Rigged election: Hillary Clintons early-voting lead in Florida was mathematically insurmountable

[Richard D]

I hope the Stein campaign makes enough to challenge Florida.

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Of the numerous reasons why most observers on both sides expected Hillary Clinton win the 2016 election heading into Election Day, perhaps the most glaring was the fact that she had seemingly already won the state of Florida based on early-voting alone. It’s why it came as such a shock when Donald Trump somehow pulled off the upset in the state by one percent of the vote, a difference which would have swung the entire election. But in yet another piece of evidence that the voting tallies may have been rigged, a closer examination of the early-voting numbers suggests that Trump’s victory in Florida wasn’t just unlikely – it was mathematically insurmountable.

Here’s what we know about Florida for sure: of the 9.1 million people who voted in the state, roughly seventy percent of them – or 6.6 million people – voted early. The early voters consisted of only slightly more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. However, the most prominent exit poll of Florida early voters showed that 28% of registered Republicans had voted for Hillary Clinton, with just 6% of registered Democrats having voted for Trump. Republican strategist Mike Murphy expressed skepticism that the number could have been that high, but even he pegged it as being closer to the mid-teens.

When you do the math, you see that Hillary Clinton had such a massive early voting lead in her pocket in Florida that – depending on which end of the crossover vote totals you want to lean toward – it turns out Donald Trump would have needed to get somewhere between 59% and 71% of the Election Day voting in the state in order to catch up. Here’s the breakdown, based on numbers available from the state of Florida’s official early vote tallies:


http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-hillary-clintons-early-voting-lead-florida-mathematically-insurmountable/114/

[treestar]

1. It all seems so incredibly convenient

How did he get every single swing state? And FL under these conditions? How the hell did he get PA? And happen to get every single swing state? What a miracle.

[Madam45for2923]

12. and still lose the popular vote by a couple millions?

[cilla4progress]

2. Do we know if

She will go there?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. FL already certified their vote n/t

[apcalc]

4. I don't know about that...

Someone on here wrote it was later than the others....

[SickOfTheOnePct]

8. This past Tuesday

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/227694-state-leaders-certify-general-election-results

[LisaL]

5. The simpler explanation is that those Republicans who claimed to have switched,

actually didn't.

[Dustlawyer]

28. It has been stated by experts that it would cost around 2 million to insert a "King"

computer which can impersonate the election tabulation computer so the precincts report goes to the King computer first. The King computer then poses as the precincts and reports the voting totals they want.

Look up William Spoonamore for more details. It's scary stuff.

[oberliner]

6. Florida already certified their results

There is no recount effort happening there.

[oberliner]

7. People lie in exit polls

And others choose not to participate in them.

[lostnfound]

9. Oh for the simpler days when people didn't lie in the 60s and 70s...

Back then the exit polls were dependable predictors of the actual vote count.

[UCmeNdc]

13. The minute states started using electronic voting machines with no ability to accurately recount,

people started lying in the exit polls. MMmmmmmmm.......??????

[triron]

18. Yep

[Ace Rothstein]

20. People lied to the pollsters in the UK for the Brexit vote as well.

People lied back in the 80's when Tom Bradley ran for Governor of California. It happens from time to time depending on the candidate.

Voting for someone you are so embarrassed about that you'll lie to a pollster about makes me cringe.

[dogindia]

36. maybe that vote was hacked too.

Putins long fingers might have been there as well.

Somebody needs to audit the Florida vote.

[skydive forever]

26. Interesting coincidence

What he said.

[oberliner]

41. They lied then too

Just nothing like now with a candidate like Trump who is, as everyone has pointed out, an anomaly in every respect.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

14. Not to mention

that you can't take what 3.6 million in known areas of the state did and extrapolate that out to what an unknown number in unknown parts of the state will do, and say that those votes were in the bag.

No vote is in the bag until it's actually cast.

The polling method used for the poll in question is also suspect, in that it wasn't the typical "grab people as they come out of the polling place" poll. It was via telephone and internet.

[anamandujano]

22. This is why people would not be embarrassed to say they voted for Trump.

"The polling method used for the poll in question is also suspect, in that it wasn't the typical "grab people as they come out of the polling place" poll. It was via telephone and internet. "

Add to that, Trump was always way behind in polls pushed by the MSM. His voters were very loud about their support to give others hope and imho prepare the ground for the steal.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment

on the willingness to lie piece...if I were going to lie to a pollster, it would be if I were talking to them on the phone. If I'm filling out an anonymous paper exit survey, as is the standard for election-day exit polling, no reason to lie.

How do you explain the extrapolation of the data, assuming it was correct, onto an additional 3 million voters?

[anamandujano]

27. Seriously? In person would be the place to lie. Over the phone you are essentially anonymous.

Besides, even in person the pollster doesn't see the results. The paper goes straight into a box.

The lame offering that Trump's voters lied is an excuse to explain the widespread anomalies.

The additional 3 million voters you are speaking of may not exist. You are taking the certified but unverified toll as gospel.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

29. You would lie on a piece of paper that's anonymous?

But no on the phone or internet, where they're going to verify with the voter rolls that you actually voted?

That's not anonymous at all.

**edited to add

If the 3 million additional early voters don't exist, then the claim that the lead was insurmountable disappears. It's the 6.6 million early voter count that provides the purported "insurmountable" lead.

[anamandujano]

31. Believe what you will. I doubt that if any of Trump's voters lied it was enough to create such

a monstrous difference between the exit polls and the actual vote. They were all proud of it. Phones don't see faces and pollsters are on the phone all day talking to person after person. Why would they care who voted for who? They just make sure their checks are for the correct amount and properly signed.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. And you believe what you will as well n/t

[Sunlei]

44. The exit polls are anonymous, you don't 'tell a person' anything.

[LisaL]

46. What they are calling "exit polls' was actually a poll of people who already voted.

Poll was done by either phone or internet. So it certainly wasn't anonymous.

[Sunlei]

48. ok, thanks so this were phone polls which everyone lies to and all online polls are gamed anyway.

[UCmeNdc]

10. Need to recount Florida also!

[Ruth Bonner]

11. If we don't have to count Florida can we please just not do it?

I have some lingering PTSD from the last time...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. FL can't be recounted

The official returns were certified earlier this week.

[UCmeNdc]

16. Wow!

Too bad! Seems like the Democratic Party should be more on it. Not so meek and agreeable.

[dogindia]

37. Yes. Yes. The Democratic party should be doing this demand for vote audits.

Why are they such wimps. Lets call Pelosi. She is being challenged so maybe she will act.

Once vote audit has started. The door is open.

[colsohlibgal]

17. Yes Indeed

But Florida has ways. Think of 2000. On top of everything else one candidate's brother was governor and his Florida campaign manager was that candidate's Florida campaign manager. Gore had no chance getting any traction there.

Any shred of real democracy is hard to find now, in Florida or elsewhere.

[doc03]

19. So sick of hearing that shit about Florida, Ohio and

PA. Obviously it wasn't, maybe next time they should run statewide campaigns rather than just getting the big city votes.

[anamandujano]

23. Hillary ran herself ragged. She left it all out there on the campaign trail. This criticism is bs.

With social media, everybody who is interested can listen to every rally and see every proposed initiative.

Just because she didn't hit every nook and cranny of the country doesn't mean people were angry about it. Who wants to hear the same speech they heard at youtube two days before. This is Monday morning quarterbacking at its most vile.

[doc03]

30. People can come up with a dozen reasons she lost the election but

the one thing that seems obvious was Comey. He clears her and can't let it go at that he has to elaborate on
how it was reckless and all. Then 9 days prior to the election comes out with that letter.

[anamandujano]

33. IMHO the main reason was hacked state computers. Hopefully this will be evidenced soon.

[Sunlei]

45. Florida will not allow the ancient vote machines to be checked by experts for malware.

malware that is so easy to create, can be installed when printers are reset, no need for any internet connection and removes itself. experts could find evidence of it if Florida would allow.

[anamandujano]

49. I wonder if a court order from the highest levels, not Supreme, can override the 3 stooges who

certified over the phone in 2 minutes? Possibly something that the Governor cannot disobey or else.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

50. A court is going to ask for evidence

as to why state law should be overridden.

"We lost" won't suffice.

[Sunlei]

52. there is no evidence without the machine software? and persons devices used checked by experts first

I guess, evidence could be the malware discovered in Ukraine's voting machines in 2014?

They had experts check their (similar to Floridas) voting machines. A very sophisticated malware was discovered.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

54. Just my opinion

But it's laughable that an American court will override a state's election laws based on something that happened in Ukraine in 2014.

[Sunlei]

55. I think even America starts to take infective malware and foreign government 'hacking' seriously .

Of course the most corrupt states and those that directly benefit from 'hackers fruit' lag way behind.

[anamandujano]

53. Obviously. People are putting 2 & 2 together and evidence will be gathered. Nobody is going

to lie down and accept the travesty as you seem happy to do.

Just one of many articles, more to come
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512625277#post7

[davidn3600]

21. Exit polls is all the evidence you have?

You'll get laughed out of court.

[anamandujano]

25. Elections are monitored around the world: exit polling is to go-to tool to verify results.

They have even sounded the alarm when they are too far off and declared elections invalid.

[ananda]

32. We were led to believe this about some other states too.

That's why I was so surprised at the turnaround.

[LonePirate]

34. Independents must have broken hard for the Racist during early voting and on Election Day.

[shadowrider]

38. How would anyone know her early voting lead

was insurmountable unless they were illegally counting early votes?

Could it be they were looking at political affiliation of said votes and assuming all were for Hillary?

From what I understand, and I could be wrong, Lord knows I've been wrong before, absentee and early votes are not counted unless the vote is within a few thousand (varies from state to state), to trigger a recount. Only then are those votes counted.

If anyone can correct me, please do.

[LisaL]

39. Polls.

Which presumably showed a large number of republicans voting for Hillary. But i think it's more likely those republicans were lying that they voted for Hillary that the idea that election was stolen.

[womanofthehills]

40. I doubt if "large" numbers of Republicans would be lying

and most of the seniors know the Dems are better for their SS and Medicare. My take - not a fair election.

[LisaL]

47. I think they were embarrassed to actually admit they voted for him.

So, yea, that's my theory on why a lot of polls were wrong.

[FBaggins]

43. It's more likely that the poll was simply wrong

Remember that those early votes are the first ones to be reported (that's why FL jumped so quickly in % reporting)... but Clinton didn't start out with the insurmountable lead that this OP implies should have been there.

Additionally, it's only with the assumptions from this poll that the story makes any sense at all... because Trump outperformed Romney in the early voting in FL by larger than the margin that Romney lost the state by in 2012.

Lastly - it's pretty clear (absent some widespread theft that has yet to be demonstrated) that Clinton under-performed pre-election polling by about 2 percent nationwide. The pre-election polling showed Florida essentially tied or Hillary with a very small lead. The final results are thus consistent with what we saw nationwide.

[Statistical]

42. Florida has certified its vote and slate of electors. The time to challenge has passed.

Personally I think it is insane Florida does it so early (only federal requirement is by Dec 13th) but they do and no challenge was made prior to it being certified.

[UCmeNdc]

51. Why did Trump's campaign pay a London Data firm millions of dollars?

Look at his campaign finance reports. Each reporting period?

Why did these firms have so many russian workers?