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How is Howard Stern exempted from blame
His giggling encouragement of drumph is at least as bad.
I never listened to his puerile talk show as he is repugnant.
The clips with drumph are sickening enough.
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Maru Kitteh
(31,763 posts)I've never listened to the creature myself but who the eff cares what Stern said? Trump's first run for President was in 2000 as candidate for the reform party.
Towlie
(5,577 posts)... and Trump should lose for the same reason. Let him get his own radio program.
On the other hand you could look at Stern like that woman journalist who interviewed Mark Fuhrman and testified at the O.J. trial. She was in "journalistic mode" and refrained from influencing the person she was interviewing.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)TRump is.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Donald Trump is.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)And he's been quite effective at it.
Grown2Hate
(2,216 posts)that you'd NEVER hear anywhere else (and not just "saucy" information; his format allows him to interview someone for 1-2 hours straight, with no interruptions, and it leads to some of the best interviews I've EVER heard from people like Lady Gaga, Sia, Neil Young, Madonna, Bill Murray... an endless list; that's just some from the last year or two).
The fact that he extracted such gold from this fool (tRump) and is a Hillary supporter is fantastic in my book.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)That he was one of the celebrity worlds' best interviewers.
Couldn't find the quote but I found this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/arts/howard-stern-sirius.html
That he supports Hillary is great, though, but a bit unsurprising.
ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)Stern supports Hillary.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)There is a difference.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Hawaii Hiker
(3,168 posts)it's really good....As matter of fact, when Andersen Cooper was on his show about a year ago, he praised Howard for his interviewing abilities...
Last week Howard had Ben Stiller on, who talked about his recent battle w/prostate cancer....It was a very good interview...
And final point, Howard Stern is not running for POTUS....
PragmaticLiberal
(932 posts)When Howard chooses to forego the "Shock Jock" persona, he actually is a very good interviewer.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)to anything Stern spews. I don't want to have to take a shower after each segment. But in his defense, it's what he gets paid to do: shock his audience any which way he can. But there's no excuse for Trump since he's been seeking to run for the presidency since 1988.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)It's interesting that Trump and Stern are both from New York. There's something wrong with that place!
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Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)... at a New Yorker here who makes similar generalized remarks about Ohio. 
Mass
(27,315 posts)He has been attacked for exactly what you are describing for years.
But, as others said, he is not running for president.
Stern has been a controversial figure both loved and reviled by people. He moved from terrestrial to satellite radio years ago because of the heat that he took for what he said on air.
People are always going to say and ask stupid things. Howard Stern was a very well known commodity when Trump went on his show. Stern's content was well known to anyone paying attention. Daily obsession with sex, strippers, genitalia, etc... It was a show for adults with very adult topics. Trump knew exactly what Stern was about. He could have handled the question differently and there would not be any problem now.
Like many others have said, the difference is that Stern is a radio shock jock, who has suffered consequences for his antics. Donald Trump is a man who thinks he is dignified and qualified enough to be running the country. That is a HUGE difference with regards to that exchange.
PJMcK
(25,048 posts)Those are very good points, Caliman73, in your second and third paragraphs. My only quibble is your explanation for Mr. Stern's emigration to satellite radio.
He moved his show because the satellite services offered him a lot of money, (I believe it was $100 million). The additional benefit for him was that he would be free from FCC profanity regulations. Given that he had pushed his schtick as far as possible, this was a good move for him both creatively and business-wise.
Additionally, he was in on the cusp of the new technology and his popularity helped the satellite providers establish their new business models. It appears to have been a mutually beneficial business arrangement.
I'm not a fan of Mr. Stern but I observe the entertainment businesses as part of my work in the music industry. The most important point you made was that Howard Stern is a very well-known personality. Donald Trump went on his show fully aware of the direction their conversations would lead.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)Good information.
Renew Deal
(85,167 posts)Obviously he didn't know Trump would be running at the time
Eric J in MN
(35,639 posts)I don’t dislike Trump as a candidate but I am absolutely enamored by Hillary. And I’ve told Donald that. Hillary as a president was sort of dream of mine for a long time. I thought she was an excellent senator.
redwitch
(15,262 posts)Thanks to him we have all kinds of ammo to use against the jackass.
Sanity Claws
(22,413 posts)but apparently he is able to interview The Donald effectively. He got The Donald to say very incriminating things.
Super Iridium
(20 posts)Howard actually does a decent job of interviewing people and making the interviews compelling and humorous for listeners. If you ever sit down and compare any of Jon Stewart's fawning, boring interviews with even the worst interview done by Stern, you would know the difference instantly.
And no, it's not because Howard is necessarily a "shock jock". His brand or style is more about deflating the pompous in a funny or surprising way. When I listen to Stern interview Trump, I get the feeling that Stern is also kind of winking at the audience as he asks each question, and the joke is actually on Trump. It's like Stern is saying, "Look at how raunchy and inappropriate I can get with this stuck-up billionaire. He's basically a pervert, and not afraid to say so!"
Stern has lots of other guests on his show who aren't rich and powerful, and you'll notice that he doesn't trot out the nasty sex talk with any of them. That talk is reserved for people that Stern wants to bring down a few pegs, or at least that's how I see it.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)He's just a dumb shock jock. He is not to blame for anything Dumpster Fire has done. That's all on Dumpster Fire. He just provided the forum for Dumpster Fire running his mouth off.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It is quite plain you've never heard the Stern show...or seen the broadcasts on TV with the naked women in all their (pixelated) glory.
1. Howard Stern's show is ABOUT rank sexism and sex. It's his stock in trade. Women willingly go on the show to have their assets "graded" by Stern. It is a "bro" show for nitwits who like to giggle about boobs and behinds, the sorts of guys who watch a lot of porn and don't have a lot of dates.
2. There's no 'shock' or 'surprise' here--Stern is doing what Stern does (there's a dial, mercifully, on that radio for a reason). He's entertaining obtuse pigs--but what he's NOT doing is running for POTUS.
So it's not "at least as bad" -- not as bad as Drumpf, and not as bad as "Billy Bush" who was SUPPOSED to appeal to an audience that skewed heavily towards women, unlike Stern, whose audience is mostly sad and objectifying males.
underpants
(196,502 posts)I'm adding not mansplaining 
People go on Stern not realizing that it's Stern plus at least 4 who goad, encourage, and cheer as the interviewee continues to spill the beans. They are in his den and he surrounds the subject with people assisting him. One hard question gets a joke or a similar experience related from someone else - someone agrees with the joke - someone asks the question again in some way - everyone is laughing - the interviewee feels like they are just adding in with the answer to the question.
Trump didn't need this encouragement to talk about himself but that atmosphere does bring out more of a response than would normally be given. From the number of Trump's appearances and the commonality of his responses it's clear that he was aware of the situation and his responses reflected what he wanted to say.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Stern, too, likes to ask probing (no pun intended) questions of a sexual nature, as well--and encourages his guests to get nasty.
Anyone who goes on that show, who has listened to it previously, knows EXACTLY what they're getting into, too. It's SUPPOSED to be a little bit lewd, it appeals to people who like to be inappropriate in their daily lives, and people who go on there feel like they almost have PERMISSION to be a bit crude, because crudeness is the norm in that milieu.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)This thing called the First Amendment protects his sorry ass.
GoCubsGo
(34,915 posts)It's no different than bringing up Bill Clinton's past. Donald Trump has no one to blame for his own words but himself. And, so fucking what if Stern encouraged him? It was his responsibility to not take the bait, not Stern's.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Absolutely gross, disgusting, and degrading to women show. What in the world was Robin Gibbons doing on his radio broadcasts?
MADem
(135,425 posts)She eggs on the guests, but if the conversation goes far afield, she will make a comment on the appropriateness of the remarks--she doesn't 'Carrie Nation" the situation, though she will put the brakes on if it gets too-too gross.
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/radio-personality/robin-quivers-net-worth/
About Robin Quivers
American radio personality and author Robin Quivers has an estimated net worth of $45 million, with yearly salary of $10 million. She is best known for having acted as the straight woman and co-host for nearly two decades on the popular, controversial Howard Stern Show morning radio broadcast.
As a result, Quivers is one of the most popular female radio personalities in the U.S. She made her feature film debut in Howard Stern‘s autobiographical comedy Private Parts (1997).
She is the highest paid person on the Howard Stern Show other than Howard. Quivers has appeared on sitcoms like The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and Deadly Web. She has also made many self-appearances, including guest spots on Larry King Live, The View and 60 Minutes. Quivers released her autobiography, Quivers: A Life in April of 1995. Quivers was born on August 8, 1952 in Baltimore, Maryland, USA.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)but the point still remains as you have written.
beachbum bob
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Blue Idaho
(5,500 posts)suffers from a state of arrested development? He's a twelve year old boy trapped in a lecherous old body.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)msanthrope
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Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)I've had Sirius Radio long before Howard Stein started broadcasting on Sirius, I have yet to even visit his channel.
On Election Day I want Trump out of my life too.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)I do know plenty of progressive and center left folks who love the show. Most people offended have never listened to the show or are operating off of 30 year old information. Stern has moderated his behavior to the point some longtime fans have stopped listening. The OP's opinion is a garden variety opinion from the uninformed re: Stern.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Stern's entire schtick is to get people to degrade themselves on his show.
And Trump eagerly played along, like a desperate little beta eager to ingratiate himself to the alpha, because he was so addicted to attention.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)my sister said...oh but wait until the Howard Stern tapes come out. They'll sink him. She's listened to Stern for years as he can be mildly amusing.
She called it many months ago.
BTW, she's a republican who has decided on Hillary and now says "I don't listen to any of the Talking heads anymore. I've made my decision. I don't need to know anything more about the guy."
She's got a point ~
Thrill
(19,342 posts)Not to be taken seriously. He's a punk, a dog, and a pig.
Sorceress
(311 posts)Howard Stern isn't running for president. I can simply choose not to patron his show. Trump is applying for the position of president with no resume to speak. What I don't understand is all of this deflecting. First, it was Billy Bush's fault. Then, it was Hillary's fault and now it is Howard Stern's fault?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Howard Stern is an entertainer, and he has a constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech in this country, even if it is repugnant speech. Which it is.
Where we are to blame, as a society, is in enabling this kind of speech and entertainment to be commercially successful. I've never listened to Howard Stern, because what I know of the show makes me not want to. But why have I not spoken out against it? How many kids, young boys and girls, listen to this and think this is the way people are supposed to behave, and that this is the kind of behavior we have to accept?
Why do we watch all these offensive shows that degrade women and never say anything? I count myself as one of the guilty ones for not writing or calling to express my dismay. I'm as guilty as anyone for letting this infiltrate our culture.
So if I sound like Tipper Gore a bit ... boo-yah. Perhaps it's time that we all, as citizens, start boycotting, shaming, and speaking out against the kinds of sexist, violence-glorifying, and uncivil entertainment that makes media companies wealthy. It's not censorship--it's called expressing our opinions.
BainsBane
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Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)very liberal Democrats. We have had a few discussions about our differing views about Howard, as well as about reality shows, of which they are also fans.
My argument has always been that both of these forms of entertainment normalize crass, rude, often cruel behavior. I saw a study a few years ago that showed that seeing/hearing that sort of behavior on such shows did have the effect of making people imitate it and think it acceptable. I'll have to see if I can find that study again.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)BainsBane
(57,757 posts)We can worry about him then.
He'll have to fight it out with Alex Jones. Jones has the edge.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)He is also not running for an office where a larger audience needs to approve or disapprove of his "style".
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)that will willingly and cheerfully take off their clothing and INVITE that guy to touch their "private parts" and grade them, rather like fruits. These are the people who appear, nekkid as jaybirds, on his show. They get a charge out of it.
I don't know if he's had any naked guys on the show, but I imagine there are some who are willing to be 'judged' by Howard as well -- you just can't predict what people will do, or what might give them a kick.
Stern enjoys making jokes with sexual innuendo and talking about sex with people who come to him to do just that. He's not sneaking up on anyone-they know what he is about.
Cakes488
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randr
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LeftRant
(524 posts)He's a pale shadow of what Trump is. He speaks like a normal, caring person about his wife, kids.
I'm struggling to defend him otherwise. He spent decades making huge bank by (largely) sexually objectifying women. He may be a better person on the inside, but he has still taught young men that this behavior is acceptable, laudable even.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)Assaulted anyone, as far as we know. He's not running for office, either. So, what would you suggest should happen to him?
Personally, I pay no attention to him, and have never listened to him. He's nothing to me. He is giving us more evidence to attack Trump, I guess..
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Right now, we need to be concerned with the very dangerous person who actually is running for president.
Zambero
(9,990 posts)Tasteless to the max, but no real surprises with his presentation. The term "shock jock" was coined with him in mind. To his credit, Stern is smart enough not to be running for elective office.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Distasteful as his shtick is to many, Howard Stern's persona has always been that of an off-color, puerile gadfly and lowbrow bad boy. Take him or leave him, since with Stern, wysiwyg. He never had any farther-reaching ambitions that I'm aware of.
IMO, he has contributed to the culture's growing lack of civility and general rudeness. He's way too "I just discovered this naughty word" pre-teen for my taste, but a lot of people like him, liberal and conservative alike.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)hit the air waves I have not understood why men and women tune into that garbage fest show. And how he just gets a pass on the things he says. The man is not even funny. He managed to get himself designated as "cool" so cool guy wanna-bes like Trump get tricked into thinking it's ok to talk like that in public. Now one has been caught big time.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)are not unalike, although Stern is way smarter and has some self awareness. They both have been successful at cultivating a following by shoveling garbage to an audience who craves it. In Stern's case he shovels misogynistic crap and in Trump's case he feeds the anti-other feelings of pretty much the same gang. Both are rich, pathetic man-boys.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Of course you didn't.
JI7
(93,617 posts)or anything else.
TrogL
(32,828 posts)There's half a dozen so far in this thread.
I used to listen to his show daily until the Presidential campaign heated up and I switched to POTUS. Now there's times I can't tell the two apart.
Guests who come on the Stern show know exactly what they're getting themselves in to. They know they've gone down the rabbit hole and Stern will ask anything. The key is how they take the bait.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)I