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Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:29 PM

Just look at one county in PA and its just mind blowing and shocking... the results are very shady

LUZERNE COUNTY

Year Republican Democratic
2016 58.0% 78,303 38.6% 52,092
2012 46.7% 58,325 51.5% 64,307
2008 45.0% 61,127 53.3% 72,492
2004 47.8% 64,953 51.2% 69,573
2000 43.8% 52,328 52.0% 62,199
1996 37.3% 43,577 51.5% 60,174
1992 38.8% 49,285 44.5% 56,623
1988 50.0% 59,059 49.6% 58,553
1984 53.5% 69,169 45.2% 58,482
1980 50.2% 67,822 44.4% 59,976
1976 44.2% 60,058 54.9% 74,655
1972 60.9% 81,358 38.3% 51,128
1968 39.8% 57,044 55.1% 79,040
1964 28.9% 43,895 70.0% 106,397
1960 40.6% 70,711 59.1% 102,998

Luzerne County Courthouse
As of November 2008, there are 187,849 registered voters in Luzerne County.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzerne_County,_Pennsylvania

As of November 2008, there are 187,849 registered voters in Luzerne County.[18]

Democratic: 111,317 (59.26%)
Republican: 61,085 (32.52%)
Other Parties: 15,447 (8.22%)

This county has not voted Republican since 1992 and HRC lost by 20 points, we must look into PA vote counting.

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Reply Just look at one county in PA and its just mind blowing and shocking... the results are very shady (Original post)
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 OP
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #1
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #2
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #3
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #4
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #10
SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #13
leanforward Nov 2016 #5
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #6
ucrdem Nov 2016 #7
LineLineReply 1
uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9
Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #12
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #16
ucrdem Nov 2016 #17
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #14
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #15
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #20
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #25
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #26
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #27
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #31
stevenleser Nov 2016 #34
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #35
Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #24
pnwmom Nov 2016 #19
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #21
pnwmom Nov 2016 #22
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #23
Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #29
Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #28
cilla4progress Nov 2016 #30
blitzburgh55 Nov 2016 #32
stevenleser Nov 2016 #33
wordpix Nov 2016 #38
MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #40
wordpix Nov 2016 #36
Botany Nov 2016 #37
Coyotl Nov 2016 #39

Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:41 PM

1. Just curious, did you read the text next to the chart you posted? n/t

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:43 PM

2. Sorry confused which text?

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:46 PM

3. In the Wikipedia article

Where it says that Luzerne county is a bellwether county; one that has voted with the candidate who went on to win PA in every Presidential election since 1960.

Doesn't seem that unusual given this info, IMO.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:52 PM

4. Yes I read that part but that seems to me as anecdotal... suddenly huge number of Obama voters

switched... elections donot switch just like that... I would accepted is HRC lost by 2-5 points but 20 points looks very shady to me... All you need to turn one election is get one county like this to turn the results.

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:11 PM

8. I personally wouldn't call

a 16 election trend "anecdotal", but to each his own.

While county registration is up slightly overall, Democratic registration is down, while Republican and independent/no party registrations are up.

I don't see this as anything other than a county whose voters wanted something different. You obviously see something more sinister, but as I said, to each his own.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:17 PM

10. Actually county population decreased by 0.8 % based on US census site...

I doubt people alliances change so fast in 4 years, I mean Obama won this double digit... its really hard for me to believe loosing by 20% ... so either these sleeping voters who never voted came out or Obama voters switched... there is a data of consistency... yes I do believe something is not right... and finding out should not be difficult in specific counties...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:28 PM

11. There were more Republican votes

than there are registered Republicans, so obviously Democrats and independents/non-affiliated voted for Trump.

But if you look the percentage of registered Democrats who voted for the Democratic candidate in 2008, 2012 and 2016, you'll see that the decline is pretty consistent.

~65.1% in 2008 (based on 2008 registration data)
~57.8% in 2012 (down 7.3 points, based on 2008 registration data)
~49.4% in 2016 (down 8.4 points, based on 2016 registration data)

And I'm not looking at the population, I'm looking at voter registration as of March 2016. Obviously, it could have changed between March and November, but I'm guessing it's more accurate than using 2008 for 2008, 2012 and 2016.

[link:http://citizensvoice.com/news/voter-registration-party-switching-up-in-county-1.2020853|

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:44 PM

13. 2008 years was exceptional year so when we should consider turnout "O" factor must be considered...

The voter registration data does show:

1. Many D voters were always voting R, they changed preference to vote in primary, PA, I guess is a closed state. This does show excitement for Trump.
2. The population is stable in this county, this means not major movement has happened and natural decline due to aging.
3. Whatever shifts have happened, Census does show rise in AA, Asian, Hispanic population and whites declining, yes this does not show how will actually vote but provides one more point to consider.

The only way Trump can win here by 20 points by pulling D votes... The history shows they have been very consistent...

I will try to compile database of MI, PA to see what exactly happened... WI is different story, we lost due to low turnout...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:54 PM

5. Makes me think of Ohio in 2012. Rove melted on FAUX.

There is another blog out here, that outlined some nefarious activity going on with vote totaling. Simple little programs that move voting totals around in the transmission of voting results to the Secretary of State Office. What you have pointed out is suspect. Who has had access to the voting machines? Are the tabulators electronic or called in.

I read that in NC, one county's computing tabulator went down on election day. That same county is being recounted. Why just this one county?

Is any of the election equipment connected with a software/firmware company located in Tennessee. I don't trust some of the voting officials.

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Response to leanforward (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:57 PM

6. I mean Obama won 2012 by 18k votes and HRC lost by 26k votes... 20 % to be exact... this kind

anomaly does not happen by chance... or Trump outperformed HRC in this county...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:01 PM

7. They voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Barack, Barack, then Trump by 20%?

Yes that seems odd, especially as the population has been so stable.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:13 PM

9. 1

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:42 PM

12. Hacked.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:59 PM

16. Well it does seem like this... this is really a anomaly

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:01 PM

17. It looks that way.

Comey's dirt bomb might have made a dent but not a 20% dent. Absent a dramatic explanation this looks very suspicious.

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:50 PM

14. As of the 2010 census, the county was 90.7% White, 3.4% Black or African American

 

Great white "wave"

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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:53 PM

15. Nope, look at data closely from Census..

http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/42079

in 2015, the estimate is whites (not Hispanic) are 84% and declined by 4% from 2010...

Hispanics, Asians, AA's and others are 16% of population..

And the whites here are pretty consistent, I will imaging White decline is due to aging and they were actually R voters.

Its not making sense... unless someone can go on grounds in this county.

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:06 PM

18. It could be hacked, it could not be hacked, or, like the dominant theme seems to be,

 

it could be whites rallied around the orange dumpster.

I have a friend here in London, her parents moved to a small county about 200 km outside Chicago, almost all white. Carroll county.

Was the 3rd biggest (by percentage) switch from Obama to Trump in the entire US. I highly doubt they were hacked, it is in the middle of nowhere.

I am not saying hacking did not happen, but where the hell is the Clinton Campaign and the DNC? If they had the slightest whiff, I would have to think they were all over it.

The night of the election, I knew, as soon as Macomb county MI started coming in big for Trump, it was over.

Maybe you should look there.


someone knew what they were talking about

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7880721


Response to Purveyor (Reply #3)Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:09 PM
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17. If Trump wins in Michigan

It won't be the Flint voters.

It will be the blue collar Democrats in Oakland and Macomb County who are wooed by the chance that he might do something to stop jobs from leaving SE Michigan.

These are the same voters that gave George Wallace the Democratic primary victory over McGovern and Humphrey in 1972. They could care less about the people in Flint.



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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:15 PM

20. Luzerne was large enough county to make a difference... its one thing that R's were all fired up but

D's moving and chanting bad slogans is very difficult, they voted for a foreign born Muslim just four years back (sarcasm)...

http://wnep.com/2016/11/09/why-did-luzerne-county-flip-to-republican-for-trump/

HRC loosing every precint in Luzerne... really...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:49 PM

25. Here is the head of the Democratic party for Luzerne County, contact him

 

http://www.padems.com/county/luzerne/

LUZERNE COUNTY

Mike DeCosmo, Chair
1269 Sans Souci Pkwy.
Hanover Twp. PA, 18706


http://local.psdispatch.com/hanover-twp-pa/community/political-organization/luzerne-county-democratic-committee-570-655-1418

Luzerne County Democratic Committee
Community / Political Organization
1269 Sans Souci Pkwy., Hanover Twp, PA 18706 (570) 655-1418


http://www.yellowpages.com/hazle-township-pa/mip/michael-c-decosmo-certified-public-accountant-503305911?lid=503305911

Michael C Decosmo Certified Public Accountant
1203 S Church St, Hazle Township, PA 18201
(570) 459-2859



Luzerne County voted for Trump, and has matched Pa.'s outcome since 1932

http://crossroads.newsworks.org/keystone-crossroads/item/98822-luzerne-county-voted-for-trump-and-has-matched-pas-outcome-since-1932


If last week's election taught us anything, it's that polling and predictions don't always match up to the final outcome. By 2020, we may have resorted to reading signs in tea leaves or the stars to guess who the next president will be.

Or, should we just watch Luzerne County?

Luzerne, in Northeastern Pennsylvania, has voted for the candidate that took the state in every election since 1932. The last time Luzerne County disagreed with the rest of Pennsylvania was when Franklin Delano Roosevelt won the presidency and Luzerne County, but lost the Keystone State overall.

snip


The harbinger of Trump

Luzerne County has long been a Democratic stronghold, with it's white, working-class, union-affiliated population. The county hasn't voted for a Republican president since 1988. But there have been some signs that the days of Democratic domination were coming to an end.

"Luzerne County now lines up much more closely with the demographic profile of Western Pennsylvania," said Baldino. "Older, whiter voters living in areas that used to be supported by coal or steel, who have seen those good-paying jobs disappear and not come back. That area of the state has started to trend Republican over the last 15 years, and Luzerne County is starting to look more like that."

And how.

In the primary, Trump had no greater success in Pennsylvania than Luzerne County, where he won 77 percent of the Republican vote. This election season, 5,643 Luzerne County Democrats switched to the Republican party, the largest shift in either direction from any county besides Philadelphia and Allegheny. U.S. Rep. Lou Barletta, a hard-line anti-immigration Republican who campaigned for Trump, was re-elected with 64 percent of the vote.

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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:54 PM

26. Yes ... I also saw that... if the switch was real and jobs was the real reason ... then we know how

entire white country moved due to the reasons what other person campaigned on:

1. Build the wall
2. Ban Muslims
3. Re negotiate NAFTA
4. Repeal Obamacare, I wonder how many recepeints of Obamacare in this county?

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:12 PM

27. I dont know what else to say other than a huge amount of USA white people are blind,

 

ignorant racist-enabling or flat out racist, homophobic, sexist, bible banging, gullible (goes along with being a fundie xian bastard) troglodytes.

We also ran (and I have supported with all my heart and soul, and KNOW she was the most qualified candidate ever) a woman, who as the result of 27 years plus of constant right-wing attacks was truly and profoundly HATED by tens upon tens of millions of people. That hatred of Hillary drove people in vast numbers to switch party, or come out to vote for the first time in decades (if ever), and to do ticket splitting.

It was a perfect storm, a perfect shitstorm of confluences, and now we literally have a theocratic fascist racialist government being erected right before our eyes. They soon have control of all 3 federal branches of government, and HUGE majorities at state level in terms of statewide elected offices, governorships, state legislatures (which will FUCK us in 2020 Census redistricting, just like 2010, and lead to the decade of the 2020's House being almost impossible to take back) and also city and county governments. 2018 is shaping up to be a bloodbath for Dems in the Senate, with a very real possibility they can actually hit 60 seats.

We are fucked, the Rethugs gamed us at every level, they played for the long game, by crushing us down in the non glamourous levels of state and local politics. Women, PoC, LGBTQ folk (I am all 3, but live in London, luckily), immigrants, non christians, Muslims in particular but also atheists, Buddhists, etc etc, the poor, the middle class, we are all going into the meat grinder at a multiplicity of levels and ways.

I am terrified for the future of the disunited states of amerikkka.

sorry I cannot be of more help or a cheerful person

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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:21 AM

31. Yes this is all true.and all we can hope if Trump Kids get him in senses ... that is the only hope

I mean he was a registered D until 2009... I know I am praying for the best and will not happen ... but with SOTUS gone ... we are gone behind atleast 25 years or more.

I have never felt so hopeless in my life


I remember talking to my co-passenger on a flight from India to Singapore, she asked me if there a possibility of Trump being president, I blindly said "No"... she further asked me ... if he becomes ? ... I replied, that is unfathomable, USA will cease to exist.

I can see this happening now.

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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 03:57 AM

34. If that all explained it, you would expect to see it reflected in the state assembly elections for

 

that county. They don't. See my post downthread. In the assembly elections, it is just like you would expect from previous elections, Democratic candidates outperformed their Republican counterparts by about 18,000 votes.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 04:21 AM

35. fair point, I suggest you contact the Democratic Party in the county to follow up

 

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:10 PM

19. Unfortunately, I read that 80% of PA uses electronic machines that have no paper trail

and can't be audited after the fact. I bet that county is one of them.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:17 PM

21. I mean HRC lost every precint in this county ... no way this kind of shift can happen

County voted for a Black man by 18 points...

One of my mission is to travel to this county and see what really happened...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:23 PM

22. Did you see this article?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/fair-election-serious-hard-explain-questions-arise-about-trump-vote-totals-3-key

A Fair Election? Serious, Hard-to-Explain Questions Arise About Trump Vote Totals in 3 Key States

Voting rights advocates are scrambling to see if recounts are feasible in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:26 PM

23. Yes I read about this... I know there was enthusiam for Trump but 18k becomes -26k in a county

of about 185k registered voters is a anomaly... it it really happened, democratic party need to put major resources in these kinds of county...

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:16 PM

29. Should at least try with what we can count, anyways

 

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:14 PM

28. It takes only 3 voters to get a recount to happen

 

Make it happen

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:34 PM

30. Yes. Make it happen!

Please.

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 01:22 PM

32. What can we do?

How can we get someone to look into this?

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 03:49 AM

33. Looks even more odd when you look at the elections for state assembly in that county

 

Democratic candidates for assembly outperformed their Republican counterparts by around 18,000 votes. So you would have to believe a massive amount of folks voted Democratic for state assembly and then voted Trump.

It's not impossible by any means, but it warrants a very deep look.


On edit, here are all the results for that county: http://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/ENR_New/General/CountyResults?countyName=Luzerne&ElectionID=undefined&ElectionType=G&IsActive=undefined

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 11:04 AM

38. votes for state legislators are most telling - I'm in a red town/region in a blue state

My town and region went bigly for Trump and also for R state legislators, which is the norm. But the state voted for Dem congressmen and senator, which is also expected.

What happened in Luzerne is a big red flag that should be investigated.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:46 PM

40. this is very very odd...

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 10:27 AM

36. you're right---Pennsylvanians should be demanding investigation

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 10:36 AM

37. Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama and

... now they vote for Trump?

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Original post)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 12:02 PM

39. A mere 90,000 flipped votes in two states (PA & FL) would alter the EC result.

 

Exit polls:


Twenty states sorted by candidate percentage of votes, linear trend lines are mean tendency.


Exit polls and average polls compared.

Mean red shift for all states with exit polls is less than in the 20 states with contested Senate seats. The 2004 fifty state mean was a 1.45% red shift, with every state below 5%. 2016 represents a 244% increase of exit poll red shift.

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Scatter plots focused on the battleground states, blue dots represents states with Dem winner in exit poll losing the election. In Ohio, the Republican margin and the red shift are nearly equal. In MO, the exit poll is off by more than 10%. Blunt was losing in the pre-election polling.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/electionintegrity/CKgvhwJ6Src

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