LET'S LIMIT GUNS TO THREE BULLETS!

[JEFF9K]

Let's limit guns to a capacity of three bullets. That's enough for 99.99% of defensive purposes. Hunters could supplement their three-bullet limit with bows and arrows.

[bluerum]

1. What do you base the three 'bullets' is enough for self defense comment on?

It sounds a bit sketchy to me.

[JEFF9K]

5. brandishing

Brandishing the gun will halt 70% of attacks. A warning shot will stop another 25%. The other 5% will crumble to the ground after being shot.

[geckosfeet]

16. Brandishing is against the law. So is shooting randomly.

[JEFF9K]

22. brandishing 2

A brandishing permit may be required.

[geckosfeet]

27. You could consider open carry brandishing.

Even in states where open carry of loaded firearms is permitted (Read the Starbucks chronicles) it is against the law to draw the firearm and wave it about threateningly.

It is a stupendously bad idea.

[JEFF9K]

28. no jury

No jury will convict someone who pulls a gun in self-defense.

[geckosfeet]

29. Try it and post back here to tell how it works out.

Brandishing is against the law.

It can't be any clearer.

[JEFF9K]

31. no

It depends on your definition of "brandish."

[geckosfeet]

33. The one written into law. Not yours.

WA state law:

RCW 9.41.270 (1)

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

Virgina law:

18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance,whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

Michigan law:

750.234e Brandishing firearm in public; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234e.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not knowingly brandish a firearm in public.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A peace officer lawfully performing his or her duties as a peace officer.

(b) A person lawfully engaged in hunting.

(c) A person lawfully engaged in target practice.

(d) A person lawfully engaged in the sale, purchase, repair, or transfer of that firearm.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.

If You Brandish a Gun in Self-Defense in Kansas, You’d Best Shoot It
Brandishing Licensed Firearm Results in Arrest for Assault with Dangerous Weapon

You can find the rest for yourself.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

35. In Arizona...

it's called reckless endangerment....

[11 Bravo]

40. In Florida it's called "That n****r deserved it".

[JEFF9K]

36. g l

good luck getting a conviction if you're a prosecutor

[LP2K12]

2. So,

you're suggesting a magazine with a two bullet capacity and one chambered? Or, a three bullet magazine because then someone could chamber a round making it four.

[JEFF9K]

6. let's

Let's not quibble.

[LP2K12]

10. Not quibbling...

Genuine question. I'm a gun owner who is actually for limited ammo in magazines. However, I know people... family members included, who will keep one in the chamber. One bullet is one bullet. Especially if it's an actual limit.

[geckosfeet]

17. Well, then you know it's 10+1, or in this case, 3+1.

Three bullets is nonsense. You get in a situation, you want as much ammo as possible.

On edit - and you know that not all bullets are created equally. Three rounds from a .22 pistol are not as damaging as three rounds from a .45 or .22 rifle.

[JEFF9K]

32. one

one bullet is sufficient 97.8% of the time

[geckosfeet]

34. Great stat. I'd like to see the source.

This is some information about police firearm "incidents". Kind of comical really.

11 Years of Police Gunfire, in Painstaking Detail

¶In 77 percent of all shootings since 1998 when civilians were the targets, police officers were not fired upon, although in some of those cases, the suspects were acting violently: displaying a gun or pointing it at officers, firing at civilians, stabbing or beating someone or hitting officers with autos, the police said. No one fired at officers in two notable cases — the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo and the 2006 shooting of Sean Bell.

¶In such shootings, the total number of shots fired in each situation edged up to 4.7 in 2006. However, the figure is skewed by the 50 shots fired in the Bell case. Excluding that case, the average would be 3.6 shots.

If the police need to fire that many rounds, I am not sure what expect from those who are less proficient firearms.

This pdf has some interesting data as well
Officer-Involved Shootings: What We Didn't Know Has Hurt Us

[JEFF9K]

23. the point

The point is that a limited capacity is sufficient. Also, the gun can be reloaded.

[Hoyt]

3. That is really not a bad idea. I'd be OK with only allowing a six shooter for handguns, something

similar for rifles. But three would really cause some serious gun clutching.

And it's plenty for protection in 99% of unlikely to occur situations.

[AldoLeopold]

4. I was thinking about an ammunition solution in the car

on the way home. What is the shelf life of various ammunition rounds? Could we not simply prevent the sale of ammunition entirely if we moved to a full ban and repeal? Or at least ammo for these types of weapons?

Wouldn't it just be easier to cut off the ammunition supply? At the very least these people wouldn't be able to use gun ranges, etc., might get out of practice and not be as lethal. Just brainstorming.

[JEFF9K]

9. shelf life

Not sure about the shelf life. I'm thinking pretty long. I'm guessing that it wouldn't be that hard to make bullets in a home workshop if the sale of them was made illegal.

[AldoLeopold]

13. Researched a bit

as long as a hundred years. Apparently moisture may deactivate the gunpowder so if its carefully kept it may still be useable for up to a century without a misfire.

[Sancho]

7. Ok, ok...you can have 6 bullets IF...

your gun is a single action revolver!

[leanforward]

8. How about the other limit

Revolver, or a pump action, or lever action, or some of us trained on a bolt action.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. Coincidentally...

When I go deer hunting that is the number of rounds I put in my rifle, chambering one and leaving the other two in the magazine.

I've never needed three, but I like the third one in there just in case.

[kwolf68]

19. If you can't kill a deer with 3 shots

Then it's probably best to swing by Safeway and grab a pack of ground round.

Further, and this is where I diverge with hunters...if a deer has managed to escape THREE shots, then there may be something about him that is 'different' and it's best to stand down with your gun.

Of course, hunters don't think that way most often...which is why I no longer hunt.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

21. I agree...

If you need a 50-round magazine to hit what you're aiming at, might I suggest stamp collecting?

[JEFF9K]

24. stamp collecting

Excellent!

[Godot51]

12. Mayberry...

One was enough for Barney Fife...

[Tutonic]

14. I hope this does not sound morbid...but can you picture

Barney Fife going in after a school shooting? Don Knotts was a funny man. I think the solution might be in placing a heavy tax on bullets. That would stop a lot of folks.

[Mel Content]

18. a heavy tax on bullets would only create a huge black market

and the hardest-core gunnies can and do make their own ammo.

[Brother Buzz]

20. One was to many for Barney, even when it remained in his pocket

[Zoeisright]

15. Get rid of the fucking guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Section Five of the US Constitution awaits your attention

Better get busy!

[farminator3000]

25. i think 6 is ok

making gun companies invent new guns is a bit much. a six shooter is plenty. besides, guns are hardly ever used for defense, more people shoot themselves by mistake than someone else in self defense

[LiberalFighter]

30. Let's limit one gun for every 3 idiots

They can fight it out between them on when they get to use it.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

37. Where do you derive the number 3 from?

Did you plot a statistically significant sample of successful defensive gun uses by the number of rounds fired and then determine that 99.99% of the incidents involved 3 bullets or less?

Or did you pull the 3 bullet number out of your head-occupied ass?

[JEFF9K]

38. comment

That's the type of aggressively moronic comment I expect to see only at sites overrun by conservatives.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

39. So no comment on the source of your ideal magazine limit. Gotcha.

[JEFF9K]

42. cs

I didn't mention the word "magazine." Common sense combined with knowledge of psychology, logic, and mathematics led me to the number three.

[JoePhilly]

41. Make all guns PINK!!!

[Hekate]

43. Bring back flintlocks