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CNN poll predicted Romney and Obama would be tied in 2012 (Original Post) molova Oct 2016 OP
One of the most interesting tales from the 2012 saltpoint Oct 2016 #1
I haven't seen the poll Dem2 Oct 2016 #2
CNN has Trump up by 4 in Ohio, so my guess is that the OP is ranting that CNN/ORC is a bad pollster Mass Oct 2016 #3
Thanks Dem2 Oct 2016 #5
Exactly. Some details and context would be nice. I detest them too. Stand and Fight Oct 2016 #4
just average your polls Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #6
RCP and HuffPo average polls, yet the averages are different molova Oct 2016 #9
yep. they are both fine. Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #10
Nate silver said add 4 points to cnn polls for clinton Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #7
Every time Maggot tanks MFM008 Oct 2016 #8

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
1. One of the most interesting tales from the 2012
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:28 PM
Oct 2016

presidential race was that Romney, up to the last few hours of election night, was absolutely convinced he would win.

That may be why Karl Rove was spouting psychotic babble about missing Ohio votes all over cable, that is, even more virulently than he usually spouts psychotic babble.

It might be interesting to see what Romney's internals missed and see if the same variable applies to the 2012 CNN poll.

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
2. I haven't seen the poll
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:28 PM
Oct 2016

and I won't give right-wing RCP any clicks - so what did this post inform me of?

Mass

(27,315 posts)
3. CNN has Trump up by 4 in Ohio, so my guess is that the OP is ranting that CNN/ORC is a bad pollster
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:36 PM
Oct 2016

Reality is that the Ohio race is way closer than it should be. The good news is that, with VA and PA way in Clinton camp, she does not need Ohio as much (though it would be good if she could win it).

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
5. Thanks
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:43 PM
Oct 2016

It is close - just checked Huffpo average is Clinton +2.2 including this likely outlier poll.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
10. yep. they are both fine.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 10:10 PM
Oct 2016

They both capture a decent estimate of the center of the distribution.

And HuffPo imposes a smoothing on the data that RCP doesn't use, which probably makes it a bit better. But both still fine.

(and if you want to do even better, take the median of your polls)

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
8. Every time Maggot tanks
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:59 PM
Oct 2016

A CNN poll tries to save his ass. Same thing happened after her convention spike.

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