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MineralMan

(146,413 posts)
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:52 PM Oct 2016

Please do not use "Democrat" as an adjective on DU.

That usage was promoted by Newt Gingrich as a minimizing agitprop strategy back in the 1990s.

Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.

Democrats vote. Democratic voters vote. Democrat voters do not exist.

There is no Democrat Party. Democrat is a noun. The correct form is Democratic Party.

There are no Democrat legislators. There are Democratic legislators, Congress members and Senators. Democrat is a noun, not an adjective.

There has never been a Democrat President. There have been several Democratic Presidents.

This rule should be strictly followed by Democrats when referring to other Democrats. We need to get it right, each time and every time. Otherwise Newt Gingrich wins.

Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.

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Please do not use "Democrat" as an adjective on DU. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2016 OP
Very well written. I'be been fighting this for long time. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #1
So have I -- IndianaDave Oct 2016 #108
Thank you Hekate Oct 2016 #2
Yeah when I see Republicans or somebody talking about the Democrat Party Dem2 Oct 2016 #3
I agree Ccarmona Oct 2016 #45
Those are not actually "Republicans" ... nikto Oct 2016 #132
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Thank you!!! Far too often I see that mistake. RKP5637 Oct 2016 #4
Don't assume it's a mistake. nt msanthrope Oct 2016 #9
Good point, now I get it! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2016 #29
and sometimes trolls are such idiots they use the term on liberal blogs certainot Oct 2016 #166
That is correct, because if you correct them, some will say ... SFnomad Oct 2016 #90
Dubya delighted in doing it. tavernier Oct 2016 #96
Not a mistake. This is MSM compliance to GOP re-labeling. First instance I saw of this... Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #102
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2016 #117
Yup, Newt. Nothing like demeaning someone's worth by mispronouncing their name. misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #5
oops Ardoewaan Oct 2016 #6
Thank you, MM! eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #7
Well freemay20 Oct 2016 #8
Grammar matters. It truly does. MineralMan Oct 2016 #12
While I agree with you about the use of "Democrat" vs. "Democratic" as a way of tblue37 Oct 2016 #68
I try and point out their poor grasp on the English language when I see someone purposely do this Maraya1969 Oct 2016 #83
unfortunately it will be used by half the country and many in the media certainot Oct 2016 #170
I'm not sure I agree that it's a tell... Blanks Oct 2016 #183
...and it's "their" not "they're" Ligyron Oct 2016 #35
I think the poster was making a funny... Lochloosa Oct 2016 #39
Yes, because if you'll notice, the poster got all three of their/there/they're wong. n/t SFnomad Oct 2016 #91
"There's revolution in th'air." Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #104
And it's grammar, not grammer. Funneeee! nt Still Blue in PDX Oct 2016 #167
There you go again... Lochloosa Oct 2016 #37
Their heads... maddiemom Oct 2016 #59
Such an easy reminder for all Doitnow Oct 2016 #129
Amazing freemay20 Oct 2016 #160
+1000 ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2016 #11
Yup! sheshe2 Oct 2016 #16
And the (so called liberal) media is guilty of it too. progressoid Oct 2016 #20
Rachel Maddow often says "Democrat Voter" & I want to scream stuffmatters Oct 2016 #50
In all seriousness... thejoker123 Oct 2016 #58
It matters because the party name "Democratic" refers to our democratic ideals. pnwmom Oct 2016 #75
Point taken thejoker123 Oct 2016 #128
I agree...this is the least thing that I care about or is on my mind. Cakes488 Oct 2016 #78
Usually when I read "Democrat Party" jcgoldie Oct 2016 #21
When I read it... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #140
^^ Winner ^^ Coyotl Oct 2016 #162
Every once in a while, I screw that up. It's so easy to do, and then fall into that rut. Thanks. TheBlackAdder Oct 2016 #22
This is the result of Conservative Think Tanks.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #23
It could be. You hear that shit so often, that it becomes part of the normal vernacular. TheBlackAdder Oct 2016 #26
The only grammar mistake that drives me bonkers is when someone uses women NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #24
my personal pet peeve: barbtries Oct 2016 #41
That would be "chafes my bum" geardaddy Oct 2016 #77
lol...I missed a typo! NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #106
LOL geardaddy Oct 2016 #124
I hate that one, too! moose65 Oct 2016 #92
Worst possible punctuation gaffe, forget the comma, "I'm sorry I love you" Coyotl Oct 2016 #163
Should of, instead of should've... Blanks Oct 2016 #178
I always call out rightwing assholes, who use this term, on their bad grammar. MoonRiver Oct 2016 #25
My dad, who is rabidly right wing, SalviaBlue Oct 2016 #171
That's a good one! MoonRiver Oct 2016 #190
It drives me nuts PatSeg Oct 2016 #27
Not only have right wingers been using democrat as an adjective, they have been using it as a Augiedog Oct 2016 #30
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! calimary Oct 2016 #31
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2016 #32
I bet that many of the instances of "Democrat" here on DU central scrutinizer Oct 2016 #33
Or EVER! It just sounds ignant. ffr Oct 2016 #34
why does it seem as if the right always manages to insert this kind of shit barbtries Oct 2016 #36
The "liberal" media....... WcoastO Oct 2016 #38
Thank you very much for this post Mira Oct 2016 #40
K&R! DemonGoddess Oct 2016 #43
I like proper grammar. nt retrowire Oct 2016 #44
The Great Keith Olbermann to GWB 90-percent Oct 2016 #46
when i used to watch tweety, i did hear him call rethugs out on this n/t luvmybluestate Oct 2016 #53
Yes PatSeg Oct 2016 #176
Gingrich is an obscenity bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #47
Thank you mcar Oct 2016 #48
I Fixed It. stonecutter357 Oct 2016 #49
Actually, from what I read the adjective term "Democrat" first surfaced in the 1930s.... George II Oct 2016 #51
You are correct: TonyPDX Oct 2016 #86
That's a good article, thank you. I've seen several write ups of it over the years, and they all... George II Oct 2016 #112
democrat, intended to rhyme with "rat." they were well aware. luvmybluestate Oct 2016 #52
I hate it when some GWC58 Oct 2016 #54
When used here on DU, it's a 'tell'... FailureToCommunicate Oct 2016 #55
I joined DU in 2004 iwillalwayswonderwhy Oct 2016 #56
Thank you, MineralMan! maddiemom Oct 2016 #57
I have called it out here too frazzled Oct 2016 #126
Whenever I see that, I automatically assume that it's a troll or disruptor... NurseJackie Oct 2016 #60
It drives me crazy when republicans call us the "Democrat Party". Initech Oct 2016 #61
thx so much ellennelle Oct 2016 #62
Stupid democratics bluegopher Oct 2016 #63
Yes! Thank you, MM NastyRiffraff Oct 2016 #64
I get what you're saying. I don't see it as a problem. David__77 Oct 2016 #65
Gingrich did this because he doesn't want our party, and not his, pnwmom Oct 2016 #76
it is promoted by ignorant, rightwing hacks Skittles Oct 2016 #87
YESSSSS! lillypaddle Oct 2016 #66
Thank you! ColesCountyDem Oct 2016 #67
Thank you,Mineral Man gademocrat7 Oct 2016 #69
And PHOTOSHOP is not a verb Auggie Oct 2016 #70
It is too! So. There! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2016 #72
My Dear CaliforniaPeggy ... Auggie Oct 2016 #93
My dear Auggie... CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2016 #121
Any noun can be verbed in English. Odin2005 Oct 2016 #159
Today it is. Usage dictates. I use it a lot as a verb. Coyotl Oct 2016 #165
Wrong! Auggie Oct 2016 #168
With the help of Frank Luntz as a wordplay strategy JDC Oct 2016 #71
Didn't the use of the word 'Democrat', Chicago1980 Oct 2016 #73
I am glad you made this post. Lunabell Oct 2016 #74
K & R geardaddy Oct 2016 #79
I couldn't agree more wysi Oct 2016 #80
This is one of my pet peeves also Gothmog Oct 2016 #81
Nailed it! Helen Borg Oct 2016 #84
I sure hope you don't mind but I copy and arthritisR_US Oct 2016 #85
Thanks. Everyone is welcome to copy MineralMan Oct 2016 #134
This chap is continuously disrespectful and carries on as if it arthritisR_US Oct 2016 #136
Agreed. This sort of shitty Newt tactic enrages me. When I hear acquaintances use it, Nay Oct 2016 #88
Kick & recommended. William769 Oct 2016 #89
yes! lakeguy Oct 2016 #94
It is one of the things that allows me to The Green Manalishi Oct 2016 #95
This is a silly battle to pick, Ms. Toad Oct 2016 #97
This is a hobby horse of OPer unfortunately. Great post btw. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #105
Respectfully, the GOP is in da bidness of re-labeling. They have succeeded with "Democrat" Party. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #107
The origins are really irrelevant, what matters is that right-wingnuts have co-opted the word Tarc Oct 2016 #116
I agree... Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #145
yes, my one lil pushback on this good OP, is the fact that many people Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #153
If you peruse this thread, Ms. Toad Oct 2016 #154
If we listed all the characteristics the DU paranoids think are "troll-like," there'd be noone left MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #174
I agree, and I find it troubling Ms. Toad Oct 2016 #185
So Right! THANK YOU. /nt bitterross Oct 2016 #98
Why not? oberliner Oct 2016 #99
Hmmmmm rtracey Oct 2016 #100
Their never going to learn there lessons HAB911 Oct 2016 #101
That's how I spot trolls... tallahasseedem Oct 2016 #109
Well as someone who committed the mortal sin today, you'll kill a lot of innocents with that crude OnDoutside Oct 2016 #113
Outside, you sound like a typical American. Nitram Oct 2016 #179
No, all I'm saying is OnDoutside Oct 2016 #186
It is not intolerant to expect people to use the correct name for your party rather than... Nitram Oct 2016 #187
Exactly. I finally figured out the name-implies-Democrats-are-more-democratic thing betsuni Oct 2016 #188
Or people who just don't let Necons decide what language is unacceptable? MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #173
+1 Well said. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #184
Republicanists and the Democrat Party JackHughes Oct 2016 #111
Why not just call them Fascists ? OnDoutside Oct 2016 #114
100% agreement... Puzzler Oct 2016 #118
I also thought it stupid ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2016 #119
Goes back to the fifties The Wizard Oct 2016 #120
Gingrich is just an Ahole mdbl Oct 2016 #122
Amen!! nt cry baby Oct 2016 #123
Republicans . . . OldRedneck Oct 2016 #125
They sound ignorant. yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2016 #131
Thank you! Stand and Fight Oct 2016 #127
The NM Democratic party PasadenaTrudy Oct 2016 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author Starbuck2239 Oct 2016 #135
And Newt Gingrich is a skeevy, past-his-prime ASSHOLE... Raster Oct 2016 #137
Thank you. One of my biggest pet peeves. catbyte Oct 2016 #138
Abso-fucking-lutely. The team was designed by the right wing as an insult to the Democratic Party. Nitram Oct 2016 #139
Yes once Gingrich started doing it jimlup Oct 2016 #142
People get hypnotized. It's why trump repeats his lies at least 3 times per sound bite. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2016 #143
MineralMan. You have earned my eternal appreciation. I have been on this since I first heard the The Wielding Truth Oct 2016 #144
K&R n/t lupinella Oct 2016 #146
DAMN Mineral Man.. Why warn them? That was a really really easy way annabanana Oct 2016 #147
Rushbo likes it... czarjak Oct 2016 #149
To those who say it doesn't matter... wncHillsupport Oct 2016 #151
I am lazy and just use Dem and Rep. However talking about it I always say Democratic. Rex Oct 2016 #152
This one drives me crazy... WiffenPoof Oct 2016 #156
K&R nt One of the 99 Oct 2016 #157
Michael Steele (former head of GOP) has got to be one of the largest culprits of this Esse Quam Videri Oct 2016 #158
Thanks, good post. harun Oct 2016 #161
Totally Agree DownriverDem Oct 2016 #164
I wish more host would do that PatSeg Oct 2016 #177
AMERICANS should not use "Democrat" as an adjective on DU meow2u3 Oct 2016 #169
So you're letting Newt Gingrich frame the terms? MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #172
Why not speak grammatically? Why settle for poor grammar? MineralMan Oct 2016 #175
Why not display some good manners and call the party by it's real name? Nitram Oct 2016 #180
Exactly. MineralMan Oct 2016 #182
K&R SalviaBlue Oct 2016 #181
K&R betsuni Oct 2016 #189
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IndianaDave

(615 posts)
108. So have I --
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:55 PM
Oct 2016

Since many - but not all - speakers use it as an insult. But regardless of their motives, it is substandard English, and should be corrected by the listener every time, to help people recognize that it is unacceptable in every situation. If people use it consistently after being corrected, I think we can assume that it's OK to change Party names to suit ourselves. For instance, I think it would be more fun to drop a letter (how about the L ?) from the term "Republican," and - considering their current leader - begin referring to them as "Repubicans," with the emphasis on "pubic." I suspect they would notice the difference pretty quickly, and might be more responsive to keeping all the letters in political party names. Just a thought.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
3. Yeah when I see Republicans or somebody talking about the Democrat Party
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

I think "childish moron" and switch the channel

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
45. I agree
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:56 PM
Oct 2016

This was the doing of that dirtbag "pollster" Frank Luntz. He recommended that the Repugs use this terminology as a method to demean the status of the Democratic Party after testing it with his focus groups.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
90. That is correct, because if you correct them, some will say ...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:26 PM
Oct 2016

There is nothing "democratic" in the "Democrat Party".

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
102. Not a mistake. This is MSM compliance to GOP re-labeling. First instance I saw of this...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:49 PM
Oct 2016

was long ago in mid-50s newsreel footage of Joseph McCarthy using "Democrat" Party.

To be sure, the Democratic Party has to push back. It almost never does, so the re-labeling and consequential degration sticks in the voters' minds.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. Yup, Newt. Nothing like demeaning someone's worth by mispronouncing their name.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:57 PM
Oct 2016

He knew what he was doing.

Great post. Thanks

MineralMan

(146,413 posts)
12. Grammar matters. It truly does.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:04 PM
Oct 2016

Newt Gingrich wants people to use Democrat as an adjective. It was part of his strategy to diminish the Democratic Party. Today, Republicans consistently use Democrat as an adjective, just for that reason.

Democrats should know better, and most do. It's a tell for people who come here to troll, quite frankly. It can be a typo, but should be corrected when called out.

We do not want to help the Republicans in their attempt to diminish our party.

tblue37

(65,802 posts)
68. While I agree with you about the use of "Democrat" vs. "Democratic" as a way of
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:28 PM
Oct 2016

demeaning and needling Democrats, I have to take issue with what seems to be a sweeping insistence that if a word is a noun it cannot be used as an adjective. Nouns often do serve as adjectives, and when they do we call them nouns of attribution or attributive nouns.

Examples:

picnic table
house party
foot stool
stool pigeon
cake walk (now usually written as cakewalk)
war story
loss leader
telephone tag


I will say, though, that native speakers of English normally do recognize when a noun is being properly used as an attributive noun and when it is not. I cannot offhand think of any phrase in which "Democrat" could be properly used as an adjective. (Maybe someone else can, but I sure can't at the moment.)

As it happens, though, the Republican jerks have spread that usage so insistently, so far and wide, and for so many years that it is beginning to sound normal to non-jerk people who are not aware of its purpose.

The fact that some people on this board who are not actually trolls nevertheless use the "Democrat Party/voter" formulation just shows how effective the GOP's relentless propaganda efforts are.


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
170. unfortunately it will be used by half the country and many in the media
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 12:40 PM
Oct 2016

until dems and liberals stop giving the 1200 radio stations that say it all day a free speech free ride.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
183. I'm not sure I agree that it's a tell...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:04 PM
Oct 2016

I grew up in Idaho, and lived in Kansas for quite a long time. People write the way the people around them talk. I've been told a time or two (around here) that it is 'the democratic party'.

The thing is the word democratic has a meaning, it is a type of system. Sure, a follow on definition mentions the party, and it is in standard usage that way too, but when I was in school, in Idaho we had the democrats and the republicans.

Until one is around folks talking politics all the time, it just doesn't seem like correct usage (because of the first definition). I just don't think it's a dead giveaway that a person is a troll just because they refer to it as the democrat party.

I've stopped doing it, but it took me a while.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
129. Such an easy reminder for all
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 06:40 PM
Oct 2016

The word, "their," has "heir" in it, therefore signifies ownership. their heads
The word, "they're," has an apostrophe which means a letter is missing, they are talking.
The word, "there," has here in it, which indicates a place. there you go again

Corrected sentence------There you go again, talking about their grammar, their heads must be spinning.

Hope this helps.

freemay20

(243 posts)
160. Amazing
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 08:52 AM
Oct 2016

I believe we may need to teach something along with correct grammar - a little thing called sarcasm. Gheez people.

progressoid

(50,142 posts)
20. And the (so called liberal) media is guilty of it too.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:20 PM
Oct 2016

Even people who aren't aren't Fox news watchers have become infected by it.

While canvasing, I often meet Democrats who parrot this error.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
50. Rachel Maddow often says "Democrat Voter" & I want to scream
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:03 PM
Oct 2016

It's completely sickening. And she, of all media people, should know. Probably been hanging too much with those "reasonable" (i.e. polite RWers) Repugs like Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace.

Anyone who uses Democrat as an adjective hates the idea that our party is the Democratic Party and we're Democratic voters because we stand for Democracy.
Unlike the Republican Party which requires counter democracy tactics like voter suppression, voter id,gerrymandering, Citizens United.
to survive.

 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
58. In all seriousness...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:16 PM
Oct 2016

Like .002% of the population would even understand the distinction or have some negative effect to people saying democrat or democratic. This is really wonkish in the weeds stuff for hard core liberals.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have any problem with this or any post correcting the matter. I just wouldn't worry too much about it, as I think it literally has zero effect on Democratic Party itself.

pnwmom

(109,068 posts)
75. It matters because the party name "Democratic" refers to our democratic ideals.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:43 PM
Oct 2016

We want to remind people of that every time we refer to the Democratic party or a Democratic candidate.

Gingrich, the historian, knows it matters and that's why he lead the charge to take the name away from us. We shouldn't let him.

jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
21. Usually when I read "Democrat Party"
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:24 PM
Oct 2016

I suspect the author is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's a slip of the vernacular that gives away the true intentions of some folks.

TheBlackAdder

(28,366 posts)
22. Every once in a while, I screw that up. It's so easy to do, and then fall into that rut. Thanks.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:30 PM
Oct 2016

.


I should tape it next to my monitor.


.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
23. This is the result of Conservative Think Tanks....
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:33 PM
Oct 2016

After Newt came up with his "word list" their focus groups found "Democratic" tested positive while "DemocRAT" (emphasis on RAT) tested negative so....

The word went out.

Since then I've actually heard allies say it wrong.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
24. The only grammar mistake that drives me bonkers is when someone uses women
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:34 PM
Oct 2016

To describe ONE woman. It really chafe's my bum when I see that. That one is so easy to get right but so many people still screw it up.

barbtries

(28,877 posts)
41. my personal pet peeve:
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:48 PM
Oct 2016

loser being spelled looser. it happens so often that i don't comment on it much at all, but it always catches my eye and it BUGS me.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
106. lol...I missed a typo!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:53 PM
Oct 2016

Immediately after I hit enter I noticed a typo and fixed it. Then I saw a second typo and went and fixed that one. I don't know how I missed that apostrophe...and that is the worst typo of all! lol

moose65

(3,179 posts)
92. I hate that one, too!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:29 PM
Oct 2016

But for me, the worst is when someone doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than." That one drives me absolutely bananas! It's a losing (not "loosing&quot battle, though. Every time I see it I want to reply with "Fill in the blank: I'd rather be hugged ____ eaten."

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
163. Worst possible punctuation gaffe, forget the comma, "I'm sorry I love you"
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:22 AM
Oct 2016

When you want to say "I'm sorry, I love you"

Punctuation saves lives: Let's eat, grandpa" versus "Let's eat grandpa."

Grammar police know their shit, not know they're shit.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
178. Should of, instead of should've...
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:47 PM
Oct 2016

It doesn't occur around here (if it does I haven't seen it), but my redneck family and friends just don't seem to know any better, so I see it on Facebook.

It takes a while for normal breathing to resume after I'm exposed to it.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
25. I always call out rightwing assholes, who use this term, on their bad grammar.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:35 PM
Oct 2016

They present themselves as uneducated ignoramuses, and need to be identified as such.

SalviaBlue

(2,927 posts)
171. My dad, who is rabidly right wing,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:08 PM
Oct 2016

insisted on using the term "DemocRAT party". I corrected him and reminded him of the history of the term, but he said he could use any term he wanted. So I said, OK, but if you call us the DemocRAT party, I will call the republicans the ASSHOLE party. He used the proper term for the rest of that conversation.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
190. That's a good one!
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
Oct 2016

I would never have been able to confront my dad like that, but, then again, he and my mom left the Repuke Party when the Christian conservatives took over.

PatSeg

(48,462 posts)
27. It drives me nuts
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:36 PM
Oct 2016

I know what the republicans intention was and is, but it only makes them look illiterate.

A few weeks ago I saw Congressman Emanuel Cleaver on TV and the republican guest referred to the "Democrat" party. In response to the person, Cleaver said, "First, Democrat party is poor grammar......" Then he went on to make his point about what the man had said.

I wish more people would call republicans out on this. I've seen Chris Matthews bring it up a few times, but he finally gave up. It is just a political tactic, but a very dumb one.

Augiedog

(2,557 posts)
30. Not only have right wingers been using democrat as an adjective, they have been using it as a
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:37 PM
Oct 2016

pejorative. The hostility in their bones is going to eat them alive, just not soon enough. Won't be long before they try to use it as a verb. As in, "voters democrated us in the election and now we've lost not only the presidency and the senate, but we lost the house too. On top of that that we've lost our souls to a perverted sexual predator who now runs us like a cheap pack of pussy grabbers, jeez I hate being democrated ". Well I guess once in awhile being "democrated" has possibilities.

calimary

(82,027 posts)
31. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:38 PM
Oct 2016

YES, I'M SHOUTING!!!!!!!!

But I actually do feel sorry for all those idiots out there who never learned the difference between a noun and an adjective. Maybe they ditched school in third grade that day?

central scrutinizer

(11,745 posts)
33. I bet that many of the instances of "Democrat" here on DU
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:41 PM
Oct 2016

Are the result of auto filling coupled with failure to proofread before posting.

barbtries

(28,877 posts)
36. why does it seem as if the right always manages to insert this kind of shit
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:46 PM
Oct 2016

into the vernacular? i mean i am very aware and have caught myself doing it.

other example that drives me nuts: pro-life. no. NONONONONO - anti-abortion is what you mean; i am pro life and i am pro choice. but i hear the "pro-life" being used on TYT and everywhere else, when what they mean is anti-abortion fanatics trying to put an end to planned parenthood.

must be that liberal media aargh.

WcoastO

(55 posts)
38. The "liberal" media.......
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:46 PM
Oct 2016

needs to call-out/correct the GOPers when they use the word incorrectly........but they never do. I listen to Inskeep et. al. on NPR ignore the incorrect usage all the time.

Mira

(22,384 posts)
40. Thank you very much for this post
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:48 PM
Oct 2016

It is one of my idiosycracies to not allow it being used incorrectly around me.
I think it was coined because it rhymes with "rat"

I hate it.

90-percent

(6,845 posts)
46. The Great Keith Olbermann to GWB
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:56 PM
Oct 2016

during the Bush Dark Ages of the beginning of the 21st Century;

"....and it's DEM-O-CRA-TIC. Show some respect!"

I got a good radar on this and it gets set off every time I hear a talking head referring to "The Democrat Party".

A pejorative slur I think invented by Rush and Breitbart and Frank Luntz; treasonous propagandists all.

-90% Jimmy

PatSeg

(48,462 posts)
176. Yes
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:12 PM
Oct 2016

I remember he used to do that frequently and even asked occasionally, "Why do you say that?" I think he finally gave up though, as I haven't heard him do it in a long time.

George II

(67,782 posts)
51. Actually, from what I read the adjective term "Democrat" first surfaced in the 1930s....
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:07 PM
Oct 2016

.....but it didn't catch on. It was revived again by Joseph McCarthy and his cronies in the early 1950s, and from what I recall it stuck that time and has been used ever since.

Thanks for bringing up the issue, though. It grates me to hear republicans use that term, it's like there's a republican rule book and saying "Democrat Congressman", etc., is Rule #1.

A few years ago, Chris Matthews called out Darryl Issa on it. After listening to Issa say "Democrat" three or four times, Matthews finally blew his top and lectured him, saying in effect, "it's the Democratic Party, the the Democrat Party, why do you people insist on intentionally mispronouncing their name?". He reduced Issa to babbling, and he sheepishly muttered something back to Matthews.

It was a beautiful thing to watch, but it doesn't get done often enough.

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. That's a good article, thank you. I've seen several write ups of it over the years, and they all...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:03 PM
Oct 2016

...pretty much agree that the usage became routine in the early 1950s thanks to Senator McCarthy and his buddies, and it's lasted ever since.

It was also during that period that the republicans added "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. Although I'm religious and go to church every week, when reciting the Pledge I always skip over that.

I'm sure glad I wasn't around (actually I was, three or four years old) during that period.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,094 posts)
55. When used here on DU, it's a 'tell'...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:13 PM
Oct 2016

You have to wonder to which "newz" media they listen.

Thanks for the reminder,MM.

iwillalwayswonderwhy

(2,607 posts)
56. I joined DU in 2004
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:14 PM
Oct 2016

I distinctly remember being corrected for saying "Democrat Party", and I never did it again. I believe that if a person uses it continuously, after being told why they shouldn't, then that can be considered a tell. But done once, may just mean that their Southern Georgia grandpa said Democrat Party, and the poster may have heard it this way her entire life. Like my grandpa did. Long before Newt came to power.

Give folks the benefit of a doubt. Once.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
57. Thank you, MineralMan!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:14 PM
Oct 2016

I, too, have tried to call this out whenever I've encountered it. It was always annoying, but to be expected from the Repuglicans. When some Democrats cluelessly began picking up the habit, it was infuriating.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
126. I have called it out here too
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:57 PM
Oct 2016

Indeed, not very long ago I called out a (suspicious) adjectival use of Democrat in a post ... and I got a whole bunch of angry blowback replies telling me that I was wrong, and that "many Democrats" also use the term adjectivally. Invasion of the body snatchers?

I was beginning to think that I was the crazy one. But I know I'm not.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
60. Whenever I see that, I automatically assume that it's a troll or disruptor...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:17 PM
Oct 2016

... but, after the Democratic primaries, I'm less trusting than I used to be.

Initech

(100,417 posts)
61. It drives me crazy when republicans call us the "Democrat Party".
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:19 PM
Oct 2016

Like it's meant to be an insult. First off if you do that and think it's funny, you fail at humor. Second you also fail at English. It's Democrat-IC party.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
62. thx so much
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:21 PM
Oct 2016

this has been going on for many years, and - like everything else they do - the republicans just keep at it till it sticks.

like telling that lie over and over and over, till everyone thinks it's true.

plus, they do it just to get a dig in; a real FU move. repugnant.

and yes, i railed on rachel back before i stopped watching her when her website still easily took comments.

but, horror or horrors, i've even heard amy goodman slip and say that before!

that's how damn insidious it is!!

so, my friends, we should all make a pact right here and now to call out, subtly and gently, each and every time we hear someone do that.

just, you know, to be clear about the language. and all that.

if someone objects, it's easy enough to point out that hey, it's just bad grammar, and they sound ignorant making that error. if they persist, we can point out that they are then sounding intentionally provocative. see where it goes from there.....

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
64. Yes! Thank you, MM
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:24 PM
Oct 2016

Words matter. Grammar and usage matter. But the use of "Democrat" as an adjective has been more than a simple grammatical mistake; it's a deliberate insult to a party and all the people in it.

Sure, there are people who use "Democrat" as a simple mistake, understandable because they hear it misused endlessly. Those people are usually glad to correct their mistake when it's pointed out to them. Those who use it as an insult just smirk and sneer.

David__77

(23,795 posts)
65. I get what you're saying. I don't see it as a problem.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:25 PM
Oct 2016

I know that some people who are pro-right wing use "Democrat senators" and the like as a way to deny that they are small-D "democratic" or for some other reason, or no reason at all. I don't really see it as a problem. Someone who's a Democrat is an adherent to the Democratic Party, which, itself, is a party of Democrats.

pnwmom

(109,068 posts)
76. Gingrich did this because he doesn't want our party, and not his,
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:45 PM
Oct 2016

to refer in its name to our democratic ideals. The word "democrat" doesn't remind people of that, out of context.

lillypaddle

(9,585 posts)
66. YESSSSS!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:26 PM
Oct 2016

I've heard it wrong so much that sometimes I have to stop and really think (god forbid). It's like those words that aren't really words but have been used so much, they wind up in the dictionary.

Thanks for the post, Mineralman

JDC

(10,221 posts)
71. With the help of Frank Luntz as a wordplay strategy
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:32 PM
Oct 2016

It really is pathetic that this has turned out to be the only strategy of the Republic (sic) Party, not policy. I believe that they are seeing the fruits of their labor play out right now and getting ready to get the ass kicking of a lifetime at the polls.

Rush the bloviator pushes this hard.

arthritisR_US

(7,310 posts)
85. I sure hope you don't mind but I copy and
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:14 PM
Oct 2016

pasted your OP into a reply on FB where I had to address this. I put it in quotations and attributed it to you as well as stipulating this site.

arthritisR_US

(7,310 posts)
136. This chap is continuously disrespectful and carries on as if it
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 08:05 PM
Oct 2016

is nothing and that we have always been referred to as such. Your post was spot on and I thank you profusely!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
88. Agreed. This sort of shitty Newt tactic enrages me. When I hear acquaintances use it,
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:23 PM
Oct 2016

I see that the corruption has been spread far and wide, just like any crappy, snot-nosed propaganda trick does in Red World. Let's at least stop it at our doors.

lakeguy

(1,640 posts)
94. yes!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:32 PM
Oct 2016

i logged in just to rec this post.

this should be a sticky somewhere. so tired of seeing that here and elsewhere.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
95. It is one of the things that allows me to
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:33 PM
Oct 2016

discount anything following it.

The only reasons it would be used is in ignorance or attack.

Ms. Toad

(34,424 posts)
97. This is a silly battle to pick,
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:35 PM
Oct 2016

And will alienate many of the Democrats I grew up with who used "Democrat" as an adjective, decades before Gingrich grabbed hold of it, and who see fixating on the distinction as elitist.

I have 3 post-secondary degrees, but that doesn't make me any more progressive or a better Democrat than the Democrats in the small rural town I grew up in, some of whom were forced to drop out of school in their middle school years in order to put food on the table and who couldn't tell the difference between a noun and an adjective if you paid them.

Given my history, and personal relationships with people who have poured heart and soul into peace and social justice work, but who may not be able to express themselves as articulately as you, it is one of my pet peeves when people are attacked here as right wing for no reason other than they don't talk gud English.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
107. Respectfully, the GOP is in da bidness of re-labeling. They have succeeded with "Democrat" Party.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:54 PM
Oct 2016

They re-label, we occasionally whine about it. But it sticks.

Tarc

(10,480 posts)
116. The origins are really irrelevant, what matters is that right-wingnuts have co-opted the word
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:10 PM
Oct 2016

and turned it into a pejorative.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
145. I agree...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:41 PM
Oct 2016

It comes off as "you're not smart enough to be a democrat if you don't say this and that" and I think that is the kind of thing that drives people away from our party. I think this is very nit-picky. I was not an English major and I'm not one of the grammar police. I studied programming and engineering. I'm not in idiot, but maybe in the many years I've been posting on this site I have improperly used the word democrat. I don't know. There are many good people out there that aren't so great at grammar, but they still have some awesome skills in other areas.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
153. yes, my one lil pushback on this good OP, is the fact that many people
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:11 AM
Oct 2016

aren't great spellers, or don't talk exactly like the way most of us talk - and there's not a dang thang wrong with that.

So, I would push some caution with the folks I've seen lash out at fellow DUers for their opinions, or how they say them. Not everyone thinks of things the same as everyone else, and they don't mean to disparage us by saying the wrong word.

But, I support who the OP is absolutely against, the Republican MSM and it's partisan backers who use "Democrat Party" to be a-holes.

Ms. Toad

(34,424 posts)
154. If you peruse this thread,
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:57 AM
Oct 2016

it's pretty clear that a large portion of those posting in this thread believe that using the "wrong" word signifies that you are a troll. That's the connection I'm pushing back against. Too much elitism.

Presumably, most of the people on DU - to whom the post was directed - are not the Republican MSM or its partisan backers - using the wrong word to be a-holes.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
174. If we listed all the characteristics the DU paranoids think are "troll-like," there'd be noone left
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

Ms. Toad

(34,424 posts)
185. I agree, and I find it troubling
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:49 PM
Oct 2016

when, by and large, threads suggesting people use such "troll-like" behavior as an acid test - or denounce anyone who engages in it draw accolades rather than criticism

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
99. Why not?
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:40 PM
Oct 2016

Who cares? What's the difference?

It is a party that is comprised of Democrats.

Never really understood why people got worked up about this.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
100. Hmmmmm
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:41 PM
Oct 2016

yes thank you for the english lesson, and it is well taken, but I want us to concentrate on getting our Democrat elected president, so lets get out the vote......

HAB911

(9,056 posts)
101. Their never going to learn there lessons
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Oct 2016

your going to have to teach you're lessons better, its difficult to no the difference but keep up the good work! LOL

OnDoutside

(20,006 posts)
113. Well as someone who committed the mortal sin today, you'll kill a lot of innocents with that crude
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

judgement ! As I'm in Europe, Democrat/Democratic is interchangeable to me, and without issue, though I tend to recoil from the bullying of the OP just because of over sensitivity.

Nitram

(23,469 posts)
179. Outside, you sound like a typical American.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:47 PM
Oct 2016

"I don't care what the connotation is in your country, I'm going to use the language any way I want to."

OnDoutside

(20,006 posts)
186. No, all I'm saying is
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 03:51 PM
Oct 2016

When you're starting to be as intolerant of others as a Republican, you should know something is wrong.

Nitram

(23,469 posts)
187. It is not intolerant to expect people to use the correct name for your party rather than...
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 08:50 AM
Oct 2016

...one coined by the other party to demean them. the name of the party is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. The fact is, conservatives resent the fact that the name seems to imply that Democrats are more democratic than they are.

betsuni

(26,293 posts)
188. Exactly. I finally figured out the name-implies-Democrats-are-more-democratic thing
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 09:12 AM
Oct 2016

after years of asking my right-wing relatives why they insisted on using the wrong name for the Democratic Party when I knew for a fact they never did before Rush Limbaugh or whomever started using it.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
173. Or people who just don't let Necons decide what language is unacceptable?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:41 PM
Oct 2016

By making "Democrat" a cuss word, you're saying it's ok that Newt did this and we should accept it.

But I guess if you want to make it about a troll-hunt, have at it...

JackHughes

(166 posts)
111. Republicanists and the Democrat Party
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:00 PM
Oct 2016

Right-wingers have been using "Democrat Party" since the McCarthy era. They use the term because they think it gives them a slight rhetorical benefit in their total political war.

Democrats should respond in kind by referring to Republicans as "Republicanists."

That "-ists" suffix carries much worse rhetorical baggage than their silly "Democrat Party" nonsense.

Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
118. 100% agreement...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:16 PM
Oct 2016

i think the majority of the GOP know the correct usage. To the best of my knowledge the term "Democrat Party" was originally a somewhat old-fashioned Southern US slang. I strongly suspect that the continued misuse of something this simple serves two purposes:

1) To deliberately not acknowledge the "other party"... and...

2) Code speak to a particular racist demographic of theirs.

The GOP have NEVER in my adult life ever, ever, accepted the legitimacy of a Democratic Presidency. NEVER! The deliberate and widespread misuse of the actual party name is part of it.

-P

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
119. I also thought it stupid ...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
Oct 2016

The people who refer to 'the Democrat Party' never refer to 'the Republic Party'.

The Wizard

(12,608 posts)
120. Goes back to the fifties
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Oct 2016

Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy started it as a way to marginalize Democrats and the Democratic Party. That term is a dead giveaway that you're dealing with a Publican troll.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
125. Republicans . . .
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 05:41 PM
Oct 2016

Republicans REFUSE to use the term "Democratic" properly.

I read and comment on a couple of republican websites in Virginia. They will die and go to hell before they say "the Democratic Party" -- it's always "the Democrat Party." I have stopped correcting them because they think it's funny. It's childish.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
127. Thank you!
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 06:29 PM
Oct 2016

When I first starting lurking on this site almost 14 years ago this was one sure fire way to spot a FReeper. No self-respecting Democrat would ever refer to our party as the ""Democrat Party" anymore than Republicans would refer to their cadre of deplorables as the "Republic Party".

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Nitram

(23,469 posts)
139. Abso-fucking-lutely. The team was designed by the right wing as an insult to the Democratic Party.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:07 PM
Oct 2016

And we Democrats are too well-mannered and civil to do the same to Republicans in public. Otherwise we'd be calling them Repubs. We are better than that.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
142. Yes once Gingrich started doing it
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:24 PM
Oct 2016

Republicans took it on as a way of belittling the opposition. They never pass up an opportunity to belittle their opponents.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,309 posts)
143. People get hypnotized. It's why trump repeats his lies at least 3 times per sound bite.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:39 PM
Oct 2016

My own Democratic brother took the bait and I pointed it out in a text last week. It's a minor annoyance, but persistent.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
144. MineralMan. You have earned my eternal appreciation. I have been on this since I first heard the
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 09:39 PM
Oct 2016

RightWing call our Party, the "Demo-Rat party". I feel as if I have been fighting this all by myself for many years. Every time I hear it I feel the slight and then I think that it maybe just the laziness on their part and they just can't say that extra syllable or maybe they just aren't literate and can't read our party name. Thank you, MineralMan. I know that I have someone fighting with me.

I also think that Our President Barack Obama has been an excellent president and I really admire Hillary and i have confidence in her abilities.

wncHillsupport

(112 posts)
151. To those who say it doesn't matter...
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
Oct 2016

It does matter. It is renaming the Democratic Party by opponents. It is not friendly. It is deliberate. It is a slur. It is disrespectful.

And if Rachel uses it, as in 'Democrat voter', I think we all should send her Starbuck's message about it. It is unconscionable that MSNBC hosts allow Republicans to get away with it.

I am guessing/hoping Starbuck won't mind if I crib his message on the topic.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
152. I am lazy and just use Dem and Rep. However talking about it I always say Democratic.
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:05 AM
Oct 2016

Though I do have some more colorful names for conservatives.

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
158. Michael Steele (former head of GOP) has got to be one of the largest culprits of this
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

I listen to Steele and Ungar every day on my way home from work (POTUS on SiriusXM) and I don't think there's a day that goes by where he doesn't use Democrat instead of Democratic. It actually sounds so weird that it makes him sound less intelligent.

DownriverDem

(6,281 posts)
164. Totally Agree
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 09:25 AM
Oct 2016

On the Norman Goldman radio show (I stream it through WCPT Chicago Progressive Talk radio from 6-9 Eastern time) he corrects callers all the time on the use of Democrat and Democratic.

I feel the same about folks us call women girls. I was a girl. I am now a woman. I don't like being call a girl at my age.

PatSeg

(48,462 posts)
177. I wish more host would do that
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:15 PM
Oct 2016

There are a lot of slurs that they wouldn't allow without commenting. Plus it makes Americans look really stupid.

meow2u3

(24,829 posts)
169. AMERICANS should not use "Democrat" as an adjective on DU
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 11:03 AM
Oct 2016

Foreigners who use Democrat as an adjective should be assumed not to know better and we should educate them that it's a slur.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
172. So you're letting Newt Gingrich frame the terms?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:39 PM
Oct 2016

Why can't we just tell Newt to fuck off and say what we want to say?

MineralMan

(146,413 posts)
175. Why not speak grammatically? Why settle for poor grammar?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 01:54 PM
Oct 2016

"Democrat" is a noun. "Democratic" is an adjective. Why not simply get it right?

Nitram

(23,469 posts)
180. Why not display some good manners and call the party by it's real name?
Thu Oct 27, 2016, 02:49 PM
Oct 2016

Instead of the term coined by right wingers to demean the party because it makes us sound more democratic than them.

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