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Jill Stein hitting front page news... (Original Post) JSup Nov 2016 OP
Definitely something to cilla4progress Nov 2016 #1
I don't really trust this.. FarPoint Nov 2016 #9
I don't trust it either but since neither Gore nor Hillary nor Kerry have pushed back.. lostnfound Nov 2016 #23
LOL, the depolorables are sweating are they? ucrdem Nov 2016 #2
She did? What did she do? pangaia Nov 2016 #4
I don't know if it's her doing but she found a way to challenge the results ucrdem Nov 2016 #6
Big smile here world wide wally Nov 2016 #7
Here too. ucrdem Nov 2016 #8
Me too!! ailsagirl Nov 2016 #12
I agree: Hillary needs to come forward and lead here! We can't have another election stolen! C Moon Nov 2016 #14
Yes, they are... JSup Nov 2016 #16
I honestly believe he was talking about himself JonLP24 Nov 2016 #20
KNR Lucinda Nov 2016 #3
KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #5
If I were a drumpferite... ailsagirl Nov 2016 #10
I just donated to the cause. C Moon Nov 2016 #11
Yes! blue-wave Nov 2016 #13
Dems aren't fighting this battle at all. It's all Jill Stein who I wouldn't send a damn penny to davidn3600 Nov 2016 #15
I wasted a little bit of money. Won't feel crushed if it changes nothing. boston bean Nov 2016 #18
I doubt all three states can be flipped JonLP24 Nov 2016 #19
It would only take one to flip to bring down the whole house of cards nolabels Nov 2016 #22
I won't feel crushed, either. THAT already happened 2 weeks ago. Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #21
I would never have voted for her DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #17

lostnfound

(16,309 posts)
23. I don't trust it either but since neither Gore nor Hillary nor Kerry have pushed back..
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:04 AM
Nov 2016

What other choice is there?

I'm sick of unaccountable processes.

ucrdem

(15,700 posts)
2. LOL, the depolorables are sweating are they?
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:19 AM
Nov 2016

They were counting on Hillary keeping quiet to avoid their flying spittle and low and behold she outsmarted them AGAIN.


ucrdem

(15,700 posts)
6. I don't know if it's her doing but she found a way to challenge the results
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:40 AM
Nov 2016

without becoming a target of their ridicule. Curses, foiled again!

C Moon

(12,331 posts)
14. I agree: Hillary needs to come forward and lead here! We can't have another election stolen!
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:13 AM
Nov 2016

...then again, maybe they know more than we do about this. :/

JSup

(740 posts)
16. Yes, they are...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:18 AM
Nov 2016

...the poor Trumplings; here are some quotes from an awful site I won't link to:


If they are able to pull this off then there is no hope for this country and our futures. It means the scum "protesting" in the streets won. They got what they wanted.

Just heard on Clyde that rumour has Clinton up by 2 million in the popular vote, and that 6 electorates have flipped in Dems favour ..

I have real bad vibes about this

That bitch Jill Stein has ruined my Thanksgiving holiday. I was set to have a nice long holiday weekend break from news, politics, etc. Now I have this damn story to dwell on...

They realized they didn't pad the votes enough to win so now they are looking back at the potential votes they can add for people who didn't show up to vote.


I <3 stupid people.

The way they panic makes me think they know the election was shady in Trump's favor to begin with.

JonLP24

(29,329 posts)
20. I honestly believe he was talking about himself
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:03 AM
Nov 2016

When he claimed it was rigged and the only way he could lose Pennsylvania was if there was cheating going on. I think he was projecting to hide the admission to the public.

This may not be the best but it is close enough as to why I believe so.

....
Sometimes people will use metaphors and metaphorical speech to try to hide different threats or use words that are not obvious in their association to a threatening nature and try to reduce the risk of exposure or criminal evidence.
http://www.psychologicalharassment.com/psychological-manipulation.htm#Psychological_Manipulations_used_in_Covert_Type_Investigations

blue-wave

(4,484 posts)
13. Yes!
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:10 AM
Nov 2016

This is actually my first post since the election. I plan on becoming a gold star member very soon.

If there is anyone out there who can corral computer experts, this is the expertise that is needed. We need to prove mathematically and through computer programming that this election was stolen. Prove hacking of the touch screen, computerized voting machines!!

Remember, we were TOLD that the election would be stolen, they just didn't tell us that they would steal OUR votes!!

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
15. Dems aren't fighting this battle at all. It's all Jill Stein who I wouldn't send a damn penny to
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:13 AM
Nov 2016

This election is over. Nothing will change the results.

But if you want to waste money and get your hopes up only be crushed again.....have at it.

boston bean

(36,297 posts)
18. I wasted a little bit of money. Won't feel crushed if it changes nothing.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:33 AM
Nov 2016

I am actually quite skeptical. But if these states recounted it is only good for democracy.

JonLP24

(29,329 posts)
19. I doubt all three states can be flipped
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:48 AM
Nov 2016

But with all the issues the election needs an audit


Hacked or Not, Audit This Election (And All Future Ones)


AFTER AN ELECTION marred by hacker intrusions that breached the Democratic National Committee and the email account of one of Hillary Clinton’s top staffers, Americans are all too ready to believe that their actual votes have been hacked, too. Now those fears have been stoked by a team of security experts, who argue that voting machine vulnerabilities mean Clinton should demand recounts in key states.

Dig into their argument, however, and it’s less alarmist than it might appear. If anything, it’s practical. There’s no evidence that the outcome of the presidential election was shifted by compromised voting machines. But a statistical audit of electronic voting results in key states as a routine safeguard—not just an emergency measure—would be a surprisingly simple way to ease serious, lingering doubts about America’s much-maligned electoral security. “Auditing ought to be a standard part of the election process,” says Ron Rivest, a cryptographer and computer science professor at MIT. “It ought to be a routine thing as much as a doctor washing his hands.”

Electronic Elections Need Audits
On Wednesday, University of Michigan computer security researcher Alex Halderman published a blog post arguing that Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania should perform recounts due to risks that the election was hacked. The article followed a far more sensational report from New York Magazine the evening before stating that Halderman and a team of experts tried to persuade Clinton staffers to request that recount, citing a disparity in Clinton votes between counties that used fully electronic versus paper ballot voting. (Halderman disputed the accuracy of some of NY Mag’s claims, and at no point said there was hard evidence of an actual hack.)

(Snip)

Election security experts still agree with Halderman’s underlying argument: that auditing elections would help to settle dangerous, persistent uncertainty in a system potentially plagued by hackers. They’re not as taxing as a full recount. And, importantly, they shouldn’t solely be deployed as an emergency provision in contested elections, but rather a default part of the process. MIT’s Rivest quotes his computer scientist colleague at George Washington University, Poorvi Vora: “Brush your teeth. Eat your spinach. Audit your elections.”

https://www.wired.com/2016/11/hacked-not-audit-election-rest/amp/

I support a recount simply for those issues and get rid of those machines. They have been nothing but problematic.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
22. It would only take one to flip to bring down the whole house of cards
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:27 AM
Nov 2016

Can you honestly say those POS in DC give a rats ass about what we think or happens to us?

Silver Gaia

(4,609 posts)
21. I won't feel crushed, either. THAT already happened 2 weeks ago.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:11 AM
Nov 2016

But this is something that needs to be done. If for no other reason, for our peace of mind, for knowing that we at least pulled together to get that much done. I'm tired of seeing so many irregularities and no one does squat about it.

DonCoquixote

(13,617 posts)
17. I would never have voted for her
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:17 AM
Nov 2016

with her being anti vax, which I believe gambles with children's lives, but if she pulls this off, I will be the first to say she deserves the congressional medal of freedom.

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