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Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:43 PM

Trumps under-age teen sex parties - Where are the victims?

Before I ask my questions, I have to state that I early-voted for Hilary, I supported Bernie early-on and am a lefty. I've read all about the women complaining about Orange-face groping them and his sexual assaults. Trump disgusts me in every way. That said, have any of you wondered why the teen Trump sex party victims have not spoken-up? Have they been paid off? Do they exist? How does an investigative reporter find them? How do they feel about Trump?

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:47 PM

1. As for speaking up, they would be scared.

 

As for this being true...I don't know. Let's see what happens in court.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:50 PM

2. They may have quiet, respectable lives and jobs

they can't afford to lose, like being a teacher. Some employers will fire people embroiled in sex or political controversies, etc.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:15 AM

16. +infinite.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:50 PM

3. Under the hotels made with Chinese steel?

 

That's where I would look first!

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:50 PM

4. Same reason most sex assault victim don't speak out

Is there an up side to rehash this and turning their lives upside down
Many just want to move on
Many feel responsible for what happened
Some may think they did that willingly (they were groomed for this abuse) do don't think anything wrong happened even though it was a crime

Thats like a 15 year old girl getting into a bar with fake I'd and picking a older guy there who knows she isn't really 18

The girl may not see herself as a victim but it is still a crime committed by the guy

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:51 PM

5. Your concern is duly noted. nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:16 AM

10. Concern, yes

But legitimate questions given the circumstances. The Women that have been sexually assaulted by Trump have been coming forward as more allegations appear. It made sense to me then that teens assaulted by Trump et al might feel that it's finally OK to speak out. Where are they? Will they speak out as more attention is brought to this issue:

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-held-cocaine-and-sex-parties-with-underage-teen-girls-report-details-001207895.html

By the way, your response sucks Xipe Totec.

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Response to Goblor (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:01 AM

13. Goblor, I'm in agreement with Xipe Totec on this. Though I tend to defend question-asking, . . .

it's hard to see yours as a legitimate question, unless you really are exceedingly naive to a truly amazing degree. Much psychological and sociological research has been done in this area and a lot of it can be found through simple online searches.

Consider the case of an animal, say a stray dog or cat, that is tormented by some people. It runs away. It tries to find a safe place where it can't be hurt anymore. People are not that different in their fundamental responses. Note that the abusers don't generally abuse wolves, bobcats, mountain lions or even feral pit bulls -- the abusers pick victims that are not likely to attempt any retaliation. Habitual abusers become skilled at victim selection.

Powerful men who seek to abuse helpless young women deliberately select victims who seem unlikely to be either willing or able to pursue remedies. There are unfortunate cases where those few that do attempt retaliation suffer serious additional abuse and even death. Sometimes foreign girls are tricked into coming to a western country through the promise of work, and then find themselves prisoners. In some cultures, girls who are victimized are blamed for their own victimization, and might be ashamed to admit what has happened to them. They may be afraid to go to the police even if they can escape, because in many places the police will return them to their abusers, and the girls cannot know with certainty whether that will happen or not. Threats of death are not unheard of. Beatings are not rare. Even if the girls are not prisoners, they might very well be afraid of rich, powerful, vindictive and sadistic abusers. Look at the threats of lawsuits against the grown women who have come forward -- there is no reason to assume that litigation would be the worst threat to be feared. You can find out these things by simple Google searches, if you honestly have questions about why these victims have not attempted to strike back at the perpetrators.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Tue Oct 25, 2016, 11:54 PM

6. My observation: it takes about 20 years for sexual assault survivors to speak out.....

...particularly if they were very young at the time of the rape or incest. The sense of isolation, the destruction of self-worth, the fear that their families may be hurt by the perpetrator -- all conspire to keep a girl silent.

However, once the trial starts for the woman who says she was raped at age 13, I fully expect a trickle of now-adult women to begin speaking in public, and if it proceeds with a certain amount of media coverage, I expect more will come forward.

As with the Bill Cosby cases, women took courage from other women. Even when the statute of limitations had run out, they felt they could lend support to others and bear witness to a pattern of behavior.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:09 AM

8. What's the upside to reliving their childhood trauma? nt

 

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:11 AM

9. They could have became drug addicts and eve died. From one of the articles

 

it seemed like some girls were interested in drugs.

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Response to zonkers (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:11 AM

14. Also the drugs could have caused memory problems -- as could the abuse itself . . .

It is not rare for the subconscious mind of a person who has been traumatized to block the painful memory from conscious awareness, sort of a selective amnesia. Remembering bad stuff can be painful.

Some types of drugs may have been used partly to help them forget previous traumas -- just as people sometimes drink alcohol to forget. For that matter, Rohypnol, ketamine and what-not "date rape" drugs could have been used on them without their understanding what they were getting.

Beyond that, the word of a drug user is less likely to be believed by authorities and courts, compared to the word of an apparently upstanding successful businessman. She might realize this and not even try to fight back after the fact.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:17 AM

11. They exist...

...but may be:

a) dead
b) alive but into drugs and/or a life of prostitution
c) have no idea that they even were at a party or parties with Trump, met Trump, and/or were abused by him or his buddies at these parties due to drug use/memory loss
d) have moved on in life and don't want anyone to know about their past experiences (due to shame)
e) Are going to speak up and are meeting with Gloria Allred now, about to come out soon.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:12 AM

15. Charlotte, right, positive identification could easily be a problem. Another good point.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:00 AM

12. While I agree that unless there are solid sources this should be something

The Clinton campaign stays far away from, there are obvious reasons we may not hear from these women.

Many probably long ago put this behind themselves and went on with their lives. They now may have marriages or careers that they fear could be put in jeopardy.

Some may blame themselves for having been there. Read the article. Years ago, they might have been accused of having put themselves in that situation because they wanted to be successful models. In fact, if true, it was Trump and these men who were despicable and disgusting and they were taken advantage of.

There are SOON many well sourced stories that show what a sleaze Trump is. It would be terrible if provable stories lose credibility because something like this comes out and is proven to have unreliable people behind it.

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Response to Goblor (Original post)

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:17 AM

17. Well, it's really good that you're a "lefty."

Truly. However, it's unlikely that many victims from that period will come forward. It was a long time ago, and most of them are doing other things with their lives. Anything they said would simply be "she said" evidence. Without corroborating evidence, there's no there there. I'm glad you've already voted for Hillary Clinton. Thanks.

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