Screen-shots: Wisconsin vote totals don't match ballots cast

[ucrdem]

WISCONSIN: An image of the electronically calculated count in Sauk County, Wisconsin, showing 2,700 more votes tallied than ballots cast. The vote totals with arrows should all be the same:

from: https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/801085767984578560
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The numbers display that in 3 precincts in Outagamie County, all won by DT, more votes were counted for President than cast:

from: https://twitter.com/SuzanEraslan/status/801075201584795648
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The vote count snafus in these two counties are among a dozen counties identified by election integrity activists as reporting improbably high turnout levels—above 85 percent—in the presidential election. “Either these voter turnout percentages are an historic achievement, unparalleled in my experience, or the unofficial results are not true and correct,” wrote Richard Hayes Phillips, a PhD statistician, in an early analysis of 12 Wisconsin counties, including Sauk and Outagamie counties.

Source: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/pressure-builds-presidential-recounts-key-2016-swing-state

hmm..

[Silver Gaia]

1. K&R

[Granny M]

2. Kick!

Shocked. Shocked, I say.

[lovemydog]

3. This is really infuriating.

[ucrdem]

5. It is.

But in a strange way it's also an homage to Hillary Clinton. Who else would trigger this level of corruption for the election of a ham sandwich?

[lovemydog]

8. Haha!

I can't say that dude's name. Ham sandwich is a good one. I also like Mr. Tangerine Man.

Yes, I take much solace in knowing more than 2 million more people voted for her in the popular vote. That's a lot!

Hope you & your loved ones enjoy a happy thanksgiving, ucrdem.

[ucrdem]

9. hey thanks!

Not the TG I'd hoped for but we still have much to be grateful for. And our best days lie ahead!

[lovemydog]

10. For sure.

Our best days lie ahead. Well, except for the agonizing lonely death part! We'll continue laughing & holding each other up. This year I'm going to some friends. Some of my funnest TG's have just been hanging out eating raman noodles or turkey pot pie & laughing by myself that I don't have the 'family get-together with odd distant relatives' stress, lol.

[ailsagirl]

56. Can't say his name either-- and whichever nickname I use is never capitalized

Wish everyone here felt the same

Enjoy your holiday!

[lovemydog]

65. We can be thankful

we're not fuckface von clownstick.

Happy thanksgiving to you too ailsagirl!

[ailsagirl]

67. That's a new one!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, lovemydog!!

[ucrdem]

4. p.s. it seems Outgamie is in WI so I'm going to amend and omit Florida. nt

[Lucinda]

6. ...

[pangaia]

7. Somebody better hurry up.

[DFW]

11. i.e.electronic vote-tallying machines cannot be trusted

But we've known that since 2002, and use them anyway.

Someone just doused us with gasoline again. Anyone got a match?

[BigBearJohn]

12. How can this be ignored by the Clinton campaign?

[raging moderate]

15. Do you think Hillary has been threatened?

She just quit so suddenly. It reminds me of Al Gore after Bush was selected for President. He seemed scared. And I have thought that Obama had a "been threatened" feeling a few times.

[BigBearJohn]

17. would not surprise me one bit

[Squinch]

48. If she had been threatened, it would not stop her. So no, I don't think she has been threatened.

[JHan]

49. I'm really conflicted about it..

If Stein is serious and this election gets flipped, the Republicans will hound HRC to the ground, I don't know if I can take more of their witch hunts with HRC as president.

[bigmonkey]

51. Really, avoiding Republican ire is worth losing the election?

You can't be serious! Besides, if anyone is ready for their opposition in that circumstance, it would be Hillary Clinton.

[SHRED]

52. Oh for God's sake

[JHan]

59. LMAO

that's funny

Sorry. I take back what I said.

Let's fight.

I was thinking out loud!

[SHRED]

60. We have to laugh at each other and know...

...We are in this together.

[JHan]

62. Yep!

[raging moderate]

50. what if the threat is against a bunch of other people?

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What if these dear people, who care about others, are being told, "Look, we could do dreadful things to such and such a population," or something like that?" "Say, you'd better do as we say, or such and such group gets something horrible," or something like that?

[lunasun]

55. Perot claimed he was dropping out due to threats involving his daughter and implied bfee

[Horse with no Name]

72. He was threatened

I worked with his son-in-law

[Squinch]

69. This belongs over at Jackpine Radicals. She would not be stopped by threats. She never has, she

never will be.

[ailsagirl]

57. And also John Kerry, who dropped the election like a hot potato once junior stole it the second time

Wouldn't be surprised

[TreasonousBastard]

13. Since not everyone votes for all offices, the totals should not be the same. However, it is odd...

that more votes were cast than were cast.

Do the election officials have any explanation for this? I could see overvoting having an effect, depending how they deal with it there. I could also see changing votes or mistaken votes mistakenly being in the totals.

Is there any way to audit and recount the actual voting-- if these are from scanned paper ballots at least sampled scans would show if there was a problem counting. If there is no paper ballot, is there a realtime copy of the choices made?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

20. I've looked online for any news releases from the county

haven't found anything yet.

Those were the unofficial returns though - in the official returns, the numbers add up correctly.

[TreasonousBastard]

21. Might not be a bad idea to post the official returns here, if possible, to calm down the revolution.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. Good idea - let me go grab the link n/t

[SickOfTheOnePct]

28. Links

Sauk County official returns

https://www.co.sauk.wi.us/sites/default/files/fileattachments/2016november8generalelectionofficialresults.pdf


Explanation from Outagamie County about discrepancies in unofficial counts

http://wbay.com/2016/11/22/discrepancies-in-unofficial-outagamie-county-election-results-explained/

Sauk County turnout (hint: nowhere near the 85% claimed above)

http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsrepublic/news/local/article_e1aa9aa7-ffb8-5134-8a41-721d0938425a.html

[TreasonousBastard]

31. Thanks-- it's not always a scandal.

[treestar]

26. They'd have had time to correct it

If they rigged it of course they would have all that thought out.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

29. I'm wondering if you've ever worked as an election official

I'm guessing not, otherwise you would be aware of the number of insertion points for human error in the process.

[treestar]

30. No I have not

and actually it does make sense to me about the human error thing.

However, taking a cue from the "winning" republicans, I say don't be reasonable, just keep repeating whatever sounds good until majorities believe it ! Just keep repeating that they stole it - you know that is what they'd do.

There are people who actually believe Obama is a Muslim. Due to repetition of that ridiculous assertion. Let's pretend and get people believing it. They've shown they deserve it anyway.

[ucrdem]

32. Insertion points for "human error" are also insertion points for fraud.

And not the best quality, either. Maybe Mr T stiffed the plumbers.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. Which is why they have unofficial counts and official counts

What you're suggesting, i.e., intentional human intervention in order to manipulate the vote count, would mean that both Democratic and Republican election officers, county canvassing boards, etc., worked together to accomplish said manipulation.

Is that your claim?

[ucrdem]

35. Somebody worked together to produce a lot of bogus numbers.

Gee who could it have been.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

36. So, where do you claim the bogus numbers are? n/t

[ucrdem]

37. I guess you missed the OP.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

39. I guess where you missed that those corrections have been made

[ucrdem]

40. I guess you didn't read the article I linked to.

The screenshots were taken as the data was being inserted, I mean collected.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. I read it

And those were all unofficial results that have since been corrected.

That's why they canvass the votes after the unofficial results are in, to correct mistakes.

[ucrdem]

42. Yes I'm sure it was all just a big misunderstanding.

A thousand votes here, a thousand votes there, and voila, a battleground state turns red. Nothing to be alarmed about.

[Ms. Toad]

45. How about you volunteer as an observer next time.

That will give you a better understanding of how hectic the end of day procedures are - in an effort to post the immediate vote totals everyone demands. It will also give you a much better idea of the checks and balances built into the election process and - from the two BOEs I've observed in a battleground state - how careful the election officials are to ensure that every step of the process is carried out in full view of at least one member from each major political party.

[Igel]

46. Even better, be a poll worker.

Most jurisdictions could use more, of higher caliber.

Then you don't just see the hectic closing-end procedures, you have to do them and you know where mistakes happen.

Misread 171 as 111. Write down "148" as "184." Copy numbers down twice. Put them in the wrong column for for the wrong race.

Watched my precinct chair screw up a dozen or more (D) votes, making them invalid and uncountable. Provisional ballots had to be cast, put in an envelope, and witnessed, then that put in an envelope and signed by the voter. Upon counting, the various bits of paper are verified from the outside in, and discarded. The precinct chair got it backwards and signed where the voter should have. He knew a lot of the voters, and made sure that he specifically helped voters he knew were (D) or who volunteered the information. Now there's grounds for paranoia!

Then again, for years he'd served as the chair of the local Democratic Party and was still very active in local party politics. When one of us watched him with the little flip-card to make sure we knew how to help a voter cast his ballot late in the day (it was the guy's dinner break) we spotted the problem and very nearly put the precinct captain on suicide watch.

You also see the mid-day disasters. "This terminal isn't working, I'll check the connections." And a minute later the precinct's down, those voting at the machines are casting votes that can't be recorded, and everybody has to wait for an hour or two until a tech worker shows up to fix things and the line goes from 3 people to 50 people and stays there as another 50 people come and go.

[ucrdem]

47. That much confusion in a battleground state would suggest serious lack of planning.

Be that as it may it also makes a careful post-election audit essential.

[Ms. Toad]

70. Yup. n/t

[LisaL]

25. With over votes and under votes listed separately, there shouldn't be more votes than ballots cast.

Double votes would be counted as over votes, not as actual votes for president.

[TreasonousBastard]

27. Did you see that this wasn't the final tally?

[barbtries]

14. so they stole it.

what if anything can be done?

[ucrdem]

34. It certainly looks that way.

WI apparently has some kind of paper verified ballots so a recount would be a good place to start if there's enough interest in conducting one. It would have to be an awful lot of interest though because the media are going to go ballistic the second Hillary asks for a recount.

[barbtries]

43. they'll be bullied into being ballistic

by republicans who have no conscience and seem to scream louder than democrats. apparently ethics and rationality are disadvantages if not actual character flaws.

[jimlup]

16. ! Time to investigate

Recount time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vinca]

18. So Trump was right about one thing. The election was rigged.

[LisaL]

22. He is a master at projecting.

[Madam45for2923]

19. Wisconsin Board of Elections: [phone] Senator Tammy Baldwin: [phone] (Madison)

• Wisconsin Board of Elections: [phone]
• Senator Tammy Baldwin: [phone] (Madison) / [phone] (DC)

#AuditTheVote

https://twitter.com/SuzanEraslan/status/801075908169711616

[treestar]

24. This shit is starting to get real

There is nothing right wingers won't stoop to. That is suspicious.

[ucrdem]

38. Wait til they get caught.

That's when the real show starts.

[liberalla]

44. Recount!

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… NOW!


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Damn it!

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[SHRED]

53. Yep...got to!

[FailureToCommunicate]

54. K & R

[leanforward]

58. Let the recount begin

To steal the vote is unimaginable. Couple of thoughts. Audit them. Track them down. If any election official is standing by with these glaringly gross errors, maybe it is time for them to go. In essence, they are stealing. May the folks that are directly involved in something like this, go to Gitmo for six months. To me, silence is guilty. And they lose their voting rights. If and when they get to any computer companies, take them down. Employees, owners, shareholders take their assets.

Thank you to all the investigating journalists out there.

[AgadorSparticus]

61. Time to audit the election and recount! Trump has been saying all along

The election is rigged. WE SHOULD BELIEVE HIM. What's he going to say to that? No, is not rigged now that he won? Kind of a double edged sword that projection.

What's his people going to say? No? He was just lying? He opened the door to this, actually, and we should oblige....

[progressoid]

63. Official numbers no longer show a discrepancy.

https://gis.outagamie.org/ElectionReportsOfficial/November2016Election/Official%20Results%20-%20Nov.%208,%202016%20President-VP.pdf

[ucrdem]

64. Not dramatic discrepancies, but now they're showing an anomaly,

namely 85.36% turnout:

“Either these voter turnout percentages are an historic achievement, unparalleled in my experience, or the unofficial results are not true and correct,” wrote Richard Hayes Phillips, a PhD statistician, in an early analysis of 12 Wisconsin counties, including Sauk and Outagamie counties.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/pressure-builds-presidential-recounts-key-2016-swing-state

[C Moon]

66. That's how they did it.

[DallasNE]

68. That Sauk County Report Is Poorly Designed

For starters, it should have cross-check totals and flag (**) any variance in total ballots cast and print the over/under tally for ready reference.

One assumes when you see "Total" it means total for the category, including blank ballots.

Voter turnout was larger in 2012 than in 2016 and Romney received a larger percentage of the larger turnout than has Trump 48 versus 47. The unusual pattern of voter turnout cannot be explained by looking at the raw numbers. How much of this was voter ID laws, fewer polling locations and suspicious vote totals such as this.

[oasis]

71. It's time for an investigation. nt

[Liberal In Texas]

73. Looks like we're going to get an audit.

Good!

[TheFrenchRazor]

74. nothing to see here folks, move along... nt