BREAKING: Bernie Sanders Lost

[sheshe2]

Bernie Sanders lost the primary. A democratic election where both you and I voted. Guess what: I even voted for him. Not because I thought he would be a better president, but because I thought he did, in fact, have a better chance of winning the election. Would he have won? Who knows. There’s no way to say what may or may not have happened. He may have gotten more whites, but less minorities. You don’t have a crystal ball to declare he would have won. That’s nonsense.

But here’s a breaking story for you: he lost. In a landslide. Over 3.5 million votes, by a margin of 12%. That’s how the Democratic Party which you purport to support decides it’s nominees: democratic process. He failed to convince voters, and you failed to bring enough people over to his side.

And instead of gracefully conceding when it was apparent that he had no path to victory, he continued to weigh on Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the presidency like a rusty anchor. Some of his supporters continued to do the same, ambushing her, spreading RW conspiracy theories and memes. Bashing her character, with nonsense. Declaring she was not liberal enough when she was running on the most liberal platform in history. And then, not voting.




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Read More: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/03/1606816/-BREAKING-Bernie-Sanders-Lost

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Yeah, and the primaries are over; so what's the point?

Looking for a scapegoat for Hillary's loss, I'd guess.

[sheshe2]

2. Have you been reading postmortem and the Hillary threads???

Do so, then you will get my point.

[mcar]

7. Right?

All these Hillary bashing posts and now people are like, what are you posting this for???

[sheshe2]

20. Hey mcar!

[mcar]

21. Hey she!

[sheshe2]

27. You a good bud!

Love ya

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

119. Seems obvious.

[sfwriter]

175. Hillary lost.

There is going to be a lot of Hillary bashing, back seat campaigning and what ifs. It is just what it is.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. No, I haven't, and I see no reason to rehash all this.

What the Democratic party needs to do is carefully assess everything, including errors by the candidate, her campaign and the DNC, regardless of whose feathers might be ruffled. There were many factors contributing to this loss, not the least of which was their apparent failure to notice that Trump was making inroads in areas that were once Democratic strongholds. About the only person who noticed there was a problem and predicted the Trump win was Michael Moore, who was dismissed as a crackpot, both by us on DU and by the Dem PTBs.

Hillary had been the subject of all kinds of right-wing crap for years, and the crap was unfair and untrue, but she didn't address it and didn't defend herself. It reminded me of Kerry and the Swiftboat assholes - he and his campaign chose to ignore the falsehoods and hope they'd go away, instead of addressing them head-on - a terrible mistake, because it let the GOP demean his military service with no rebuttal. Why didn't Hillary talk about the fact that eight Benghazi hearings revealed no wrongdoing on her part, for example? I don't know how much effect this would have made, but her campaign spent most of its energy beating up on Trump, apparently not noticing that what we liberals regarded as faults were actually things the right-wingers liked. They liked the bragging and the insults and the threats because they thought it was proof he was "strong." He conned them into believing he would do something positive for them, while Hillary failed to come up with a message that would resonate with at least some potential Trump voters (some were obviously unreachable). Why did she ignore Wisconsin? She just barely won Minnesota, for pete's sake! These errors can't be blamed on Bernie.

The Democratic Party leaders have been living in a bubble. They need to take a very hard, objective look at why they keep losing elections that they should have won in a walk.

[George II]

34. "Democratic Party leaders have been living in a bubble"? Let's see now....

1992 DEMOCRAT elected
1996 DEMOCRAT elected
2000 Highly questionable result - DEMOCRAT had more votes
2004 bush reelected
2008 DEMOCRAT elected
2012 DEMOCRAT elected
2016 Highly questionable result - DEMOCRAT had more votes

So, in the last seven Presidential elections, Democrats got more votes in six of them, winning four and two questionable losses.

[NanceGreggs]

99. I understand where you're coming from ...

... but I have to respectfully disagree.

HRC was running a presidential campaign, not an apology tour. She focused on her ideas for the future of the country, not on the shit that's been thrown at her for the past thirty years.

Had she persisted in defending herself against those attacks, we'd be hearing about how she was more interested in defending her own past than in what the nation needed to move forward.

I've been reading the postmortem analyses here and elsewhere. Everyone is convinced that they know what she did wrong - and yet they are often completely contradictory, e.g. she was too aggressive - she wasn't aggressive enough. She was too focused on Trump's negatives - she didn't go after Trump's negatives hard enough, etc.

Given that HRC won more votes than Trump, it is apparent that she HAD a message, and it resonated with the majority of voters. Had she lost the popular vote, this would be a completely different conversation.

HRC lost because too many of her voters lived in the "wrong states", which diminished the power of their votes, while giving greater weight to the votes of those who happened to live elsewhere.

My personal take? Far too often, Democrats lose elections because they're honest. They don't tell coal miners that they're going to bring their jobs back - they tell them the truth, that the coal industry is a dying industry. They don't promise factory workers that they can "make" companies who have relocated to low-wage countries reopen their factories in the States, when they know damned well they can't. They don't tell voters not to worry about climate change because it's all a hoax - they remind voters of the "inconvenient truths" about what's happening, instead of telling them to relax and laugh it off. They don't tell voters that if all Muslims are kept out of the country, they'll never have to fear another terrorist attack on US soil.

Trump (as is the wont of Republican politicians) simply said the things that voters desperately want to hear. In the end, whether his statements were based on facts and reality was, for many, completely irrelevant.

Vote in haste, repent in leisure. And over the next four years, there will be a LOT of people repenting the fact that they voted based on the charm of a snake-oil salesman, instead of voting for the people who have told them the unvarnished truth.

[Ligyron]

148. Post of the Month!!

Fox, RW radio, Brietbart, Freeper sell a certain mindset an alternate reality they wish to believe and they listen/hear little outside out it. Trump picked up on it, ran for Pres. and to his amazement, and that of many others - he won.

We best get our act together for 2018.

[brer cat]

200. Oh yes!

[mcar]

233. "Democrats lose elections because they are honest."

So true and so sad.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. Errors by the candidate... what errors? Didn't you get the memo? Hillary ran a perfect campaign.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

157. haha... yes!

[EarlG]

208. For the record, the post above was deleted in error

Note to self: don't have Admin options open while browsing DU on an iPhone first thing in the morning.

Fortunately it's rare for a mistake like this to occur (in fact I can't recall another instance when I've done this) but I'm going to ask Elad to look into programming a safeguard to make sure it can't happen again.

I've written to Duckhunter to apologize for deleting the post; this public message is to let everyone else know that I did it by accident. Duckhunter will not be penalized for it.

EarlG (Admin)

[EarlG]

219. I appreciate your understanding

Coffee has been consumed

[RiverStone]

124. This circular firing sqad the Dems are in does nothing...

Tho for now, rage on.

I voted proudly for Bernie, and my Hillary vote was against the facist Trump.

I'm angry as hell too for different reasons.

But come Jan 20th, I hope we all put hurt feelings aside and unify.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

158. We must unify against that Orange Orangutan and ensure he fails in securing his racist agenda.

[BlueProgressive]

170. This is an insult to Orangutans!!

They have more class....

Just sayin'

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

212. You got me there... my apologies to orangutans!

[George II]

26. Check out the 2016 Postmortem Forum, there are scads of "points" there.

[sheshe2]

30. Thank you George II

[sellitman]

3. You like to cause trouble?

If not you sure have a funny way of showing it.

Enough already.

[sheshe2]

36. This is an open forum.

You seem to have an issue with discussions. Care to expand on that?

I sure hope you are not telling me I have no voice here.

[JudyM]

83. When someone decries it when people even question Hillary & *same day* posts truly incendiary,

bold faced accusations about Bernie... it might be helpful to connect the dots if you want the rhetoric to cool down around here.

If you can't recall, take a look at this one as an example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2639392
Seriously?

[krawhitham]

90. why yes it is, and that does not change the fact you seem to like causing trouble

[kcdoug1]

4. Hillary Clinton LOST

the national election.

[sheshe2]

11. Well she did not lose by 3.5 million.

Actually she one the popular vote be 2.5 million. See the difference?

[sheshe2]

46. Still he lost.

That unfortunately is a fact you fail to accept.

Lost bigly.

[sheshe2]

56. Lost by 3.5 million

Lost big time.

[kcdoug1]

42. The popular vote

IS NOT what puts one into the Whitehouse.

[Cha]

75. Yeah, we know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

159. All too well... why Bernie had the superior strategy and would have trounced tRump!

[mcar]

234. ...

[krawhitham]

92. But she did lose to the most unqualified presidential candidate in US history

That says a lot

[Cha]

196. You know what says a lot if you'd paid attention? Hillary had gop Voter Suppression,

Voter Purges, The FBI-Comey, the Russian Hacking, WikifuckingLeaks, the US M$M Spewing on her damn emails and PIMPING up drumpfuck.. against her.

Oh and the greens for stein who got themselves a climate change denier in the WH.. fucking geniuses.

And, she still got 65 millions Votes and 2.5 Million more than trump.

[stonecutter357]

202. But HE did lose to the most qualified presidential candidate in US history.

[kcdoug1]

231. You mean the won who lost ?

[TubbersUK]

5. Cripes

[progressoid]

38. I'll echo that.

[pangaia]

182. Triple.

Cripes cripes cripes

[zonkers]

6. Breaking: Does it kill you that he is the only candidate to come out of the election "not dirty"?

Bernie is the conscience of a generation.

[sheshe2]

10. Where are his tax returns that he promised?

Never vetted and the GOP had a whole book to throw at him had he won.

Please explain how Hillary came out dirty.

[WhiteTara]

22. As a white man, he can act pure

because he doesn't do that "disgusting" thing of sitting down to pee.

[sheshe2]

24. I almost spit my wine on my computer.

I guess he doesn't have to wipe from front to back either.

[guillaumeb]

39. Now I understand why she was not qualified.

Front to back? What type of qualified (xy chromosome) candidate does that?

[WhiteTara]

84. No indeed.

It's just a dangle.

[zonkers]

152. Bathroom humor can't distract from the fact she and Deb "dirtily" screwed him over good.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

160. Don't let the facts get in the way of bashing Bernie to fabricate fake excuses.

[LenaBaby61]

104. Bernie was never vetted and the GOP had a whole book to throw at him had he won.

Bernie was never really vetted by the MSM, and now it's emerging that IF he had won the Dem nomination, Bannon the Nazi was going to amongst other things:

Label and Call Bernie a pedophile 24/7 because he voted against the Amber Alert which outlaws some form of child pornography. The Nazi was also going to allegedly label him a rapist and also publish parts of that 1972 essay Bernie wrote on a daily basis where Bernie took a very strange view (IMHO) on women and their sexuality. You can just SEE the commercials and hear Mango Mussolini going around on $2 Billion dollars worth of FREE air time bashing and projecting onto Bernie that HE was a pedophile and rapist (The same man who said it was okay to call his daughter a "piece of ass" and who wanted to bang that same daughter if she wasn't his daughter). Would have been vicious, and the so-called Liberal media that doesn't exist would have eaten it up--following the sex angle--and Bernie would have been having to explain that vote and his essay away almost daily because there are many people who don't know a great deal about him. I believe it's all the media would have focused ON.

Most in the so-called Liberal Media that doesn't exist did say during the campaign that since tRump told so many lies that they couldn't be BOTHERED to correct most or even some of his lies.

[Larkspur]

193. Yet despite all the vetting HRC had, she still failed to win the White House

If she was so experienced, she should have been ready for any last minute dirty tricks by the GOP, but she was not.

She was a terrible campaigner in 2008 and she did not change in 2016.

[LenaBaby61]

199. Yet despite all the vetting HRC had, she still failed to win the White House.

Hillary could have been Presidents FDR, John Kennedy and Barack Obama rolled into one and she'd have still lost given the fact that there was so much hatred, racism, sexism, low-info voters voting for tRump and his racist rants/lies, hatred of a black Pres. for 8 years, voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement and what in MY estimation was election "shenanigans" pulled off by the Russians.

No, there was definitely more to Hillary losing than her being a "terrible" campaigner. She must not have been that terrible, because she got almost 3 million more popular votes than that racist POS tRump, for whatever it's worth.

I hear constantly that Bernie could have beaten tRump easily and that he had almost zero negative. Bernie was going to be savaged if he'd have been the Dem nominee by that fat, woman-abusing, Nazi Bannon who was not only going to continually throw out the I'm a Socialist/He's a commie/Castro-lover crap at him, the 25 year DC insider garbage, but I read that the centerpiece of his bile against Bernie was going to consist of crafting him into a pedophile (Per his no vote against Amber Alert) and a rapist (Per Bernie's own thought's about women and their sexuality per his 1972 essay) 24/7 along with tRump who loves projecting his Samsonite onto others, and we KNOW that he controlled the media to the tune of $2 Billion dollars worth of FREE air time, and if that wasn't bad enough, Bannon was going to subtly and not so subtly go after Bernie being Jewish (We know anti-Semitism is still very much alive and well). On top of that, the liberal media that doesn't exist said that it wasn't their job to correct all of tRump's lies/vulgarity which were spewed by him 70% of the time. Not a lot of people knew that much about Bernie, and I'm sure the low-info and racist voters would have eaten that mess up about Bernie. Pretty sure Bernie's negatives would have gone up, especially with the "Throw the crap against the wall and let's see what sticks" campaign of Bannon against him.

IMHO, NO Dem would have won the presidency in this election climate.

[Larkspur]

205. If the nation is so racist, Barack Obama would NEVER have been President of the United Stataes

Yet he did.

You can delude yourself with blaming others for Hillary's problems, bu Hillary's problems were always Hillary's problems. She was the worse type of candidate to run this year or any year.

[BumRushDaShow]

211. Nope because of, oddly enough

this wholesome Kansan family, carefully featured in certain parts of this country -

[mcar]

235. Mango Mussolini!

I am so stealing that!

[Nevernose]

105. A majority of swing state voters thought she was

And that's what matters in the end.

It sucks and is blatantly false, but that's the way, for many reasons, it played out.

[NWCorona]

117. With a post like this I find it hard to believe that you ever supported Bernie.

I'm not saying you didn't but still...

[RiverStone]

154. Let's focus on the facist-elect's missing tax returns!

Gawd I hope we unify by Jan 20!

[NWCorona]

115. I think that's the real issue for some here. They just can't get past the fact that

Bernie is more powerful now than when he started in the primaries.

[Madam45for2923]

8. Yes! The Democratic Party platform was so important !!!

The most important thing in the world! Weeh! Glad we have the platform! Yay! Let's give it to all the people are gonna suffer with the fascist Tr*mp!!

[SMC22307]

15. Nice, and welcome to DU! (n/t)

[sheshe2]

18. They gone.

[SMC22307]

187. *Is they*?

[R B Garr]

218. You're cheering for Name Removed?

lol

[sheshe2]

17. I am positive you corrected the people posting all the anti Hillary posts.

Please provide the links where you have slapped them on the wrist for continuing the primary. FYI, I don't own this site Skinner does. He set this site up to rehash the primary. I don't agree with that, yet it is here.

[SMC22307]

14. Thankfully, Bernie is still in the Senate fighting for us as part of the Democratic leadership.

Wonder what Hillary will end up doing. Maybe she'll go the Carter-esque route of getting involved with something like Habitat for Humanity. We've been told ad nauseam that Hillary cares deeply about POC. Perhaps voter suppression and racial inequality would be good causes for her to tackle.

[sheshe2]

59. Book tour.

[SMC22307]

63. Yeah. Can't really see her traveling to Africa...

to help eradicate Guinea worm disease, like Carter. But she'll do more than drink and play golf, like Dubya.

[R B Garr]

210. You sound as petty as Trump saying Hillary is home taking a nap.

Your condescending musings about her life sound like those from that Hillary hating site where they speculate on virtually everything she does even behind closed doors. How crazy is it to conjure up what Hillary does to that extent and, of course, it's always petty and unflattering. It would be like me speculating that Bernie is spending time mooching electricity from his neighbors in his free time since there were stories of how he stole electricity from his neighbors at one time. How petty, though. I can't imagine spending my time coming up with petty musings about what Bernie does in his free time.

[bettyellen]

230. Wow. What the hell do you think the Clinton Foundation has been doing all these years?

Their huge presence in Africa is well known.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

215. Perhaps the millions she has poured into her foundation

That does some excellent work throughout the world.

[sheshe2]

41. I thought he was on a book tour.

[lapucelle]

55. Yes! The firey progessive will be in the senate fighting for the $10 minimum wage

that he praised in his remarks on Trump.

He'll also be fighting for survival in 2018 when the Democrats run an actual Democrat for the senate seat he has been warming so skillfully for so long.

As for Hillary, you're absolutely right that she should work on problems of racial inequality. Kurt Eichenwald wrote a wonderful article that exposes the fact that a sitting US senator is engaged in environmental racism for profit. One of the senator's relatives actually draws a paycheck for a no show job that is part of the scheme. We need to get to the bottom of that.

[SMC22307]

106. Trump suggested $10; Bernie wants $15.

We'll see what he and the Democrats can negotiate, if it even comes to that.

Vermonters have sent Bernie to Washington for 25 years, not giving a rat's ass about the letter after his name. As far as Al Giordano, I'll quote a Kossack:

Superskepticalman  terrypinder
Jun 06 · 10:48:39 AM

The wheels on the Sanders bus go round and round. Good to know Al intends to throw himself under them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/6/1535004/-Non-Vermonter-Anti-Sanders-Activist-Al-Giordano-Plans-To-Beat-Bernie-For-His-Senate-Seat-in-2018

[lapucelle]

213. On his book tour, Sanders told the Christian Science Monitor that he would work with Republicans

if they moved forward on a $10 an hour minimum wage. Earlier in his remarks, the firey progressive actually used the word "ally" to describe his potential relationship with the Republican president-elect.

My goodness, that was fast.

“He (Trump) talked about raising the minimum wage to $10,” Sanders said. “That’s not high enough for me, but it’s better than $7.25 an hour, and we look forward to working with him to raise the minimum wage.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2016/1117/Sen.-Bernie-Sanders-It-s-time-for-Democratic-soul-searching

[SMC22307]

221. OMG, he doesn't have a magic wand!11!!!111

He's not a dictator!/!!!!1111

Where, oh where, have I heard that?

Per the link you so helpfully provided, Senator Sanders wants to:

1) "Fix" the badly broken Democratic Party. (How many more elections do we need to lose before people admit there's a problem? In 2017, Republicans fully controlling an all-time high of 32 states isn't enough, eh?)

2) Help those Americans left behind by a changing economy; help a middle class in decline; and address income and wealth inequality.

3) Give racist/sexist Bannon the heave-ho.

4) Reinstate Glass-Steagall.

5) Protect Social Security and Medicare.

6) Raise the minimum wage.

7) Address the issue of soaring prescription drug costs.

Sanders said “we’ll find out soon enough” if Trump’s promises were sincere.

“Our job is to hold him accountable,” Sanders said, “and we intend to do that.”

Sounds great to me. You have issues with it, why? Because Hillary lost?

[lapucelle]

227. Sorry darlin', but I ain't buying what either you or the fiery progressive are selling.

And anyone one who wants to "fix" the Democratic party should actually join it.

Of course I have issues with third party voters and clueless iconoclasts being the unwitting dupes of Republicans in ensuring a Trump victory and making the rest of us settle for crumbs when we could have had the Democratic platform.

You bet that we have issues with those who helped put Trump in the White House out of self-interested narcissism. What's amazing is that they think they have any credibility or claim to rightness. People who played for the other team need to learn to live with the blame and contempt of the 65,000,000 people who had counted on them to do the right thing for the common good.

And those are just a few of the reasons why ignore is my friend.

[SMC22307]

232. 2017. 32 states. All-time high for Republican control.

This goes much, much deeper than Hillary v. Bernie v. Trump. It isn't just one election; it's been building for decades. If you can't grasp that, get out of the way so the rest of us who do can attempt to rebuild the party. And if you see "narcissism" in the above list, you're too far gone to reason with.

By all means, use ignore. Enjoy the echo chamber.

*Hon.*

[NWCorona]

122. Bernie will leave on his own terms.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

181. The Clinton foundation does a lot of work helping

People of color with HIV AIDS

[HassleCat]

23. Aren't we supposed to refrain?

From fighting the primary all over again?

[ucrdem]

37. SOP: "discuss why we lost in 2016 and what we need to do in the future."

OP seems okay

[guillaumeb]

43. Some replies show that not all the bad feelings have been forgotten. eom

[sheshe2]

44. My dear friend ucrdem!!!!

Thanks!

[ucrdem]

47. heya sheshe!!

p.s. if Hill had done what any other pol would have done in the same situation we'd be hearing how she didn't do enough to reach out. She reached out and then some.

[sheshe2]

65. She reached out with both hands.

She reached out to all the people. She would have been President to all the people.

Hug~

[JHan]

25. K & R :D

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. Well then, he and Hillary have a lot in common, don't they?

[Va Lefty]

31. Yeah well that helps a lot

[putitinD]

32. America lost

[brer cat]

33. K&R

[LS_Editor]

35. Seriously, get over it.

Primaries are done.

[Cha]

40. Oh yes, he did, she. That's on him.. his message didn't resonate with

enough voters.

[sheshe2]

53. Thank you Cha!

I love you.

[Cha]

73. Love you back.

They've been trying to say BS would have won the GE.. but, he couldn't even get out of the Primary gate with his message.

Hillary did no Oppo research on him but he threw every ugly thing he could at her right along with the m$m and she still won.

dump would have thrown the book at BS.. and I've read it was devastating.

Hillary lost in part because of all this crap he started and drilled into his fans.. I know this from talking to them in real life. They couldn't get past the dirty buzz words like "establishment".. geniuses had to vote for stein to enable a climate change denier into the WH. brilliant.

The fbi, m$m, Russian hacking, wikileaks, voter suppression, voter purge, & the gd lies about her made sure she didn't get to be the President. She would have made a great one.

[sheshe2]

78. Yes to all you said.

One that pisses me off the most was "ESTABLISHMENT"!

He called Planned Parenthood the establishment. How effed up is that. Women are people that deserve healthcare as well. I guess he never cared about us all that much.

[LostOne4Ever]

45. In 1976 Ford defeated Reagan by 53%-46%. Ford lost to Carter.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Four years later, Carter lost to Reagan by 10%.

In fact, 25% of US presidents had failed primaries before winning the Presidency.

Just because Bernie lost to Clinton does NOT means he would have lost to Trump.[/font]

[elmac]

49. and the circular Me Me firing squad continues

guaranteeing 8 years of trump.

[progressoid]

50. Yawn.

[MelissaB]

52. I'll be glad when you guys get this out of your system.

[sheshe2]

62. Us....

Lol~ I saw all your posts the other night. Us?

[MelissaB]

79. I don't know what that means... "us"????

I've seen you're posts as well. Same, same.

[sheshe2]

80. Bwahahahahahahahhaha

[MelissaB]

85. Yep!

Same, same.

[sheshe2]

89. I read, read....over and over and over.

Yep.

It was a fun read.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

57. Remind me again of just how early Clinton conceded

that she couldn't win the nomination back in 2008?

Look it up if you don't remember. And trying to blame Bernie Sanders for Hillary's loss is nonsense.

SHE lost the election all by her little lonesome. And her staff, I suppose.

[George II]

155. You don't remember? Reminder: She conceded on June 7 in 2008, she didn't wait until....

...about a week before the Convention. It wasn't that long ago, I didn't need to look it up. Did YOU look it up?

And she was on the campaign trail speaking for Obama just days after the Convention, she didn't wait until after Labor Day. But then again, she didn't have other priorities like buying a new waterfront house on an island in Lake Champlain (which cost about twice his reported "net worth&quot .

Next?

[SidDithers]

58. DU rec...nt

Sid

[sheshe2]

60. Thank you Sid!

[chwaliszewski]

61. **sigh**

[Travis_0004]

64. Breaking. Hillary lost also. And it wasn't Bearnie's fault.

[sheshe2]

67. She won the popular vote by 2.5 mil

He lost to her by 3.5 mil.

[sheshe2]

74. I only want Democrats in our primaries.

I am amazed you would want them open to repubs.

[sheshe2]

165. Open primaries are open to all.

[Garrett78]

183. Clinton won a majority of the open primaries.

If not for caucuses, which are not accessible for a lot of folks, the Dem primary wouldn't have been even remotely close. Actually, it wasn't really close anyway.

As for "independents," the vast majority are party loyalists who simply like the label "independent."

[Cha]

87. Right.. he only threw evey ugly thing he could at her in the primaries.. demonizing

her with talking points that trump picked up on.

While she did no oppo research on him.. but you can bet trump would have with enabling from the m$m.

[Cha]

91. He only threw evey ugly thing he could at her in the primaries.. demonizing her

[Cha]

97. Yeah, I passed right over your lame attempt to deflect.

[NWCorona]

127. The biggest non answer ever!

[NWCorona]

142. Some so want to make it seem like Bernie threw the kitchen sink at her but he was so reserved.

[Cha]

135. yeah, he deflected poorly.

[RiverStone]

146. In a healthy democracy, competition makes us stronger

Did you want Hillary to simply be anointed?

I'm grateful the only true Progressive in Bernie participated. It's crazy to pin Hillary's loss on Bernie!

[tom_kelly]

66. This is becoming childish... n/t

[SunSeeker]

69. K & R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

72. Not in the polls.

[WheelWalker]

76. Kicked and recommended.

[DonCoquixote]

77. when he lost he supported her

something that seems to have been lost in the haze.

[sheshe2]

86. K

[NWCorona]

131. Yup! Probably because Bernie is able to fight on another day.

[Cha]

96. Unfortunately the demonizing was too drilled into too many of his fans' heads.. I saw

this in real life. They couldn't get past the ugly buzzwords like "establishment".. they had to vote for stein who enabled a climate change denier into the WH. a bunch of geniuses.

Of course he tried to walk back what he said.. if he hadn't he would have been a pariah in the Senate.

[krawhitham]

95. Lost because the fix was in, read some DNC emails

[Cha]

98. Lost because his message didn't resonate with the voters. this is all on him.

[sheshe2]

100. Boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

109. lol ... now they're trying in vain to blame it on the DNC.. big bad DNC

It wasn't the voters who wanted Hillary.. that couldn't be it... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. lol

BS the indie who changed to a dem so he could tear down our party on a national stage. his team stole Hillary's data and then he sued the DNC.. trying to change the damn subject.. yeah some dem.

[NWCorona]

134. You obviously didn't read the DNCleaks. Why did DWS step down again.

[sheshe2]

107. Link?

[Cha]

113. OH there's that gd word "establishment" again.. that got us trump in the WH.. I

hope they're smug.

Think we're going to get a link, she?

Try this link..

Bernie’s Press Secretary To Supporters: We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/07/26/bernies-press-secretary-supporters-lost-fair-square-zero-election-fraud/

[sheshe2]

125. Excellent Cha!

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

108. BS lost in a landslide.. Hillary had 3.5 Million more votes than he did.

the DNC had nothing to do with that.. The voters didn't want him.

[Cha]

111. No, this is all on BS.. he lost fair and square.. his message did not resonate with enough voters

[Cha]

116. Bernies Press Secretary To Supporters: We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/07/26/bernies-press-secretary-supporters-lost-fair-square-zero-election-fraud/

[Cha]

118. Bernies Press Secretary To Supporters: We Lost Fair & Square, ZERO Election Fraud

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/07/26/bernies-press-secretary-supporters-lost-fair-square-zero-election-fraud/

[sheshe2]

129. ...

[Cha]

132. Symone D. Sanders Tweet.. I'm gonna take her word for it over his disgruntled fans..

Symone D. Sanders
✔ ?@SymoneDSanders
But let me be clear - NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION! Team Sanders we did AMAZING WORK. But we lost. It's a hard reality for some.
11:36 AM - 25 Jul 2016
5,643 5,643 Retweets 7,428 7,428 likes

[TwilightZone]

138. Some, more than others.

The more things change....

[TwilightZone]

136. Clinton won more open primaries than Sanders did.

You might want to review your sources.

[Garrett78]

190. Nothing suppresses votes as much as a caucus does.

And Clinton won a majority of the open primaries.

[George II]

156. How did states limit and suppress the vote?

[George II]

172. That's not true. In a number of states Democrats and independents were able to vote. In fact....

...in some states even republicans were allowed to vote.

Remember, they were DEMOCRATIC primaries! It's incorrect that "many of those would have voted for Bernie".

And your gratuitous "of course you knew that but just do not accept it" is not only wrong but offensive! You have no idea of what I know or what I am willing to accept. Period.

[TwilightZone]

130. She won Democrats 64-35

She won because Democrats voted for her. A few leaked e-mails weren't responsible for a 30-point discrepancy. She won because she's who Democrats wanted 2:1 over Sanders.

The only thing that kept it even remotely competitive was open primaries.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

[Garrett78]

185. Clinton won a majority of the open primaries. And you really ought to read this:

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

[progressoid]

174. So, using your reasoning.

She lost the general election also "because her message didn't resonate with the voters. this is all on her."

[Cha]

178. No, she lost bc BS demonized her for a over a year and trump picked up

his talking points.

BS and the M$M threw every ugly thing they could at her and she never did any oppo research on him.. and she still won the primary in a Landslide.

And in the GE she got 65 Million Votes.. 2.5 Millon more than the lying asshole..

The FBI, Voter Suppression, Voter Purging, Russian Hacking, the M$M, wikifuckingleaks kept her from the electoral.. that shite didn't happen in the primary.

[progressoid]

184. BS demonized her?

He was a pussy cat compared to what Obama said in 08. Obama regularly hammered her on her Iraq war vote, NAFTA, even attacked Bill.



Did Bernie do anything like this:

[Hekate]

102. KnR

[portlander23]

151. Yep

[juxtaposed]

153. what a fracking shit storm a post like this can start. Nuts and Bolts about why

what happened. Occam's razor is all I got.

[hueymahl]

162. Good post. Thanks.

It is good to talk through why we lost. I just hope everyone can remember we are all on the same side.

[ALBliberal]

164. So helpful! Thanks! Way to bring us all together in this difficult time!!!!

[NJCher]

168. if this were submitted in a college freshman English class

it would fail. There's no back up, no reasoning, no information at all on how the writer arrived at the point, which actually isn't even "Bernie lost." The point seems to be "you annoy me when you say Bernie would have won. So stop it. Leave Hillary alone. Wah."

If this came across my desk, I would have given it a glance and marked a big "F" at the end because there's no point to it. It would have gotten less than a minute of my time because it's obvious there is no back up. Anyone can rant. It takes a little mastery with facts to make a point and support it.

I don't even see why anyone would discuss it. It's not worth the bandwidth required to bring it up on the screen.



Cher

[RandySF]

176. I'm so not in the mood to fight this out.

[Old Crow]

177. Garbage content like this...

... does nothing but drag DU down ito the mud. Tired of it. So, yeah, respond to this with your ROFL emoticon and see if I care. Moving on.

[pangaia]

179. There, there now. Just take an aspirin

You'll feel better in the morning.

[Cha]

180. And, let us remember, she.. that in 2008 Hillary gracioulsy conceded to Obama

and she had more votes than he did.

Hillary did it for the good of the Country.. she knew it wasn't about her.

[Cha]

188. Bullfeathers.. Hillary happens to care very much about our Country. That wasn't even

brought up then.

[SMC22307]

189. LOL

Not brought up. Sure, Cha.

[R B Garr]

220. Wow, you really do just make things up. This is the type of out-of-touch

uninformed commentary of the Hillary haters. If you read her book, you would see how that position came to be. You would have to call Hillary and Obama liars to not believe it. Your comment is really ignorant of the facts, but it's this type of willful misinformation that is the hallmark of the Hillary haters.

[SMC22307]

222. Say "Hillary haters" one more time.

It's gotten to the point on this board where it means nothing, right up there with "patriarchy."

Thinking Bernie would have been a better President doesn't mean I "hate" Hillary, but go with whatever narrative helps get you through the day.

[R B Garr]

223. When you have to resort to obvious fabrications to justify irrational and uninformed

"feelings" about her, then it's a waste of time to call it anything but what it is. Hating Hillary doesn't make your fabrications and distortions legitimate commentary. Once again you are projecting. It looks like you are the one who needs the narrative to get you through your day since your comment about the Secretary of State position is woefully uninformed.

[joshcryer]

226. Obama held all the cards.

And his campaign was hostile toward Clinton and disbelieved that she would use her nomination process at the convention wisely. It was only after she released her delegates that they breathed a sigh of relief.

There's no way Obama made that offer.

We'll know when his next book comes out.

I'll be gobsmacked if he made that offer. Simply blown away. He has more integrity than that.

He made the offer after Clinton bent over backward to help him get elected.

[Larkspur]

192. HRC strung out the 2008 primary long after it was mathematically improbable for her to win it

And towards the end of the primary, heading into California, the reason she gave for staying in the primary race until the bitter end was just in case Obama was assassinated, like RFK was. Keith Olbermann lambasted her for that attitude in one of his famous Special Comments.

Oh, and before that, I remember her mocking Obama's inspiring speeches and bragging about how one of her relatives taught her how to shoot a gun as a way to attract white rural voters in PA.

Yeah, we all saw how classy HRC was in 2008.

[Cha]

194. Hillary was classy in June 2008.. Much classier than BS' in July 2016

[Larkspur]

206. No she was not classy.

She finally had to face reality that she lost the 2008 primary and had to kiss up to Obama so she could get a top cabinet pick, Sec. of State.

[Cha]

207. Yes she was.

[Larkspur]

191. Hillary cannot fail; she can only be failed by others.

She may have won the GE if no one ever ran against her, including Donald Trump.

[Tarheel_Dem]

195. Exactly.

[lamp_shade]

197. Kos's Nephalim nailed it.... said what needed to be said. Thanks for posting this.

[chwaliszewski]

198. What percentage of Hillary's loss is Bernie's fault...

and what percentage is Hillary's?

[jfern]

201. And thanks to Bernie losing, we have President Donald J Trump as President.

3rd way decided they'd rather have Trump as President than have a progressive with any power.

[stonecutter357]

203. Democratic party Members only from now on.......thanks.

[harun]

204. Bernie folks, Bill Clinton and a lot of Progressives weighed in on how to win

this time around.

It's always been the economy stupid.

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/01/bill_clintons_primary_lesson_what_its_the_economy_stupid_means_in_2016/

Trump ran against the majority of Republicans and had 16 people to run against in the Primaries. Many of whom didn't even endorse him after the Primary. Cruz went to the Convention and slapped him in the face from the podium. Somehow he still managed.

What do you think happens if Bernie doesn't endorse at the convention?

[Adrahil]

224. If you think we could have won an appeal to "white working class"

You are not paying attention.

The world they want is GONE. It is not coming back. They voted for Trump because he LIED to them and told them it was. They want to believe him, so they did. He tells them he will bring back jobs form China.... he's knows it's a lie, but they believe him. He tells them he will re-open all the mines. Again, that won;t happen.

No reasonable or realistic argument we make can compete with the lie Trump tells and they want to believe. Do you want us to just engage in the same bullshit lies? And yeah, I think Bernie was peddling fantasies too.

And then there is the racism. Trump served up a healthy dose of that.....

[SMC22307]

225. Exactly. And many voters don't feel the economy is working for them.

Why are some surprised these voters gave the other major party a chance?

Poll and after poll show 1) the economy and 2) terrorism as Americans' top concerns. This isn't rocket science, yet, we're still losing... BIG. In 2017, Rs will control all branches of the federal government and fully control 32 states.

Yeah, there's a massive problem that many seem to be in denial about. Guess it's easier to blame Russians, Comey, e-mails, -isms, Susan Sarandon, Millennials, BernieBros, you name it...

[sfwriter]

209. I hope this made you feel better.

But it lowered the level of discourse by being needlessly disruptive. Why bait them like this other than to make waves?

[Gothmog]

214. Sanders lost by over 3 million votes

[lastone]

228. Your mad

Clinton lost, so am I. But to blame Sanders is pathetic and wrong, and maybe - just maybe if HRC supporters hadn't allienaited so many Sanders supporters the outcome would have been different. See this argument can cut both ways and continuing to try to lay blame while completely deflecting any responsibility by her arrogant campaign is foolish and irritating...

[Barack_America]

229. Yeah, this is productive.

Not.