Clinton won majorities among voters in the rust belt who said the economy was their PRIMARY issue

[La Lioness Priyanka]

So much for us not having an economic message.

Check it for yourself.

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/michigan/president

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/ohio/president

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/pennsylvania/president

Now, tell me again she didn't have an economic message.

[JHan]

1. Thanks for this. Good to know there were rural folks who heard what I heard...

I thought I was the only one who heard what I heard.

/People were telling me I didn't hear what I knew I heard because reasons/

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. if black and white working class are hearing things differently

to dismiss that race played an important role, is to be willfully blind to racism.

[JHan]

15. Yep, it's become politically incorrect to use the "r" word,

Demonizing BLM, for instance, was effective on Donald's part. But criminal justice reform is critical- over criminalization affects blacks disproportionately but also poor whites. You wouldn't hear this from Fox News though.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. notice the complete absence on this thread of those who have been beating the identity politics band

wagon the last few days?

they know they are wrong, but they are actively uninterested in the base of the democratic party, which is brown and black.

[Squinch]

46. That KKK bullshit this morning made my jaw drop. I can't stand how ugly this culture is

revealing itself to be, and I can't stand the fact that there is nowhere to hide from it.

[Squinch]

45. I'll use it! Racist racist racist. They were racist. They voted for him because they are racist!

There is no getting away from it and there is no denying it!

Sexist too. At their grubby little cores, they are racist, sexist and stupid.

And I won't use the "alt-right" bullshit whitewashing of the RACISTS either.

Love,
A member of the white working class.

[underpants]

2. Interesting

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. Isn't it just.

[Uponthegears]

3. What does this do to the

"Hillary lost because of white working class voters" argument?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. Wwc who prioritized economics prob voted for her

A larger number who cares about immigrants and terrorism prob voted for him.

[NCTraveler]

9. "A larger number who cares about immigrants and terrorism prob voted for him."

AKA general fear mongering with respect to people who don't look like you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. yup.

[Uponthegears]

17. Again, 100% correct

But NONE of those voters were with Bernie.

They were the Reagan (not really) Democrats living in the suburbs who the Third Way thinks we can attract with tough talk on terrorism/Iran/etc., support for the death penalty/tough on crime, silence on such issues as no federal prosecution of blue-clad killers, "respect for the 2nd Amendment (an Amendment which is in popular culture nothing more than a free pass for white suburbanites to line up at the local Gander Mountain to "protect themselves" from people who look like me), etc.

WE CAN'T. They are hopeless.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. Wealthy whites also voted for him so it's not just

A working class issue to begin with

[Uponthegears]

14. You are 100% right

And that is what (ostensibly) carried the day for that psychopathic orangutan.

Those upper middle class white folks living out in the suburbs, the so-called "Reagan Democrats" (you know, the ones we were supposed to get back with the Third Way's moderate approach) proved that they are almost to a person racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic cretins whose votes we will NEVER get. We win by melding oppressed groups, not by dividing them.

[Squinch]

47. It changes it to "Hillary lost because of racist, sexist fuckwads."

It also means that we need to loudly and incessantly tell all those who are saying, "we need to find a way to work with the racist, sexist fuckwads" to drop dead in a large heap of their own effluvia.

[NCTraveler]

5. Some are desperately attempting to whitewash how racist and bigoted of a society we have. nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. Yup.

[JHan]

10. Unfortunately I have little hope this data will hush the conventional wisdom..........

that Hillz was speaking Esperanto to poor whites and they couldn't figure out what she was saying..

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. LOL. you don't want to see what you don't want to see.

people who truly believe bernie would have won this, don't really want to believe that she lost for reasons that were not about economics or messaging. other people who generally like to deny racism, have switched to 'identity politics' is the problem.

none of this is supported by any facts.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. Thank you! These kinds of polls can counter baseless speculation and generalizations.

I looked at the Ohio exit poll and noticed that Trump won big among people who were most concerned about immigration and terrorism, just like in the national ones. He also won big among evangelicals, like in the rest of the country.

One that stood out for me among Ohio voters was the level of concern about Clinton's private email server! 50% of the respondents said it bothered them "a lot."

50%?! You've got to be kidding me!

Among those people, Trump won 90% to 5%! Clinton won big among everyone who answered "some" (65 to 32), "not much" (90 to 5) or "not at all" (90 to 6).

Were they bothered by private emails in the past and the massive purges that happened then, such us during the Dumbya years? Or do about 50% of Ohioans listen to RW radio and watch FOX News now? Of course, even the so-called "liberal media" harped on it too!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. people who are denying that this was about white supremacy

are denying it in the face of a lot of evidence, doubt this one piece will change their minds

[Buckeye_Democrat]

34. That's part of it for sure. It's not so black-and-white (pun intended) according to polls.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW

There's this:

Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites.

Yet there's also this:

In smaller, but still significant, numbers, Clinton backers also viewed blacks more critically than whites with regard to certain personality traits. Nearly one-third of Clinton supporters described blacks as more "violent" and "criminal" than whites, and one-quarter described them as more "lazy" than whites.

Everyone has their reasons for voting the way they do. I vote for Democrats because I think they're more likely to help vulnerable people, whether it's from economic or social struggles. Yet I know that they don't always accomplish it, or even try very hard sometimes.

There was a study a few years ago that showed even the Democratic representatives were more aligned with policies that the wealthy or middle class favored over policies that the poor favored. It's just that Republicans were far worse that way, so Democrats were superior (to me) on a comparative basis.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. i am def not saying racism isnt rampant in the democratic party

it is.

[JudyM]

63. How do you explain the town mentioned for illustration in this article that is nearly all white and

went so strong for Obama (40% spread in both '08 and '12) and then went for tRump this time?
I just don't think your analysis completely works...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-hillary-clinton-lost-podcast_us_58420694e4b017f37fe4c532

[Starry Messenger]

19. Ooo, I will be spreading these around, thank you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. just be forewarned, much like this thread, the people screaming most loudly about identity politics

will ignore the actual facts.

[mcar]

21. Seems like a lot of people here weren't paying attention

But now want to tell us all why we lost.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. or a lot of people like to pretend that racism is not a major issue

because it makes them uncomfortable

[Uponthegears]

25. It was the ONLY issue

Trump ran on NOTHING but hate. He NEVER outlined a clear, or even coherent, economic message.

Every single person who voted for him is either a racist/misogynist/homophobe/xenophobe/or Islamophobe (or all the above) OR they are too stupid for words and thought they could bring a revolution that: (a) is not happening; and, (b) they wouldn't fight in even if it did.

[mcar]

30. Could be. Sexism too

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. collection of isms really, racism, xenophobia, sexism

[mcar]

33. That's right

Anyone who isn't them, basically.

[Uponthegears]

24. Part of me

Want to SMH over and over again because this is the polar opposite of what many folks have been saying ever since the election (i.e., that it's Bernie's working class voters who cost Hillary the election, or, in some of the OPs, that the working class is fundamentally racist and we can't attract them without being racist as a party).

Well, the fact is that WE DID ATTRACT THEM without being racist as a party (well, not entirely anyway, but you know what I mean).

Finally, we are coming to the realization that working people aren't the enemy, it's the friggin' Republicans who left our party (and OUR CITIES, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND OUR SCHOOLS) to join hands with Ronald Reagan and aren't ever coming back.

[Uponthegears]

26. Btw

THANK YOU for this OP!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. i appreciate that

thanks. The world is feeling very hostile for some of us, even DU, and I am glad for all of us who believe in 'stronger together' and what that means and represents.

[bettyellen]

38. You continue to inspire me, Pri. thank you.

[stone space]

27. This is hardly a surprise. Economics isn't exactly what makes Trump "special". (nt)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. right?

[Blue Shoes]

32. It was an unmotivated base

I think it has been more then clear to anyone who has broken down the data that it was almost certainly just an unmotivated base. News sources just like to paint narratives which paint sections of society against each other because it makes for a good story and nothing else.

[bettyellen]

39. You think the xenophobic crap we listened to for a year meant nothing?

I'm aftraid it inspired many.

[JI7]

42. yes. i don't understand the need to deny the obvious

His main campaign theme was about keeping out and going after "others".

[Blue Shoes]

49. No, but republicans have always had a ton to racists.

The toupee'd monstrosity did nothing but excite the crazies in the republican base into a feeding frenzy. It still alienated a fair number of republican voters as well, they too had incredibly low turn out. The core issue is that Clinton was not seen as having any galvanizing aspect for our base, so many dems/young voters didnt campaign or come out to vote.
Which leaves the fundamental point, we have WAY more supporters by sheer number, they're just completely unreliable (which as an aside isn't always their fault). We win every election with decent turnout, we just need to do everything in our power ensure as many people as possible vote.

[JI7]

58. McCain and Romney did not play to the Racists . Romney did a bit in the primary with

immigration but not in the GE.

[Blue Shoes]

61. Racists voted for him regardless.

The most fervent support for the republican party's platform comes from the far right racist wing. They also tend to be much older, giving them much more time to vote, as opposed to the Democratic base which is either jaded (students) or has to sacrifice by taking a day off work (the working poor).

These factors basically mean that for us, its all about just trying to galvanize as many people as possible; voter turnout is paramount.

[fwgmaryland]

36. Her Opponent

She was forced to focus on more fundamental issues such as bigotry and racism, but clearly these basic issues weren't as important to these voters, it's unfortunate that she was forced to focus on her opponent's character over her policy platform.

[Garrett78]

37. Yet one more nail in the "working class whites" narrative coffin.

And Trump voters also supported candidates who are major proponents of the TPP. So, if not trade, it must be the anti-establishment mentality, right? Oh, what's that you say, the rate of incumbent re-election was even higher than normal for both the Senate and the House?

Wait, Clinton won among those most hurt by the recession?

Gee, that "working class whites/Clinton didn't have an economic message" narrative sure does seem to collapse under the weight of critical thought. Perhaps it should once and for all be put to rest.

Not to mention how insulting it is to suggest working class POC must not care about economic issues by suggesting working class whites supported Trump due to Clinton's lack of economic messaging.

Of course, I'm not saying Dems shouldn't do more outreach to rural areas of purple states like Obama did.

Lastly, Trump's jobs message was both vague and utterly unrealistic. As for "populism," we're talking about someone who is predictably the most Wall Street friendly President-elect ever.

There's no excuse for supporting Trump.

[JI7]

40. the woman at michaels and the delta airlines guy are the typical trump supporter

The woman with her expensive designer shit who thought the black women were lower than her.

And the delta guy yelling at women who supported Hillary.

This is why were able to connect to the east coast elitist asshole who looks down on others.

[JI7]

41. it's always been about bigotry.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. yes. it has.

[JI7]

44. she won the white working class against Obama in 2008 primary

There is a lot of revisionist bullshit which goes against facts when talking about democrats .

Obama won the primary because he got huge black and educated higher income whites.

Hillary did well with all other non black minorities and working class whites and white women .

These people voted for Obama and Hillary both times.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

60. incredibly revisionist history.

[Squinch]

48. This should be pinned somewhere.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. Agreed

[uponit7771]

57. +1

[Mike Nelson]

51. The big lie...

...is that the media won't state is that Trump brought new voters aboard and combined them with the regular bigots. I'm proud of Hillary's campaign - the competing messages were very clear.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. Yup

[duffyduff]

52. It was racism and sexism, period. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. Or what it is popularly known here as identity politics

[SidDithers]

55. It was his racism, pure an simple, that won him the rust belt...nt

Sid

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. Yes, why is that so difficult for people to admit to?

[ismnotwasm]

62. I was just informed we can't blame it on "simple" racism

Apparently racism is just that easy,

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. kicking

because i fucking want to.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. Kicking again

[DemonGoddess]

65. K&R!

Been working a lot, sorry I missed this, and a big KICK from me!