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Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:16 AM


Is There a Historical Comparision to This Election? Yes: The Association of German National Jews

As I read through the results of this election, I am astonished by some of the cross tabs.

More Muslims voted for Trump than for Mitt Romney. More Latinos voted for Trump than for Mitt Romney. Way more white union members voted for Trump than Mitt Romney. More Blacks voted for Trump than Mitt Romney. To be sure, there was not a majority of any of these groups for Donald Trump, but there was just enough to tip this election. What's up with that?

Here's what's up. In the 1930's there really, really was a group which was later described as "Jews for Hitler". It is not unusual for people to rationalize a position and not only vote against themselves, but take an active role in working to fuck themselves. Rational people will never understand that, and it's senseless to try.

<snip> Among the activities of this group was the fight against the Jewish boycott of German goods.[5] They also issued a manifesto that stated that the Jews were being fairly treated.

In 1934 the group made the following statement:[6]

"We have always held the well-being of the German people and the fatherland, to which we feel inextricably linked, above our own well-being. Thus we greeted the results of January, 1933, even though it has brought hardship for us personally."

A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism only was for the purpose of "stirring up the masses".[1]

The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".[7][8]

Despite their extreme patriotism, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Max Naumann, was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939. <snip>

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Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:34 PM

1. The point of this post..........


..........is that the groups of voters I've listed here will be the first ones fucked in a Trump Administration.

The numbers range from a low of 8% among African-Americans to a high of 55% among White Union members (40% overall). 30% for Latinos (as opposed to 27% for Romney).

there is a big difference between voting for someone who betrays you. After all, you can only decide by what you know. In this case, Trump has said he's going to fuck these groups, much the same way Hitler said about Jews in Germany prior to the Nazi's taking power.

I don't know how to combat this dichotomy, since I can only apply logic to the situation. Once people with knowledge on the subject are marginalized as "elite", one loses the conversation before it starts.

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Fri Nov 25, 2016, 07:37 AM

2. Kick on Friday Morning


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