions of people in this country thought and still think this is the best man to lead us.

Hopefully after November 8th it will be a lot less rough.

[UtahJosh]

25. I get Axelrod's point.

I have a lot of honest right-leaning friends who are in pain right now, trying to figure out the right path. They don't agree with Clinton's policies (that's fair, even if I don't agree), but can't in good conscience back Trump (also fair, and reasonable).

So they're left feeling isolated, and without a voice, all within spitting distance of the election.

If Edwards had made it further, only to be revealed some 3 weeks before the vote, with John McCain suddenly likely to win in a landslide, how would we have taken it?

It's fair to say that a large number of folks are feeling disillusioned and taken advantage of, as they surely have been, and that's not good for us as a whole. Go easy on them (as we gently encourage them to vote their conscience).

[still_one]

34. Axelrod's point I believe is that the Trump campaign is going to go full scorched earth, perhaps

even violent.

There isn't even a comparison between Hillary supporters verses Trump supporters. Trump supporters have shown their violent nature through this election season. The fact that Trump supporters subscribe to his racist and sexist diatribes more than anything else highlights that difference.

The whole trump campaign was based on Racism, Sexism, and xenophobia.

While Democrats would have been extremely disappointed if a similar thing occurred with a hypothetical Edwards McCain competition, McCain was NOT running on the same platform that trump is, which is racism and sexism. While it can be argued that Palin represented those very traits, she was NOT at the top of the ticket.

Also, if McCain was running against John Edwards when that garbage came out, there would be a much better probability that he would have dropped out, and the DNC would have replaced him, though either way the Democrats would have probably lost in that case.

This is a well-deserved pay back to the insanity that the republicans have been doing to this country. The way they treated President Obama is a disgrace, and they deserve every bit of pain that this is causing them.

Trump was the republican nominee, because he represented the values of the republican party to day. Racist, sexist, and xenophobic

[demotux]

26. Orange Ogler ...

... had been in the spotlight for most of his life, never cared for privacy. Now he reaps what he sowed. No pity from me. If that's the beginning of healing the US political landscape, bring it on!

[still_one]

28. I didn't see it, but I suspect you may be taking it the wrong way. The Trump strategy is to go full

scorched earth, and Bloomberg reported today that plans to launch major ad blitz by Bill Clinton's accusers in swing states, and utilizing the full propaganda input of Sean Hannity and fox to perpetuate this garbage.

Except for Trump's true believers, that will not move the populous toward him. What it may do is incite his supporters to become more aggressive, and violent against those not supporting trump, and that is what I think Axelrod may be referring to

Just the other day at a Pence rally there was a trump supporter calling for open revolution

[flamingdem]

29. Forget about equal time and consideration for Republicans (teaparty)

we need to drag them by their knuckles into reality.

They'll thank us for it later.

All hail to the destruction of the GOP!

[hedda_foil]

30. Do you understand that stating an opinion that disagrees with yours is NOT lying?

Because that's what Axelrod is doing here.

Lying means telling an untruth when one knows the untruth is false.

[anamandujano]

52. He's lying and he knows it. That's what Repukes do.

[former9thward]

59. So now Obama's campaign manager is a "Repuke"

Wow....

[anamandujano]

60. I didn't know that. I withdraw my statement.

I assumed this was another after the election story where Trump's people rise up and turn the country to chaos.

Now I interpret it as Trump going more ballistic as the days go by. This is already happening.

[Akamai]

31. Aside from the possible truth of his statements (Trump may disrupt voting in many areas),

Axelrod's words may be intended to motivate us and keep us focused on doing whatever we can to elect Hillary Clinton.

This is the point of Michael Moore's opinion piece on how Hillary has already lost -- if we don't do everything we can do to help Hillary win. If we do not have sense of very, very strong concern we may well pluck defeat out of the jaws of victory.

We have to run scared, day by day, hour by hour, until the election is over. Obama would urge us to do so.

[UCmeNdc]

32. GOTV

Everything else is a side story.

[brooklynite]

33. UNREC

The fact that you disagree with his opinion is not a reason to say he's "lying"

[still_one]

35. I also don't think the OP understands the point Axelrod is making. I suspect he is referring to how

ugly this is going to be in the remaining days, and it will. Trump is going on a full scorched earth policy, and that will not be pleasant

[Yallow]

36. Understand Friend? I Truly Hate Republicans (The Party)

Sorry.

Watching their great white hope being destroyed (by his own actions) makes my day.

Republicans will be less able to help their billionaire friends rob my family in the coming years because of Trump's fail.

That makes me happy.

Our country has a lot of problems, and a lot of it is now out in the open.

Good for us.

The haters are gonna hate, as I hate.

My hate is based on what they do to me, and my planet, not Breitbart.

[still_one]

48. I wasn't questioning you sincerity, only that I believe you were misstating what Axelrod actually

meant

[George II]

40. Expressing an opinion is not "lying".

[PoliticAverse]

42. You're lying about Axelrod lying. n/t

[Yallow]

54. Axelrod Should Have Said 20% Of America Will Have A Rough Time

The rest of us are enjoying the show!

[stevenleser]

51. I agree with Axelrod. There is nothing fun about this. It's an ugly election even with us winning.

And I agree with the polling aggregation sites that say we have around an 85% chance of winning.

There is nothing fun about this and there are no issues to discuss because Trump isn't an issue candidate. He is running on a cult of the personality with his supporters.

We Obama supporters were accused of the same thing, but if Barack had done half of the things Trump has been shown to have done, many of us would not have supported him. There doesn't seem to be anything Trump can do wrong that would dissuade his supporters.

[Lil Missy]

55. That is not lying. He's entitled to an opinion.

[ellenrr]

58. I am enjoying the meltdown too. I hope I see him actually melt, on TV,

like into a liquid pool.
I don't actually think I will see him come apart on TV, bec he is a psychopath, and they have no remorse, but it would be fun.