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Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:50 PM

 

Just for the Record, Every Popular Vote, Electoral Vote Split has Fucked the Democrat

1824, Whig Party John Quincy Adams defeated Democrat Andrew Jackson.

1876, Republican Rutherford B. Hayes defeated Democrat Samuel Tilden.

1888, Republican Benjamin Harrison defeated Democrat Grover Cleveland.

2000, Republican George W. Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore.

2016, Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Why wouldn't every Democrat want to change that system?

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Reply Just for the Record, Every Popular Vote, Electoral Vote Split has Fucked the Democrat (Original post)
louis c Nov 2016 OP
JHan Nov 2016 #1
yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #2
Bob41213 Nov 2016 #14
LisaL Nov 2016 #3
MattP Nov 2016 #4
louis c Nov 2016 #7
davidn3600 Nov 2016 #5
LisaL Nov 2016 #10
Statistical Nov 2016 #13
billymike Nov 2016 #6
colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #8
Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #9
LisaL Nov 2016 #11
Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2016 #12

Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:51 PM

1. the EC is an antiquated joke

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Response to JHan (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:01 PM

2. I hope Democratic Party requests a constitutional amendment. Score 2020.

 

We surely have the support of americans.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:19 PM

14. It'd be a waste of time.

All it takes is 13 states to block this from going through.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:03 PM

3. Of course.

We play the game by the rules that greatly favor republicans. Then we wonder why we lose.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:06 PM

4. In the 1800's we would have been radical left rebublicans

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Response to MattP (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:14 PM

7. Actually

 

The Republicans stood down after the Tilden fight. That was the compromise. Republicans get the Presidency, the Union troops leave the South to Jim Crow.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:08 PM

5. It will never change. Most people have accepted that fact.

 

Changing the Constitution requires 2/3rds majority in both the House and the Senate. AND it then requires the agreement of 38 states. Ultimately, there is no way you are going to change this system to a popular vote. The small states and the regions like the South are not going to forfeit their power. And this election even further cements that fact.

Take a look at the 2016 results. Right now Hillary Clinton won California by 3.5 million votes. She won New York by 1.5 million votes. Hillary will win the popular vote by more than 2 million. So her margin of victory in the popular vote is thanks largely to her huge lead in just those two states.

Now if you are a state in the south, or in the central plains, or the midwest....what benefit is it to you to want to switch to a popular vote which would give CA and NY more power in electing the president? The fact Hillary won those states by so much may give people in other states reason to wonder if those two states are a bit out of touch with the rest of the country. New York isn't suffering like the middle class in the rust belt. What government policies might be awesome for California may not be so good for Florida. America is a rather large country both in geography and population. And people in different regions have different priorities and ideas. Each state in our union has some sense of autonomy and pride. Just like the 13 original colonies. None of these places want to cede everything to an all-powerful federal government.

A popular vote is also not consistent to how our government is set up. We are not a democracy. We were never meant to be a democracy. Our founding fathers did not want a straight up or down voting democracy. They wanted a Republic. We are supposed to be Rome with a little bit of Greece mixed in.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:45 AM

10. Well, if everybody just accepted the facts, women would still be not able to vote to this day.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:25 AM

13. There is another way that doesn't involve a constitutional amendment

http://www.fairvote.org/national_popular_vote

Also state autonomy and balance between large states and small states would be maintained by Senate and House.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:38 PM

6. then again,

our political landscape is weirdly wildly different than anything we've seen before, right? Maybe, just maybe, history won't repeat. Hope.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:48 PM

8. We Need To Do Away With It

The person with the most votes should win, that is the case in an vote anywhere other than our presidential elections.

This was not a nail biter popular vote either, Hillary is up over 2 million. And she loses? Totally BS.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:43 AM

9. Our party was founded specifically because we won the popular vote and lost the EC

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:50 AM

11. And it keeps on happening.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 08:24 AM

12. Well, it has started happening again.

I don't think you can describe a 112 year gap, during which the parties completely realigned several times, as "keeps on"...

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