My tiny brain finally grasps what likely happened.

[RandySF]

Huma checked her work email from home like I do all the time (and trying to stop at the urging of my Dr.), only whereas I use an online viewer, she used Outlook or Exchange. Thus, the emails on the laptop are likely tge same emails the FBI already checked. Am I right?

[onecaliberal]

1. Yes.

[andym]

2. And Outlook will automatically download new emails. nt.

[marybourg]

3. Yes. nt.

[Loki Liesmith]

4. You got it

The FBI knows this too.

[Coyotl]

5. Two kinds of email, SMTP is one

Simple Mail Transfer Protocol actually sends the mail and you read it with an app that downloads it on your device. Web mail moves the mail file to your browser cache and it likely deletes when you close.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

7. SMTP is actually outgoing. (Think of Send Mail To People). POP and IMAP are incoming.

Exchange is similar to IMAP.

And from what I understand these seem to be emails from her yahoo account since Yahoo actually put out the statement about them not having a search warrant yet. (I think they do now.)

Unless Huma went into the account settings and manually change the yahoo account from IMAP to POP on some completely irrational and unnecessary whim to change from using the best and most recommended set up, then these should all be duplicates of email they should have already seen IF they contain anything at all related to work.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

20. Printers are notoriously finicky. Not knowing how to, or not having time to, or

not wishing to set up a printer in a certain way is absolutely no indication that a person could not or would not manually configure their email account.

Nor is it an indication that they could not have saved a backup of the account, then deleted the emails in the account resulting in those deleted emails being present in the backup and not on the other devices or the server.

I am no tech expert and often have trouble with my printer, but I manage about 12 email accounts. They are different gmail, yahoo, and live accounts which feed variously into ios, Windows, and Android devices on desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, and ipods, some old and some new.

For perfectly good reasons, I have often changed the default settings. In some cases, I've configured the exact same email account as POP3 on some devices and IMAP on others. I have backups of email accounts on various devices which contain copies of hundreds of emails that are no longer in the active account .

You may very well be right that Abedin didn't do any of that, but it is wrong to suggest that it would be particularity difficult or an "irrational and unnecessary whim" to have done so.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

42. Please explain to me why someone who uses multiple devices as Huma stated she did

Would intentionally go into her email configuration settings and change them so that she would have to make further adjustments to make sure she could access all of her emails on all of her devices when it was automatically set up to just work that way to begin with? She would have had to go searching for the server address to enter and look up what all the different settings would do.

WHY would she do that?

Someone also posted a link to an article that quoted her as saying that she didn't alter anything with her email accounts and she never deleted any emails.

My JOB is to provide technical support for people who are having problems with multiple devices. One of those areas is actually email issues...incoming and outgoing server issues, SSL port configurations, setting up and troubleshooting email accounts across multiple devices. In the United States virtually all of the major email providers use IMAP unless it is a work account then Exchange is usually used, which is similar to IMAP and works the same way. In the last 3 years I have only seen TWO people who used POP mail and they chose that only because they did NOT want to get or use email on more than one device.

[Jarqui]

6. Except Huma wore a few hats all at the same time. She was employed by a few places

She worked for Hillary Clinton as a personal assistant
She worked for Hillary Clinton at the State Department
She worked for the Clinton Foundation
She worked for a consulting group (?) linked to the Clinton's

When Hillary's emails were deleted (roughly half), they were trying to leave only the State Department emails. Some of the deleted emails were recovered but many were not.

This outlook email account or the like (if accurate) on Anthony Weiner's laptop could be accruing emails from all four Clinton related entities that got copied to Huma's email address on the laptop and therefore, the laptop could contain a number of emails that had been deleted that the FBI has not seen before.

As well, the Clinton Foundation got subpoenaed by the Inspector General for records related to donors who were also related to the State Department and for records on Huma Abedin. I think that was dropped by them at the FBI's request leaving it to the FBI to follow up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-foundation-received-subpoena-from-state-department-investigators/2016/02/11/ca5125b2-cce4-11e5-88ff-e2d1b4289c2f_story.html

Terry McAuliffe is currently being investigated by the FBI for money issues while he was heading the Clinton Foundation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-in-shock-over-fbi-investigation-of-campaign-money-personal-finances/2016/05/24/d5b8e362-21b8-11e6-9e7f-57890b612299_story.html
recently, Terry's mixed up with giving money to FBI official's wife:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-ally-aids-campaign-of-fbi-officials-wife-1477266114

And the FBI are investigating the pay for play concerns like these for example:
https://apnews.com/82df550e1ec646098b434f7d5771f625

WSJ updated some on the FBI investigations of the Clinton Foundation in this recent article:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-may-include-thousands-of-emails-linked-to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957

So the Huma Abedin emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop could have evidence relating to any of the above FBI investigations. If there are really 10,000 or more, maybe 5,000 of them for example were deleted ones many of which the FBI hasn't seen. They may only need one or two to support a charge they're trying to press ... who knows?

The FBI may have found nothing new, they might have hit the jackpot or something in between. Time will tell. I continue to doubt Comey would write that letter if he didn't feel he had something.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

9. Huma already turned over all of her devices

And they already looked through her emails. If this is the yahoo account and the laptop is relatively new then when she signed in to the yahoo account her email configurations would be set up automatically. Yahoo's default set up configures accounts as IMAP. That means that if they saw her emails on one device they are going to be the exact same mails on EVERY device she logged into.

The woman could not figure out how to connect to a work printer for crying out loud. She did not go in and manually switch her email server settings. If they already looked at her yahoo account then this whole fiasco was completely unnecessary and the FBI KNEW IT.

The ONLY way this would be a valid need to look is if they never looked into her yahoo account before. I can't imagine them not looking since she actually told them about the account ages ago and turned over her devices.

[Jarqui]

10. "If the laptop is relatively new ..."

650,000 emails and "relatively new" don't commonly jive for a personal laptop

The FBI "called in the team of investigators from FBI headquarters who conducted the probe of Clinton's private email server."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/clinton-emails-fbi-abedin/index.html

When those FBI experts reported their findings to Comey, Comey wrote his famous letter to congress.

I find it hard to believe those FBI Clinton email experts flew up to New York, gawked at Anthony's laptop, flew back to Washington and told Comey "we found absolutely nothing" ... which provoked Comey to write that letter. Because they looked without a warrant, they could not say much publicly. They had to have convinced Comey there was something worthwhile to see on that laptop. Comey's not going to put his career on the line for nothing unless he's suddenly developed a habit of sniffing glue.

[pnwmom]

17. Comey himself said he did NOT know there was anything significant among them.

You're drinking the GOP kool-aid.

[Jarqui]

24. They had no warrant. He had to be very careful what he said about the evidence

or he could lose any legal use of it.

Think about what you are insisting: Comey put his career legacy on the line and getting ripped to pieces in the media ... for nothing.

The FBI knew about the laptop for weeks. They flew the Clinton email experts in to gawk at it. Do you really think the complete result of their investigation was "Yes Mr Comey, we saw a laptop in New York with email on it. What those emails said, we haven't got a fecking clue. But go ahead and put your reputation on the line to go fishing with a warrant and maybe you'll get lucky ... or maybe there isn't a shred of anything useful ...."

or did it sound more like "There were a lot of emails 2009-2013 related to the state department and Clinton Foundation we'd never seen before. From the 200 we glanced at, we'd project 5,000 emails."

People do things for a reason. Did Comey just wake up one day and reverse course on a woman whose candidacy he helped save saying "I think I'm going to mess with the 2016 election for fun today"? Or did those agents report to him that they had found something of significance?

I don't listen to the GOP. I'm tuned out. I just don't get the same probability for the answer you do when I ask myself those questions.

[pnwmom]

27. He put his career legacy on the line in that July press conference

which was also against the rules. They're not supposed to be holding press conferences chewing out people they've decided not to indict. He didn't help save her. He knew he lacked the basis for any criminal prosecution -- but as a Rethug, he was self-righteously angry with her, so he let her have it in the press conference.

I don't care how many of Huma's emails are on there. The way emails work, they get sent to all your devices at once. If she ever logged in from Weiner's laptop, then that would be considered one of her devices, too -- unless she changed her settings to stop that from happening. So the chances are very high that they've already seen all of these emails before.

In the unlikely event that some of these are new, it's still EXTREMELY unlikely that Hillary, with deliberate intent, sent Huma anything that was classified. And that is the requirement for any prosecution.



http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/newly-discovered-emails-unlikely-change-fbi-decision-not-charge-clinton-n675426

New emails unlikely to change FBI decision not to indict HRC, prosecutors say


When FBI Director James Comey told Congress that the FBI intends to review newly discovered emails in the investigation of Hillary Clinton, some observers speculated that the evidence could lead to federal charges against Clinton. According to former prosecutors and legal experts across the political spectrum, however, that is unlikely.

While experts caution that it is hard to weigh the impact of largely unknown evidence, they say both the history of the FBI inquiry and the nature of the new emails make it unlikely that federal authorities would reverse course to charge Clinton.

Old Email, New Email

"Given the fact that they reviewed 30,000 emails, most of which were from Hillary Clinton, it's hard to imagine there could be new emails that are from Hillary Clinton that could result in the prosecution of her," said Paul Butler, a former Justice Department attorney who has prosecuted politicians and federal officials for corruption.

SNIP

"I don't see how it will change the analysis about whether she's going to be charged with a criminal offense," Zeidenberg said. "I think there is about zero percent likelihood of that."

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

18. Yes it does, actually. IMAP mail accounts sync 100% of your emails from day 1 of opening account

As soon as you sign in on a new computer. If you have 650K emails on the email server then every device you sign in on will get all of those emails UNLESS the account holder goes into the account settings and reconfigures the incoming mail server from IMAP to POP, which is highly unlikely. The overwhelming majority of people who use multiple devices would never change the automatic configuration when signing in from IMAP to POP. It would make zero logical sense.

[Jarqui]

26. I don't think 650,000 emails in an inbox is a super common thing

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. The woman could not figure out how to connect to a work printer for crying out loud.

Interesting...I don't know either. I work from home, sign on the my work network through the internet. All the work printers are on the network. I have to email my work emails to my yahoo account and print from there.

[pnwmom]

16. Hillary's attorneys were the ones who sorted out her personal emails,

using computer programs to do so, so it is highly unlikely that the deleted emails contain anything both work-related and compromising.

And finding one or two additional emails that somehow contained classified info wouldn't be enough to support the charge they didn't make after finding the few they previously found. A criminal INTENT would have to be proven, and that is extremely unlikely.

Hillary used a SCIF system for sending classified materials both at her home and at work; and when she was traveling she also used State Department protocols for sending and receiving hard copies of classified documents. She had no reason to purposely use her personal account to send classified documents since she had the SCIF system at hand.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. Your first sentence !!! I have no idea why neither she nor her surrogates

ever mention this !!! There is absolutely no PR at all. Just - made a mistake !

1. Attorneys deemed what was personal ! not her
2. Decision to share personal/work pc made in 2010 - and you can't take what you know about proliferation of hacking today and apply it to what was thought back then.
3. Same set up Ex-prez had.
4. No evidence of hacking - yet Pentagon and State hacked
5. Who among us - any of us - would want every email they ever wrote exposed?

Mika just said NO ONE on our side would come on the show this morning

Just ridiculous

[pnwmom]

32. Well, it has been repeatedly reported, which is how I knew about it.

But you're right that most accounts don't bother with that key fact.

[mopinko]

36. #3 is the one i dont get them leaving out all the time.

bill already had the server, she just started using it. she would have no reason to believe his set up wasnt secure. he still gets classified info.
when they talk about why she did it, why isnt this the answer?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. The first I heard it was from Hillary - very early on. It was a really good

explanation. Good enough for ex-president, good enough for her. Plus, physically, they were surrounded by secret service.

It was very believable and a good explanation.

Somewhere along the line, I suspect some advisor said. "Stop. Do not say anything. Just say sorry."

That is the absolute worst piece of advice anyone could have ever given to
her. And most here agreed - just don't respond.

I hope if we learn one thing from Trump....DEFEND YOURSELF - no matter what you are accused of. And keep on, consistently. And have all your surrogates do the same.

[radius777]

23. it's still a violation of the Hatch Act,

and of long-standing practices to not (even give the appearance of) interfering with or altering an election within 60 days of that election.

This is a highly unethical and partisan act by Comey, for which he himself should face prosecution.

Who are you voting for? Clearly not Hillary. You seem to be spouting the far-right/far-left conspiracy theories about the Clintons.

[underthematrix]

8. I'm sorry i just read that the Clinton Foundation investigation was blocked by the DOJ

And just read an article about that today. Please clarify

[Jarqui]

12. This WSJ article discussed it

http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-may-include-thousands-of-emails-linked-to-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957

[pnwmom]

14. Not blocked. Some lower level people wanted permission to go on it

full force with subpoenas, grand juries, etc. -- and the higher ups said, wait a minute, you don't have a legal basis for your proposed fishing expedition.

But they can keep looking for more information, so they're not blocked. They just can't use every tool they might wish to -- unless they can find a legal basis for doing so.

[pnwmom]

11. That is what some techies are telling me. So, yes, these are probably

the same emails they've already found on her laptop, phone, iPad, etc.

[Jarqui]

13. She didn't delete her emails ..

http://fortune.com/2016/10/29/huma-abedin-email-clinton/

Abedin told lawyers in June in a deposition that, like millions of internet users who don’t manage their inboxes, she simply never deleted old emails, either at work with Clinton or at home with Weiner.

“I didn’t have a practice of managing my mailbox other than leaving what was in there sitting in there,” Abedin said. “I didn’t go into my emails and delete State.gov emails. They just lived on my computer. That was my practice for all my email accounts. I didn’t have a particular form of organizing them. I had a few folders, but they were not deleted. They all stayed in whatever device I was using at the time or whatever desktop I was on at the time.”

But Hillary did.

[radius777]

25. You're a subversive Clinton hater

which a quick search of your posts reveals:


Jarqui's Journal - Democratic Underground
www.democraticunderground.com › ... › Jarqui
Democratic Underground
Mar 6, 2016 - Investigators with the State Department issued a subpoena to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation last fall seeking documents .

Jarqui's Journal - Democratic Underground
www.democraticunderground.com › ... › JarquiDemocratic Underground
Jan 22, 2016 - particularly when Hillary and Bill have made as much money off Wall Street as (nearly?) any politician in history. Bankruptcy (major issue for ..

Jarqui's Journal - Democratic Underground
www.democraticunderground.com › ... › JarquiDemocratic Underground
Jan 21, 2016 - If those emails were so sensitive that the folks looking for Top Secret stuff didn't have the clearance to look at them, then why would someone ...

Jarqui's Journal - Democratic Underground
www.democraticunderground.com › ... › Jarqui
Democratic Underground
Feb 6, 2016 - It's far from the same situation. Powell and Rice (or her staff) used private email for material that was not classified at the time. For you to believe ...

[Jarqui]

29. The common perception around here seems to be that Comey is a Clinton hater.

Because we collectively cannot seem to imagine or accept any other reason for him to behave as he is.

Yet months ago, he didn't behave like a Clinton hater. A Clinton hater would have charged her.

Like the FBI, I'm interested in the facts and evidence because those things lead to the truth. A lot of America doesn't believe we've got to the bottom of the truth in this scandal. And it's not because they're haters.

I do not know what the truth is here but to me, some of the places a bunch seem to be leaping to is being done without much logical basis.

I doubt Comey is acting on the basis of partisanship or hatred. That doesn't make me a Clinton hater - if anything, I'm a Trump hater. That makes me open to sensible reasons for why this is happening right now. Usually, the reasons for things happening are pretty simple. When we don't want to confront them, some will try to label them as hate because we cannot imagine someone we idolize doing anything wrong. Comey, as a law enforcement professional, did not arrest or recommend charging Clinton. He's taking a closer look at evidence they recently uncovered - as he should - that's his job. It doesn't make him a hater. Whether he should have written the letter is very debatable but waiting until one has more information before concluding that doesn't make one a hater either.

I've constantly searched for the facts on the emails and not hated anyone.

[BlueStateLib]

15. Huma has said she rarely used her husband's laptop

[pnwmom]

19. That doesn't matter. If she ever borrowed her husband's computer,

logged into her account/s, and didn't log out, then that computer "thinks" it's one of her devices -- and her emails are accessible from all of her devices.

[BlueStateLib]

22. Why are you so sure Huma setup a desktop email client

Why are you so sure Huma setup a desktop email client, maybe its my bias but I haven't used a desktop email client on my PC's in 10 years for many reasons preferring to use web mail. With 1.29 billion email opens only 7% used outlook so Im not alone.
https://emailclientmarketshare.com/

[cwydro]

21. So?

[Sancho]

31. The server was backed up ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

In November 2012, without explanation, Clinton's private email account was reconfigured to use Google's servers as a backup in case her own personal email server failed, according to Internet records. That is significant because Clinton publicly supported Google's accusations in June 2011 that China's government had tried to break into the Google mail accounts of senior U.S. government officials. It was one of the first instances of a major American corporation openly accusing a foreign government of hacking.
Then, in July 2013, five months after she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton's private email server was reconfigured again to use a Denver-based commercial email provider, MX Logic, which is now owned by McAfee Inc., a top Internet security company.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

Maybe Hillary's lawyers only sent forward "work" emails, or maybe the FBI asked for help with some that were encrypted by MX Logic, but no matter what - there was back up so both work and personal emails were likely always available.

Who knows what were "privileged" or subject to FOIA or whatever, but just like all professional systems, there were backups in case of server failure, hacking, etc.

As far as we know, there was never a gap in what the FBI could see; but only some question as to what was marked "classified" and what was subject to FOIA.

[Raster]

35. Yes. In all likelihood, there is absolutely nothing new...

...and certain members of the FBI *probably* already know this, you know, the badge-carrying Breitbart FanBoysInc, who have been literally OBSESSED with ratfucking Clinton and her campaign in any way, shape, form or fashion.

[MineralMan]

37. Yes. Exactly. There's no there there, really.

It's just a Trumped-up scandal, enhanced by Jim Comey. It's a darned shame, but it is unlikely to change the outcome on November 8.

[Joe941]

38. I'm worried the 33000 emails are among the 650,000 found emails.