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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 03:51 PM Dec 2016

Sanders: Election not a victory for Trump, loss for the Democratic Party

Bernie Sanders in San Rafael: Democratic elite to blame for Trump victory
Richard Halstead
Marin Independent Journal

“I look at this election not as a victory for Mr. Trump, who wins the election as the most unpopular candidate in perhaps the history of our country,” Sanders said. “But as a loss for the Democratic Party.”

“There are a lot of people in our country who are hurting and they are hurting very, very badly,” Sanders said.” The political establishment is not hearing their pain; the financial and economic establishment could care less about their lives; and the media establishment is not dealing with the reality of their lives; and along comes Mr. Trump.”

But Sanders said voters who believed Trump when he told them he was going to make their lives better are going to be disappointed.

“So what we have to do,” Sanders said, “is create a strong grassroots movement where we bring people together to fight not only for social justice, not only for environmental justice, but for economic justice as well.


Yep.
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Sanders: Election not a victory for Trump, loss for the Democratic Party (Original Post) portlander23 Dec 2016 OP
Yes. elleng Dec 2016 #1
Why does he keep implying Dems only fight for social justice? bettyellen Dec 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #12
He did set the tone for this election cycle - less you forget FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #38
A mindless time of "burn it down" because only one man can save us. bettyellen Dec 2016 #44
I love Bernie. SamKnause Dec 2016 #3
Thanks for nothing, Bernie. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #8
No, I'll continue to thank Bernie and his worshipful hordes. For absolutely nothing. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #39
Why For Not Embracing A Socialist Independent otohara Dec 2016 #13
Did Kerry supporters blame Dean for losing? JonLP24 Dec 2016 #23
You know Dean and Leahy are Democrats, right? It is Bernie's choice not to be a Democrat. seaglass Dec 2016 #43
If you're going to make allegations like that, you're going to have to address three things. CBHagman Dec 2016 #14
DWS wrote those emails at a time when it was mathematically impossible for Bernie pnwmom Dec 2016 #17
Do you mean the actual Democrat? kimmylavin Dec 2016 #24
I am really tired of hearing Bernie pontificate. n/t Laurian Dec 2016 #5
How about getting behind the recounts, Senator? ucrdem Dec 2016 #6
Bernie's pretty much my cilla4progress Dec 2016 #7
I'm with you. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #25
"The political establishment is not hearing their pain" SaschaHM Dec 2016 #9
Excellent post. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #42
Your rant baffles me. sfwriter Dec 2016 #52
Thank you, Sen. Bernie Sanders. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #10
He left out "oligarchs" ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #15
Carping about economic inequality from a private college in San Rafael is rich isn't it? ucrdem Dec 2016 #19
I can't even ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #21
Yep. ucrdem Dec 2016 #22
If he didn't speak about income inequality when he speaks at private colleges, you'd criticize him Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #26
Good ole book tour BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #40
Amen. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #34
He's downplaying racism and sexism all the time. He has this antipathy only the privileged possess bettyellen Dec 2016 #46
Bernie if you love our party Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #16
+ a bajillion!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #35
Go back to your back bench, Bernie. murielm99 Dec 2016 #18
Bernie is all about Bernie and his 3 homes n/t RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #29
The only ones whose life he'll make better Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #20
If Bernie is so worried about the Dem Party why isnt he in the Dem Party? RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #27
Yeah, why can't he be more like Joe Manchin!!! QC Dec 2016 #33
Wyden, Leahy, Warren, Merkley... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #48
Dear Bernie... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #28
And you contributed to that loss Bernie. Maven Dec 2016 #30
Sanders is almost right with that, but theres a slight correction. mythology Dec 2016 #31
Get yer ACME trademark slogans here, deals on bulk purchases! Step right this way! DFW Dec 2016 #32
I guess the 2.5 million vote difference doesn't exist then. nini Dec 2016 #36
So sick of his yammering... Dream Girl Dec 2016 #37
Bernie keeps fighting the good fight! azmom Dec 2016 #41
Yeah, if he fights against the Democratic Party for 4 more years, we could get Trump again in 2020! DanTex Dec 2016 #47
If the Democratic Party keeps fighting him, azmom Dec 2016 #49
Hate to break it to you, but he's not running in 2020. DanTex Dec 2016 #50
Sanders Could Care Less otohara Dec 2016 #53
Until you do something about unlinking social justice from racist white hatred... Shandris Dec 2016 #45
that is why Russ Feingold, Zypher Teachout, and EVERY swing state Democrat running for Senate still_one Dec 2016 #51

elleng

(132,272 posts)
1. Yes.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 03:56 PM
Dec 2016

'“There are a lot of people in our country who are hurting and they are hurting very, very badly,” Sanders said.” The political establishment is not hearing their pain; the financial and economic establishment could care less about their lives; and the media establishment is not dealing with the reality of their lives; and along comes Mr. Trump.”

But Sanders said voters who believed Trump when he told them he was going to make their lives better are going to be disappointed.

“So what we have to do,” Sanders said, “is create a strong grassroots movement where we bring people together to fight not only for social justice, not only for environmental justice, but for economic justice as well.'

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
2. Why does he keep implying Dems only fight for social justice?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:02 PM
Dec 2016

His constant need to minimize it is embarrassing. He really can't sell his schtick without shitting on good people, can he?

Response to bettyellen (Reply #2)

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
38. He did set the tone for this election cycle - less you forget
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:01 PM
Dec 2016

In fact at one point Hillary tried the claim she was more progressive then Bernie

Response to Paladin (Reply #4)

Response to Paladin (Reply #11)

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
13. Why For Not Embracing A Socialist Independent
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:46 PM
Dec 2016

who badmouthed the party for decades and threatened to primary our president? The current one that is.

I always felt bad for DWS for having to refer to Sanders as a "Democrat" during the primary.

As a former Dean delegate I and other Dean supporters didn't act like a babies when he lost nor did we call Kerry supporters shitty names for months.

Disgraceful are caucuses - and I am thrilled my blue state that Hillary won overwhelmingly in the GE also voted to rid this state of suppressing caucuses. 127,000 turnout in a state w/ over 1 million registered Democrats is disgraceful but Sanders had no problem with disenfranchising millions as long as he won did he?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. Did Kerry supporters blame Dean for losing?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

No because they have a right to run in a primary and there is no party registration in Vermont and he has backed traditional Democratic policies for decades, what is more important, party or policy?

I wish I could trash this forum but there is important recount news in here.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
43. You know Dean and Leahy are Democrats, right? It is Bernie's choice not to be a Democrat.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:01 PM
Dec 2016

What is so difficult to understand that he does not want to be a part of the Democratic party except when it benefits him?

CBHagman

(17,022 posts)
14. If you're going to make allegations like that, you're going to have to address three things.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:58 PM
Dec 2016

One, what do you say to the African-American voters who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton?

[url]http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/[/url]

Two, are you counting Bernie Sanders' wins as legitimate and not Hillary Clinton's, and if so, cite evidence for that dismissal of one set of data versus another.

Three, what disenfranchisement are you speaking of? Cite concrete examples, data.

pnwmom

(109,067 posts)
17. DWS wrote those emails at a time when it was mathematically impossible for Bernie
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:06 PM
Dec 2016

to win enough delegates to succeed -- late April and May 2016.

She was trying to figure out how to support Hillary in the face of Bernie's continuing refusal to face reality and concede.

We can all thank Bernie for not dropping out months earlier, instead of whipping up his supporters hopes till July at the convention.

kimmylavin

(2,284 posts)
24. Do you mean the actual Democrat?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:44 PM
Dec 2016

Not the guy who joined the party to run, then badmouthed it constantly?
I am at a loss as to why the Democratic National Committee was supposed to embrace an Independent as wholeheartedly as a Democrat, particularly when all he did was try to tear them down.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
9. "The political establishment is not hearing their pain"
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 04:15 PM
Dec 2016

It's statements like this that encapsulates why as a Dem, I can't get behind Sanders. Does he mean Planned Parenthood because that was part of "the establishment" according to him in the primaries? Does he mean President Obama and our congressional leaders like James Clyburn, who have fought hard for legislation to better the lives of others? I expect this type of broad generalization and dismissal of democratic policies from the Republican party, but as someone who has worked closely with the "political establishment" in his long career, he should know the nuances of an argument. The notion that for 8 years, Barack Obama hasn't fought for varying forms of economic and environmental justice is straight up bullshit. Is it Bernie's specific proposals? No and therefore, it's dismissed as rubbish.

LenaBaby61

(6,987 posts)
42. Excellent post.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:30 PM
Dec 2016

I very rarely say anything negative about Bernie because on many levels I still respect him and agree with much of what his message is, but I'm sick to DEATH of hearing him say that Dems were too elitist, and that Dems should have thrown their own loyal base of voters over the side just to kiss the asses OF and appeal TO the deplorables (tRump voters) just so they'd vote for Hillary/Dems. Those idiots obviously didn't see nor care to see that that tRump hates the regular working man/women because there's more than enough evidence to show that he LOVED stiffing them even for work DONE these many years, and there's also ample evidence to show that he's a racist POS, because he and his KKK loving Daddy was sued by the Federal Government under Nixon for not renting to African-Americans. And as for elitism, did his deplorables NOT even bother to see that their Mango Birther Mussolini lived in a golden tower/penthouse apartment with his birther, mail order bride and kid in Manhattan?

No, There was no WAY that those racist POS who voted for that racist, ignorant, orange, p***y-grabbing POS were going to hear ANYTHING Dems were saying to them because amongst other things, they were filled with too much hatred, rage and and racist bile, and many of them expressed that they were happy to be voting Kenyan, Marxist, Muslim, N-word Obummer out of the WH, along with his ape in heels wearing wife Michelle--yeah, throw out the whole family of monkeys--just so a racist, p***y-grabbing, sexual assaulting POS could move his nude, girl on girl picture taking birther wife and kid in (I hear that they won't be living in the White House--they'll be living in Manhattan in their golden tower most of the time). NOPE, they were either too dumb, evil, ignorant or all 3 and were bound and determined to vote for tRump. Falling hook, line, and sinker for his lies and racist diatribes. Yes, many of those POS who were STILL yelling "Lock her up" at his Hitler-inspired victory Rally in Cincinnati this past week, and those also STILL yelling "tRump that b***h" during his STOLEN post-election win WILL get what they deserve when they return to states like MI. and PA. which thanks to the influence of ALEC and the GOP will be right-to-work states (Just like WI is now) only to find that that YUUUUGE job market Mango promised them isn't THERE and is never coming BACK. He'll blame it on Obummer the N-word and they'll believe him. SMDH.

I HATE that those of us who have actual brains who knew the issues and who voted correctly will suffer right along with those deplorable POS because they helped vote that racist POS into the presidency. I could care LESS about what those others will GET in the end, because they weren't caring about US or whether we had jobs, insurance etc. Nope, to hell with them and the racist, dumb, POS horse they bet ON.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
52. Your rant baffles me.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:23 AM
Dec 2016

He is pretty clear about what he means, and why Democrats have been seen as the enemy. Declining Unions, NAFTA, Iraq war, Drone strikes, we've been complicit in all that. Just saying, "the Republicans were worse," doesn't make us better.

ismnotwasm

(42,085 posts)
15. He left out "oligarchs"
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

And then there's this little gem:

The event, held in Dominican University’s Angelico Hall in conjunction with Corte Madera’s Book Passage, was designed to promote Sanders’ new book, “Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In.” Sanders barely mentioned the book, however. As he did during his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sanders concentrated instead on the issue that has energized him throughout his political career: economic inequality. He said he doesn’t believe that all of the people who voted for Trump are racists or sexists or homophobes.

“I don’t believe that at all,” Sanders said. “I think a lot of people ended up holding their noses and voting for Trump because they are in pain.”


Oh but these people who are in "pain" tossed historically oppressed POC, Women's reproductive rights and LGBT's right under the fucking bus? Because they're in pain? Not buying what you're selling Bernie.

Now some of these threads in DU make more sense to me though--I was all like, "where the fuck did THAT come from"? --why it came from the man himself, Bernie Sanders

Some of us are already tracking increasing incidences of bigotry directly related to this election.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
19. Carping about economic inequality from a private college in San Rafael is rich isn't it?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

And Dems are out of touch with the working class.


ismnotwasm

(42,085 posts)
21. I can't even
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:18 PM
Dec 2016

I would love to say this is unbelievable but that particular barn door was open and the animals escaped long ago

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
22. Yep.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:24 PM
Dec 2016

Didn't take him long to get back on the pony he's been riding since 1990. Why mess with success eh?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
26. If he didn't speak about income inequality when he speaks at private colleges, you'd criticize him
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:54 PM
Dec 2016

...for changing his message.

BlueMTexpat

(15,391 posts)
34. Amen.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:42 PM
Dec 2016

I'm getting sick of all these posts vilifying Dems when we STILL overwhelmingly voted for Hillary by some 2.5 million or so over The Orange One.

Bernie's pontifications are not helping one bit, IMO, and I could say a lot more but I am certain that I would be censored by some for doing so.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
46. He's downplaying racism and sexism all the time. He has this antipathy only the privileged possess
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

He's wrong- trump won on racism- "the wall" and ejecting Mexicans and muslims and HRC won with voters who cared more about economics.


He downplays racism and sexism because it bolsters him.

murielm99

(30,883 posts)
18. Go back to your back bench, Bernie.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:09 PM
Dec 2016

You helped engineer this loss and we are tired of you. Since you reverted to your independent status so quickly, you have nothing useful to say about the Democratic Party. You are not a Democrat. You have spent a lifetime either using or criticizing my party. STFU.

 

RoccoR2

(90 posts)
27. If Bernie is so worried about the Dem Party why isnt he in the Dem Party?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:57 PM
Dec 2016

DNC should have shut him out from the get-go

QC

(26,371 posts)
33. Yeah, why can't he be more like Joe Manchin!!!
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:25 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Now there's a Democrat to dream about!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
48. Wyden, Leahy, Warren, Merkley...
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Dec 2016

But for some reason you think throwing out Manchin is some kind of drop the mic moment.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
30. And you contributed to that loss Bernie.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:10 PM
Dec 2016

Own up to that or don't expect to be taken seriously by Democrats going forward.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
31. Sanders is almost right with that, but theres a slight correction.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:15 PM
Dec 2016

"I look at this election not as a victory for Mr. Trump, who wins the election as the most unpopular candidate in perhaps the history of our country,” Sanders said. “But as a loss for the the world.”

DFW

(54,910 posts)
32. Get yer ACME trademark slogans here, deals on bulk purchases! Step right this way!
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

Establishment (special rate if repeated more than ten times in one speech/post)
Corporate/Corporatist
Oligarch
Bring people together

Negative, unjustified, months-long repeated slanted propaganda against the Democratic ticket did at least as much damage as "people's pain." Otherwise, people might have realized, in greater numbers than they apparently did, that Trump has FAR less interest in lessening anyone's pain than Hillary did.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
47. Yeah, if he fights against the Democratic Party for 4 more years, we could get Trump again in 2020!
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
Dec 2016

Go Bernie!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
50. Hate to break it to you, but he's not running in 2020.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:13 AM
Dec 2016

He can help the Dems if he wants to, or he can go scorched earth. I hope he makes the right choice.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
53. Sanders Could Care Less
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:20 AM
Dec 2016

He thinks there is no difference between the two parties. Tweedle Dee Tweedle Dum.

I don't like him and I certainly don't trust him. He's damaged the Democratic Party

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
45. Until you do something about unlinking social justice from racist white hatred...
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

...it's a lost cause.

No path forward without everyone, and by everyone I don't mean 'everyone plus this one group who should shut up'. If that's unagreeable, then I'm out.

NATURALLY Bernie carries a quality message when our other 'leaders' are running around blaming shadowy 'ists' for everything like literal children.

still_one

(92,762 posts)
51. that is why Russ Feingold, Zypher Teachout, and EVERY swing state Democrat running for Senate
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:15 AM
Dec 2016

lost against the ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT

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