2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOnly Floridas Secretary of State can call for a recount, and we're calling on him to do just that.
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We call on Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner to hold an immediate 2016 recountThe current Florida vote totals have Donald Trump ahead in Florida by just over 119,000 votes. In any ordinary year, that could be too considered large of a margin to warrant a recount. However, it represents just barely one percent of the vote, and there are numerous specific reasons to believe that Floridas 2016 vote totals may be suspect.
In addition to the final polling averages and predictive models which all pointed to a Hillary Clinton victory in the state, the early voting totals leaned so heavily in Clintons favor that it should have been all but mathematically impossible for Trump to have come back and won the state. And this is within the larger context of numerous mathematical unlikelihoods and irregularities around the nation in this election.
https://www.change.org/p/florida-secretary-of-state-ken-detzner-we-call-on-florida-secretary-of-state-ken-detzner-to-hold-an-immediate-2016-recount
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)I was distressed to read that Jill Stein wasn't going for Florida, maybe too expensive, too much to do.
I started reading at twitter while DU was down. I found this.
Rigged election: Hillary Clintons early-voting lead in Florida was mathematically insurmountable
https://t.co/1XAtmirRsZ
New information on the recount at link here
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/jill-stein-reaches/216/
Also good news on Wisconsin, They started preparing for a recount as they saw Stein was going to meet the fee.
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/wisconsin-preparing-for-recount-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/210/
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Too late for a recount.
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/227694-state-leaders-certify-general-election-results
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)"Its official.
The state Elections Canvassing Commission made up of Gov. Rick Scott, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and CFO Jeff Atwater, all participating by phone certified the results of the Nov. 8 General Election Thursday. The meeting took less than two minutes."
Bondi should be in prison for the pay to play with Trump. Maybe some clever lawyer can't find a way to challenge.
mcar
(42,302 posts)Thanks!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)mathematically impossible for Trump to have won?
Here's an article from Politico that said on Nov 5th, voters registered as Democrats had an edge 7,280 early voters compared to 104,000 in 2012. If you're claiming that 7,280 is an insurmountable edge, that's laughable.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/florida-early-voting-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-230788
Here's one from the next day showing Democrats had a 33,000 edge in registration among early voters. Again it notes the substantial difference in percentage from 2012 to 2016.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/florida-early-voting-230841
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)There was a single exit poll that came out about a week before the election that claimed that 28% of Republican early voters were voting for Hillary. This was based on ~400 people that they polled via phone and the internet of the 3.6 million who had voted up to that point.
Then this blogger, something Palmer, decided that since 28% of Republicans in the 3.6 million early voters had voted for Hillary up to the week before the election, 28% Republicans in the remaining 3 million that early voted between the exit poll and election day must have also voted for Hillary.
The poll was an outlier, couldn't even provide a margin of error because of the way it was conducted, and then Palmer took iffy results based on 3.6 million voters and extrapolated them out to another 3 million voters.
And it's all moot anyway, because Florida has already certified their vote, so there can't be a recount at this point.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)Personally I think it is crazy Florida's timeline has certification done that early but it does and it has passed. A recount at this point would literally be unlawful.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Plus, there is no way the Republican SoS appointed by Gov. Scott (constitution changed in 1998 to make SoS a political appointment with no term limit) was ever even thinking about checking the election's integrity.
About the only route to do anything at this time would be a court challenge, and it is hard to imagine what that could even be. Plaintiffs would need to show cause such as the SoS failure to act in the face of evidence at hand at the time.