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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:16 AM Nov 2016

Questions Aplenty: Breaking Down the 2016 Presidential Vote in Florida

But these record-breaking numbers can and should be scrutinized. Let's start with the overall numbers. When all was said and done, Florida had a voter turnout percentage of 74% compared to a national average of 58%. At a time when voter turnout was at a national 20-year low and 90 million eligible Americans did not vote, Florida managed to somehow increase its voter participation by 12% from 2012. The argument can be made that Florida received more national attention from both candidates and their surrogates and thus their voters were more engaged. And yet, Florida has remained a crucial swing state since 2000 repeatedly garnering national attention for the closeness of its national elections. The year 2016 was no different, and yet turnout dramatically increased throughout the state.

Even more confounding is the county breakdown from 2016 and 2012. By analyzing these results side-by-side, some interesting conclusions can be reached. First off, we can see how exactly both Democrats and Republicans increased voter turnout. Democrats focused largely on urban areas and because of that, they saw increases in 26 counties compared to 41 counties where they saw a decline from 2012. Of these 26 counties, the most significant gains were in Miami-Dade County (+82,230), Orange County (+55,352) Broward County (+39,526), Palm Beach County (+21,993) and Hillsborough County (+20,275). Of the 41 counties where Democratic Party lost support the most significant losses were Pasco County (-8,150), Hernando County (-5,973), Volusia County (-5,923), Pinellas County (-5,639) and Marion County (-4,865).

On the flip side, Republicans saw statewide gains in all but 5 counties from 2012 to 2016. Their most significant gains were in Lee County (+37,029), Pasco County (+29,608), Polk County (+25,650), Pinellas County (+25,554), and Volusia County (+25,290). The only counties where they saw a decrease in voter turnout were Alachua County (-2,181), Leon County (-2,029), Duval County (-1,492), Seminole County (-674) and Escambia County (-301). Of the 6 counties in Florida that had at least an 80% turnout rate (Baker, Collier, Franklin, Jefferson, St. Johns, and Sumter) Donald Trump won all 6 of them. Overall, Donald Trump won 59 out of 67 counties in the state with his only losses being in Miami-Dade, Broward, Orange, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, Alachua, Gadsden, and Leon.

In short, the Trump campaign had fewer field offices, fewer organizers, fewer volunteers, they did not expand the electorate, and they aired far fewer ads and the end result for all of this was a massive voter turnout for a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, candidate who ran the most deceitful and divisive campaign in American political history. I, for one, am not buying it.

I'm not buying the fact that 440,000 Republicans will be more inspired by Donald Trump than Mitt Romney. I'm not buying that Republicans could get out the vote in areas like Lee County, Pasco County, Polk County, Pinellas County, and Volusia County with a depleted volunteer base. I'm not buying the fact that Eisenhower Republicans all coalesced around Donald Trump rather than crossing over to vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm not buying the fact that low-information voters were unswayed by the abundance of Hillary Clinton ads. And I'm not buying the fact that Donald Trump's campaign added nearly 22,000 voters in Palm Beach County from 2012 to 2016 in an area where I personally witnessed zero voter registration efforts, zero canvassing, and zero volunteers in the entire five months that I was on the campaign trail in the region.

Campaigns are won and lost at the grassroots level. Never in our nation's history have we had a candidate in Donald Trump simply galvanize millions of people without even trying. Even with his celebrity status, the fact that hundreds of thousands of Republican voters came out of the Florida woodwork to vote for him and that these voters were simply missed by every single poll and polling outlet seems not only impractical but also impossible. The results of Florida's election need to be analyzed and broken down to answer these questions. This is not a partisan issue, but rather is a American issue that cuts to the core of our democracy. These results raise serious questions and the American people deserve answers. And these answers could alter our country's history.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/11/20/questions-aplenty-breaking-down-the-2016-presidential-vote-in-florida
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Questions Aplenty: Breaking Down the 2016 Presidential Vote in Florida (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 OP
Trump spoke the truth .... the election was rigged Botany Nov 2016 #1
Person so f*cked-up that just projects and projects! TOTAL WEIRDO! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #2
Trump knew that the system was to gamed so his "the election is rigged" junk was made .... Botany Nov 2016 #4
We need to get the voter sign-in sheets. AmBlue Nov 2016 #18
It hurts to lose. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #3
Whoever gamed the main election for Trump probably gamed the primaries. anamandujano Nov 2016 #7
And... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #8
I don't see it that way. anamandujano Nov 2016 #10
trump dominated all other Rs their entire primary season, all 'major' Rs quit long before the final. Sunlei Nov 2016 #15
Just Google "Spoonamore electronic voting." Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #5
I live in Palm Beach County. Ligyron Nov 2016 #6
Strip and Flip voted often I'm told. Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #9
I hope Stein raises enough to go after Florida too! ananda Nov 2016 #11
Unfortunately, I think these votes from Trump were also anti-Hillary votes..I've never seen so much secondwind Nov 2016 #12
I agree. We picked a candidate with high negatives and some are surprised she lost. jalan48 Nov 2016 #14
Florida had a voter turnout percentage of 74% !! is there a breakdown for mail in votes & where Sunlei Nov 2016 #13
same for Michigan-- really fishy Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #16
Could it be the free media attention he got? treestar Nov 2016 #17
 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
2. Person so f*cked-up that just projects and projects! TOTAL WEIRDO!
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:38 AM
Nov 2016

Oozes corruption and sliminess and fried-coo-coo-bananas brain!

Botany

(71,186 posts)
4. Trump knew that the system was to gamed so his "the election is rigged" junk was made ....
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:42 AM
Nov 2016

.... to innoculate himself from charges of election rigging.

This was a coup and the POTUS and the D o J have to step up PDQ to stop
Trump/Putin from taking power.

AmBlue

(3,225 posts)
18. We need to get the voter sign-in sheets.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:56 PM
Nov 2016

Precinct by precinct. I can do a Public Records request for Pinellas. Anyone else here able to do other counties in Florida? Is anyone doing this already?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. It hurts to lose.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:38 AM
Nov 2016

You realize Corrupt Trump won more Republican primary voters than any other Republican in history? And he went up against every Republican they had. Yeah, it's a mystery to me, too.

Statistics and numbers told us Florida would be blue, Latinos alone doomed this racist bigot, even one out of four early-voting Republicans were voting Democrat.

Now, we keep "hearing" from these statistics and numbers he couldn't have won.

Yeah, it hurts bad.

But why on Earth would we want to get played again?

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
7. Whoever gamed the main election for Trump probably gamed the primaries.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:43 AM
Nov 2016

If he did win some of them fairly, highly doubtful, it would have been because his odious personality was not on show as it was after the conventions.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. trump dominated all other Rs their entire primary season, all 'major' Rs quit long before the final.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:21 PM
Nov 2016

1)Those machines Florida Republicans will not let & never let be examined by experts.

2) Possible 'gaming' of the states mail in ballots system.

The two things I would like investigated by someone.

Ligyron

(7,785 posts)
6. I live in Palm Beach County.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:30 AM
Nov 2016

There is no fucking way we added 22,000 Republicans to our population. My guess is we actually lost a few and it takes awhile for the Supervisor of Elections to erase people when they die off.

hmmm, maybe dead people DO vote - for Trump.

Ford_Prefect

(8,111 posts)
9. Strip and Flip voted often I'm told.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:04 PM
Nov 2016

they need to compare the voting sign-in logs to the count recorded at each location for a start. That wil tell you who voted vs who they claim voted.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
12. Unfortunately, I think these votes from Trump were also anti-Hillary votes..I've never seen so much
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:33 PM
Nov 2016

hatred against a Presidential candidate in my entire life.

They bought all the lies, the heard "crooked Hillary" continuously, they thought she was living off the Clinton Foundation, etc...

It's terrible.

jalan48

(14,067 posts)
14. I agree. We picked a candidate with high negatives and some are surprised she lost.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:07 PM
Nov 2016

But then, concern trolls and all that. Sometimes things aren't what you think or want them to be.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. Florida had a voter turnout percentage of 74% !! is there a breakdown for mail in votes & where
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
Nov 2016

where mail-ins came from? the machines fucked with somehow, and some type of fraud with mail-in ballots is where I think the wonkie numbers in florida came from.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. Could it be the free media attention he got?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:26 PM
Nov 2016

Getting out those voters without even trying - maybe they were watching TV news and that's all it took.

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