Catholic Church that doubles as polling place hands out flier linking Hillary to Satan

[Miles Archer]

Catholic Church that doubles as polling place hands out flier linking Hillary to Satan

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/catholic-church-that-doubles-as-polling-place-hands-out-flier-linking-hillary-to-satan/

The San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Immaculate Conception Catholic Church, which is located in the Old Town neighborhood of San Diego and that will be a polling place on election day, distributed a weekly newsletter in mid-October that had a flier inserted in it that told parishioners they’d go to hell if they voted for Democrats.

“It is a mortal sin to vote Democrat,” read the flier. “Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell.”

Two weeks later, another flier was stuffed into a church bulletin that claimed Hillary Clinton was using the tactics of organizer Saul Alinsky to do Satan’s bidding.

“The devil does this through tactics outlined by Saul Alinsky,” it read. “As Hillary Clinton stated, ‘And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed,’ to draw us away from God’s teachings regarding the sanctity of life to those of the world and its prince.”

[Xipe Totec]

1. I hear hell is a fun place and heaven is mind-numbingly boring

[anneboleyn]

18. "Only the Good Die Young," Billy Joel

"Only the Young Die Young" Billy Joel

Come out, Virginia, don't let me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
But sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one
They showed you a statue and told you to pray
They built you a temple and locked you away
But they never told you the price that you pay
For things that you might have done...
Only the good die young

You might have heard I run with a dangerous crowd
We ain't too pretty, we ain't too proud
We might be laughing a bit too loud
But that never hurt no one
So, come on, Virginia, show me a sign
Send up a signal I'll throw you the line
The stained-glass curtain you're hiding behind
Never lets in the sun
Darling, only the good die young

You got a nice white dress and a party on your confirmation
You got a brand new soul
And a cross of gold
But, Virginia, they didn't give you quite enough information
You didn't count on me
When you were counting on your rosary

They say there's a heaven for those who will wait
Some say it's better but I say it ain't
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun...
You know that only the good die young

You say your mother told you all that I could give you was a reputation
She never cared for me
But did she ever say a prayer for me?

Come out, come out, come out
Virginia, don't let me wait,
You Catholic girls start much too late,
But sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one,
You know that only the good die young
Tell you baby
You know that only the good die young
Only the good die young
Only the good
Only the good die young

[regnaD kciN]

2. Sounds like someone's just begging to have their tax-exempt status pulled…

To be clear: churches are allowed to take stands on political issues or referenda, but they are absolutely NOT allowed to advocate for one candidate over another in a political race.

[Miles Archer]

3. I obeyed the 4 paragraph rule, but...

...the next paragraph in the article is the church claiming they didn't do it.

Insert obligatory Church Lady reference here.

[TexasProgresive]

4. Is it not allowed to pick the paragraphs one posts?

I do it all the time- I post no more than 4 but not necessarily the opening 4. Sometimes the 1st and perhaps the last

[Miles Archer]

5. Yes, but I thought those four provided the necessary context

Other times, I will select non-consecutive paragraphs. For this story, I wanted the ones I chose.

[BSdetect]

16. We need to form an atheist "church" and get all those exemptions for ordinary people.

Ivan Illich "Deschooling Society". Catholic Church was the third most wealthy or efficient "business" about 1964.

Chase Manhattan Bank and GM were the top two.

Low paid staff, tax free, cash flow, wealth in art, gold, lands etc etc

[anneboleyn]

28. Scientology managed to qualify for tax exempt status.

[Historic NY]

6. Have the place moved call the board of elections...

[pnwmom]

14. Because someone sabotaged the Church bulletin by slipping in the unauthorized flier? n/t

[smirkymonkey]

7. Tax the bastards!

This is bullshit!

[pnwmom]

12. The diocese and the pastor denied having anything to do with this.

[Submariner]

8. Better than being linked to Child Rape

the roman catholic church of child rape needs to STFU and get the hell out of the right wing nut political business.

[pnwmom]

13. The church didn't do this. Both the diocese and the pastor disavowed it. Somebody else

took it upon themselves to deceive church members with this.

[bettyellen]

17. Someone who volunteers or works for the church broke the law and they should be fined or something..

So they have in incentive to stop pulling shit like this. I'm sorry they have people going rogue but without an admission of wrong doing they need a penalty

[pnwmom]

19. Church doors are usually unlocked. Almost anyone, including a non Church member,

could have gone inside and slipped the fliers inside the stack of Church bulletins.

[Rocknrule]

9. Trump has so many skeletons in his closet that it may as well be a cemetery

Guarantee at least one of those skeletons is an aborted baby. Wonder how they feel about that?

[anneboleyn]

29. "I know that he has accepted Christ as his lord and savior"

CNN was interviewing people outside of a Trump rally a week or so ago, and there were some very scary answers as to why they were supporting Trump. There were some evangelical types that were claiming that Trump is all shiny and religious now (one woman was very fervently claiming that Trump had been chosen by god, the Christian one of course, to be president)

[Rocknrule]

30. That's what they say about EVERY GOP candidate

These people in 4 years: "David Duke is GAWD'S chosen candidate!"

[mainer]

10. Does the Pope know? I suspect he would disapprove

And this particular "church" will have new leadership soon.

[pnwmom]

11. This is NOT official Church policy AT ALL. Some "rogue" decided to do this, not the priest

or the Church.

[anneboleyn]

22. Yes, exactly. It is such poor form to do something like this to mislead a congregation

I am sure they are hoping that some church attendees will think (mistakenly) that Father "John" or the diocese or church itself is issuing some sort of explicit position on the presidential election.

The language sounds rather evangelical/conservative Protestant -- I wonder if some enterprising evangelical took it upon himself/herself to "guide" the Catholic vote.

[pnwmom]

31. Anybody could have walked in through the unlocked church door and inserted these

into the stacks of Church bulletins.

[Bill USA]

15. Jeez, they sound as bad as Southern Baptists!

[anneboleyn]

23. The language is very Protestant/evangelical in tone. The church itself wouldn't issue something like

this so it may have come from a Baptist trying to "fix" the Catholic vote (Catholics do tend to vote for democrats)! Obviously I am just speculating...

[BigDemVoter]

20. And WHEN are those fucking assholes going to lose their tax exempt privileges?

[struggle4progress]

21. ... The Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego on Wednesday said the messages in the flier

and bulletin do not reflect Catholic teaching or diocese policies, are inappropriate, and that voters should use their conscience to determine which candidates to support. “It’s not a mortal sin to vote for Democrats, number one. And number two, the church doesn’t take positions on this, and we’re not going to,” diocese spokesman Kevin Eckery said ... The diocese said the flier was not authorized by the parish, but it was somehow inserted into the Oct. 16 bulletin ...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/sd-me-church-bulletin-20161102-story.html

[anneboleyn]

24. I am happy to hear that they issued a statement on this -- the "mortal sin" line was absurd

[Equinox Moon]

25. And they call themselves Christians.

Good grief!!!

[pnwmom]

32. The Church had nothing to do with this. n/t

[dhol82]

26. Sorry - take away their IRS exemption!

Pieces of shite!

[FarPoint]

27. Remove their Tax free standing...

Then, remove polling equipment ASAP to new location and provide volunteers to direct voters to correct location.

[pnwmom]

33. Neither that church nor the diocese had anything to do with it.

Church doors are typically left unlocked so people can pray. Anyone could have gone in and inserted the fliers into the bulletins.

[Equinox Moon]

34. Including the Church!

Remember this is the world-wide religious organization that has a world-wide long standing cover-up of their predator priests. They say 6% of priests world-wide are pedophiles. Seems to me, "The Church" is capable of stuffing church bulletins with Trump propaganda.

[pnwmom]

35. And the diocese has announced that it does NOT express their policy and they didn't do it.

Any actual CATHOLIC knows this. It sounds much more likely something an evangelical might say -- hoping they can convince Catholics.

[Equinox Moon]

36. I understand that trusting "their word" is most comfortable.

I hold my doubts and say that, the church, is capable of wrongdoing.

Who knows, maybe they will catch the person, and mystery solved. If they talk.

Have a good night. No worries.

[pnwmom]

37. No, it is most logical and fact-based. The Church finds fault

with positions taken by each of the parties. It does not take partisan sides, believing both parties are flawed, all humans sin, and individuals have to make up their own minds.