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Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:55 PM

The Battle Begins As Wisconsin Denies Jill Stein Request For Statewide Hand Recount

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The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein for a hand recount of all ballots.

The AP reported, “The Wisconsin Elections Commission has voted unanimously to reject a request from Green Party candidate Jill Stein to conduct a hand recount of the presidential vote. Instead, the commission Monday voted to allow local election clerks to determine the method they would use for a recount.”

Stein can appeal, and ask a judge to order the recount by hand, but it appears that the plan is to simply run the same ballots through the voting machines again. Running the ballots through the machines again will accomplish nothing, as Stein is claiming that the election system is not secure and could have been compromised.



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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/28/battle-begins-wisconsin-denies-jill-stein-request-statewide-hand-recount.html



What kind of bullshit is this, to let the local clerks decide?

So, the guys padding the tallies get to decide if they are scrutinized? Banana Republic 101.


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Reply The Battle Begins As Wisconsin Denies Jill Stein Request For Statewide Hand Recount (Original post)
TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 OP
MattP Nov 2016 #1
Apex812 Nov 2016 #3
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #10
sfwriter Nov 2016 #27
shraby Nov 2016 #2
mythology Nov 2016 #21
bigmonkey Nov 2016 #44
womanofthehills Nov 2016 #35
former9thward Nov 2016 #47
dogindia Nov 2016 #4
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #5
TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #7
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #11
Amishman Nov 2016 #25
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #41
bigmonkey Nov 2016 #45
Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #6
TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #9
Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #15
Ellipsis Nov 2016 #20
Arazi Nov 2016 #24
red dog 1 Nov 2016 #29
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #40
jodymarie aimee Nov 2016 #8
frazzled Nov 2016 #12
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #14
frazzled Nov 2016 #17
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #19
Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #18
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #16
KittyWampus Nov 2016 #26
frazzled Nov 2016 #28
bigmonkey Nov 2016 #46
tandem5 Nov 2016 #13
jmg257 Nov 2016 #22
forthemiddle Nov 2016 #23
zonkers Nov 2016 #30
red dog 1 Nov 2016 #31
deminwi Nov 2016 #32
womanofthehills Nov 2016 #37
cureautismnow Nov 2016 #33
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #39
red dog 1 Nov 2016 #34
womanofthehills Nov 2016 #36
Ellipsis Nov 2016 #43
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #38
andym Nov 2016 #42
AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #48

Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:57 PM

1. What are they charging millions for?

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Response to MattP (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:04 PM

3. It was a Jill Stein fundraiser/Money might get used for a recount fundraiser.

 

Desperate people donated because it was better than doing nothing and laying down and accepting the results. If only Hillary Clinton had the money to get lawyers to get proper audits....

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Response to Apex812 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:09 PM

10. Well they cannot say it costs too much. Jill has the money to pay for a hand recount.

Why not have a hand recount Wisconsin election committee?

This makes no sense.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:59 PM

27. They are always hiding the actual ballots.

 

Why?

I say mandatory recounts every year. But, I've been saying it since DU started.

-SFWriter

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:01 PM

2. If I remember right, the Election Commission was recently jiggered by Walker's minions.

Can't remember the details, but it's been tampered with to favor the repubs.

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Response to shraby (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:10 PM

21. The commision chairmain is a Democrat and it's 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans

 

The decision was unanimous. It was rejected because it's exceptionally unlikely to change anything.

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Response to mythology (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:52 PM

44. Why is the fact-free assertion that it's "unlikely to change anything" relevant?

That's the question.

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Response to shraby (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:32 PM

35. Walker just appointed all his buddies to the election commission

The committee keeps raising the amt of money they want

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:44 PM

47. Not true.

The election commission is 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans. The Governor appoints 2, one R and one D. The other 4 are appointed by the Democrats and Republicans in the legislature. The Chairman, a Democrat, was appointed by the Democratic leader in the Assembly.

http://elections.wi.gov/about/members

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:05 PM

4. Wonder whose funny little figures are in this

Guess I am not surprised.

After the tweet fest and over the top reaction.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:07 PM

5. hey if she is paying for a hand recount why not have a hand recount?

Why do these election commissions do everything half way? Why not have a complete recount? It is not costing them any money.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:08 PM

7. Exactly. And why was it a unanimous decision by the commission? Not one patriot.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:12 PM

11. Why does the commission decide to do an improper recount?

This isn't really a full transparent recount!

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:47 PM

25. The decision makes sense given the concerns are with electronic voting, not paper

Ask for a hand recount of paper ballots when you claim the electronic voting machines are the problem is like insisting they replace your car stereo when the airbag is recalled.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:35 PM

41. What?? comparing a hand count to a machine count will tell if the machines are accurate. nt

 

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Response to Amishman (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:54 PM

45. You have this exactly backwards.

The paper ballots are a corrective to electronic errors. That's why they are kept, because they are a more permanent, much less easily manipulated record.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:08 PM

6. So...no plan to appeal and ask a judge to order the recount by hand????

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:09 PM

9. I think that is still up in the air.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:32 PM

15. Can we put some pressure on this process and on Jill Stein to do this?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:48 PM

20. I'd guess it's in the works...

Portage county will recount by hand.

That might be interesting.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:35 PM

24. Yes, she's going to sue

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/


Madison — The Wisconsin Elections Commission set a timetable Monday for a recount of the presidential election but rejected a request to conduct it by hand made by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, who quickly responded that she would sue.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

29. Thanks for that link

It's a better article than the OP....gives more info

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Response to Arazi (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:34 PM

40. Praise be... nt

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:09 PM

8. FUCK MY GOVERNOR

 

he has gotten away with this for 6 years now. We live in a prison state.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:13 PM

12. This is all the Wisconsin recount law provides for

I posted that last week. I felt from the beginning that anyone who donated was being suckered by Stein. It was in black-and-white in the WI recount provisions law. You should be mad at Stein more than Wisconsin: she led you to believe there would be a hand recount by some independent group, when all there ever was was a provision for a county-by-county check by the same election officials who did it the first time.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:29 PM

14. This is the fault of the WI election committee. WI can perform a full hand recount.Illegality Hidden

The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein for a hand recount of all ballots.

They do not want a full transparent recount.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:33 PM

17. I posted this last week

when everyone was donating, thinking Stein would get a hand recount. That was before the election commission met:

For state and federal elections, the county boards of canvassers for the counties in which the contested votes are cast conduct the recount. The Wisconsin Elections Commission recommends that the board of canvassers be composed of the same people who initially canvassed the election results.

http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/publication/65/recount_manual_11_2016_pdf_17034.pdf

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Response to frazzled (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:36 PM

19. Well I say be mad at the WI election commission. They have the money to do a recount by hand.

Do the recount by hand. If you really want transparency!

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:35 PM

18. The biggest concern is with the dre machines.

 

It would be highly inefficient, and take far too long to turn them on and reprogram them to get the results. Easiest would be to just count the paper recordings, which is what I would assume most precincts will do anyway.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:32 PM

16. Well Jill Stein has the money to pay for it so the lack of money is no excuse.

If she did not have the money they would have claimed a full recount cannot be done because it is too expensive.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:55 PM

26. You don't get to tell us to be mad at Stein. That's YOUR opinion and worth as much

 

as anyone offered to pay you for it.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:03 PM

28. Whoa!

Sorry the facts dismay you so much. The accusation in your post is officially alertable--but I'll just take it you're having a bad, bad day and let it go at that. Go take a rest.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:57 PM

46. Not facts, assertions.

Portraying your opinions as facts is a little overweening.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:26 PM

13. Shocked! I am shocked I tell you!

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:14 PM

22. better donate more , she is going to need lots of money

"Stein is going to need to go to court, and if the 2000 recount is a guide, she will need to raise a great deal of money, because most of the critical battles in the process will play out in court, not at tables in precincts around the state."

"Updated. The Wisconsin Elections Commission has denied a request by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to perform a recount of ballots by hand and she is prepared to go to court to challenge the decision, according to media reports. The recount will begin Thursday if payment for the process is received by Tuesday."

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:20 PM

23. That is how the law is written

It's not BS, it's the clear writing of the law. The commission can rule otherwise, but they are not required to.

And by the way, it was a unanimous ruling by the bipartisan board.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:20 PM

30. #WHATARETHEYHIDING

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:29 PM

31. Democrats on the Wisconsin Elections Commission ..

..should be ashamed of themselves, especially the Chairman,
Mark Thomsen.

If the 2012 Recall election is any indication, a statewide hand count is necessary to ensure that there was no tampering.with the machines.

"Recall Election Fraud in Wisconsin? You Betcha!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101630961

"Meet Command Central: The People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting machines"
http://wcmcoop.com/2012/05/22/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:32 PM

32. The WI Election Board has 3 Democrats and 3 Repugs

Please stop accusing the good Democrats on the WI Elections Board as being bad people or unethical. As a citizen of WI, I trust them far more than anyone from out of state. They ruled against a hand recount along with the 3 Repugs......it happens and I trust them.

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Response to deminwi (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:34 PM

37. It's up to each country now to decide on a hand count

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:02 PM

33. There was ONE Programmer for the Wisconsin Machines...

...and she REFUSED to take an ethics exam.

https://mn.gov/law-library-stat/archive/ctapun/0701/opa060271-0116.htm

And she works just down the hall from MICHELLE BACHMAN.

The motto for her company is:

"Your partner for successful elections!"

https://www.facebook.com/ccelections/?hc_location=ufi

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Response to cureautismnow (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:31 PM

39. wow. and has *anybody* else looked at that software? doubt it. what a joke. nt

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:28 PM

34. Jill Stein should ask for a "risk-limiting" audit

A "risk-limiting" audit is an audit that manually examines a random sample of the ballots in a way that has a large chance of detecting and correcting incorrect results.
If the reported winner of a contest really won, a risk-limiting audit generally needs to examine only a small fraction of the ballots.
But if a reported winner actually lost, a risk-limiting audit has a large chance of indicating that a full hand count is needed to set the record straight."
(From..USA Today: Still Time for an Election Audit)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028290706

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 05:33 PM

36. 78 counties - up to each county if they will do a hand count

People who live in Wisconsin can pressure their county for a hand count

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:48 PM

43. 72

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:29 PM

38. nothing to see here folks, move along... nt

 

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 07:38 PM

42. Always clear that auditing the election would not be easy. NT.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:29 AM

48. Wtf, Wisconsin?!!?!!?!!!

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