more Charles Blow...perhaps Stein scamming us?

[dogindia]

Remember she won the popular vote by alot.

Was Stein scamming us?

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/jill-stein-now-cant-guarantee-money-will-go-to-u

[wcmagumba]

1. If nothing...

has been filed by this afternoon sometime IMHO maybe a grift...

[LisaL]

2. She has to file today for WI.

If she doesn't then there will be no maybe about it.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. Exactly

All she can do is file - her site said from the beginning that they couldn't guarantee that recounts would be held.

[LisaL]

5. In WI, all she needs to do is to file and pay the fees.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

10. Yes, that's what I said n/t

[greenman3610]

27. deadline is five o'clock, still no filing

[Bob41213]

4. I strongly suspect she will line her pockets a bit

I suspect she'll make sure her debt goes away and I'm sure she'll consider Green Party stuff "voter integrity issues" to an extent and I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple hundred grand or so get skimmed off the top.

But I'm fairly confident she will ask for the recounts. I think she's talking a little big about demanding hand recounts (doubt that's happening) and things, but I assume she's going to ask for a recount at this point and get one. I don't think that's going to change anything.

[LisaL]

7. Just because she asks for recounts in PA and MI doesn't mean she will get them.

Sounds like in PA and MI she would have to go to court and prove she was somehow damaged by the count-and since she got nowhere near enough votes it will be a hard sell (I guess she could claim she thinks she actually should have gotten 5%?)l. So there could be quite a bit of money left from her fundraising effort to put toward "voter integrity issues" which could simply mean these money will stay with Green party.

[marybourg]

11. On her page she outlines

what she intends to do with any money that can't be used towards a re-count.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

8. I think she'll file as well

but I agree on the hand recounts in WI and MI - that's going to be a hard sell, given that she came in dead last in both states.

Also, doing a hand recount in WI could potentially push them up against the Dec 13th deadline for having a certified vote. Absent something huge, they aren't going to risk that.

[oberliner]

6. There is no "perhaps" about it

She is brazenly taking advantage of Democrats in order to raise money for the Green Party (which works against Democrats).

[LisaL]

9. People who are at their low point are easy to take advantage of.

[SaschaHM]

18. She's doing what she did all general..

Telling folks what they want to hear to raise her profile. This is nothing different.

BoB'ers hate that Hillary doesn't get indicted. Jill says she should be prosecuted.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/politics/jill-stein-hillary-clinton-fbi/


She even talked about the hacks as a reason for doubting the integrity of the election as if she wasn't using them and defending wikileaks throughout the primary.

[oberliner]

19. Exactly

It's sad to see so many Democrats and DUers falling for her scam.

[NCTraveler]

12. Some are pinning their hopes on someone who has repeatedly proven they are mentally bankrupt.

It's understandable as Trump has thrown many of us into feelings of despair. The manner in which the verbiage changed on her site withing 24 hrs was shocking. There were also words she used when asking for money that give her an easy out without even thinking of returning the money. Additionally, not one of us knows the true dollar amount raised.

Before this started it appears the Stein campaign was holding about $90,000 in debt with $60,000 cash on hand. Her whole 2016 campaign raised about 3.5 million.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

13. The only thing that was really striking to me

Is that she has removed links to two other Green Party sites (I think Ohio & Massachusetts?).

Anyway, at one point, she had info saying that the max contribution to the site for this effort was $2700. The she added a link to another Green party site, saying that anyone who wanted to donate more than $2700 could donate up to $10000 at the other site. Then, she added another link to a state Green Party site, and verbiage that said anyone could donate up to $22,700 - $2700 at her site, and $10000 at each of the other sites.

Now those two links have been removed (at least I don't see them), and it's back to telling people they can donate up to $2700 at her site.

[NCTraveler]

14. The links to the other sites were up for some time.

We have no clue how much funneled into them. Really shady business. She is claiming total dollar amounts needed on her own site while hiding how much additional was given to the other sites for what she claims were for the same cause. People need to stop donating now. They have more than the funds she claimed were needed.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

16. The Massachusetts Green-Rainbow party

now sends people back to the Jill Stein site for raising recount funds, while the Ohio Green Party site is still soliciting donations for the recount (up to $10000/person)...I didn't see any info on how much has been donated to the party for this effort.

[kenfrequed]

15. Charles Blow can't get enough hippie punching in

Seriously, he spent most of the primary campaign attacking Bernie Sanders.

Now he can't even let the Green Party stand up for Hillary and against Trump.

Is he that afraid someone on the left is going to get any good press?

What the hell is his deal anyhow?!

[NCTraveler]

17. "Now he can't even let the Green Party stand up for Hillary and against Trump. "

Stein has raised more than she claims she needs and is still raising money. The verbiage she uses here gives her an out to keep the money without truly working for a thorough recount.

Stein has repeatedly proven herself to be mentally bankrupt. To link Stein to hippies is outright disrespect toward hippies.

[tritsofme]

20. What is "us" business? I hope she's not scamming you, she has scammed her way to 5M so far

She is taking advantage of grieving desperate folks, and it is really sad.

[Statistical]

21. I said yesterday the language on the page changed and was personally attacked for it.

I only wish I had been smart enough to take screenshots like that. Nice to confirm I wasn't losing my mind though.

Still I do think Jill will file for the recounts. It is very likely the request for recount will be denied and she will keep the funds. She has a nice headstart for fucking over the Democratic candidate in 2020.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

22. Same here n/t

[LisaL]

23. That's what she promised-she will file. She doesn't guarantee recounts.

In WI she should get it simply by filing and paying fees, but not in PA and MI.
If she fails to get recounts in PA and MI, what is going to be done with the money collected? She isn't saying she will give the money to someone else. So presumably green party gets to keep it.

[Apex812]

24. She is doing both.

She'll file for recounts and use the extra money for growing the Green Party.

[Statistical]

25. Hooray for even larger headwinds in 2020.

I would point out Clinton lost MI by 11K votes. Stein got 20K votes in MI in 2008. This year by attacking Clinton calling her a criminal, corrupt, unift, and worse than trump she boosted than to 50K votes. So 30K extra votes in a state that Clinton lost by <11K.

Elections are won or lost on the margins and Jill Stein helped to elect Donald Trump and now she has more more resources to ensure she can do it again in 2020.

[LisaL]

26. My guess she won't get them in either PA or MI.

So there could be a lot of money left over to "grow" the Green Party.

[Amishman]

30. MI is doubtful, it is all paper ballots through scanners

The scanners have no Network connection and would had to have been hacked individually by someone with physical access, and they are stored spread across the state in each country.

[Kolesar]

28. That's Rachel Stockman, not Charles Blow

Why did you cite Charles Blow?

[oberliner]

29. Charles Blow linked to that article in a tweet

Charles M. Blow ?@CharlesMBlow 4h4 hours ago
Charles M. Blow Retweeted Mediaite
Help me make sense of this folks. Is this just nitpicking or is there some *there* there?Charles M. Blow added,

Mediaite @Mediaite
Jill Stein Now Can’t ‘Guarantee’ Money Will Go to Recount, Changes $$$ Goal http://bit.ly/2fz5MYg
0 replies 204 retweets 355 likes

https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow

[Kolesar]

31. Then Charles Blow is wise and skeptical, well done

In my dreams, Stein's recount will move the vote margins to Clinton. It may reveal some fraud.