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JSup

(740 posts)
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:58 PM Dec 2016

Dem blame game rages over Clinton loss

Dem blame game rages over Clinton loss
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/308600-dem-blame-game-rages-over-clinton-loss

There are already people doing this arguing crap for us so we don't need to do it here. I've mostly been ignoring threads bashing Hillary (I supported her in the primaries) and I'm pretty sure I haven't posted in any Bernie trashing threads either. We can't relitigate the primary forever.
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HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Sure we can!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:20 PM
Dec 2016

We can keep this going forever. We have achieved almost complete irrelevance and we're not about to give any ground. We will not rest until our party is nothing but a splinter faction.

Response to JSup (Original post)

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. I was, and still am an avid Bernie supporter,
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:37 PM
Dec 2016

however, after he lost, I knew I would support Hillary. At first, it was a little sad but as the campaign progressed, I was thrilled at how well she ran her campaign. She said and did all the right things, and I became a fan. So to those who want to still to criticize her, get over it. She ran a great campaign and I firmly believe that she did not lose, she was cheated out of her victory by whole scale vote sabotage by the republicans, probably with help from the Russians.

Continuing denigrating of her and her campaign, only helps her enemies, and makes her critics here complicit in what I consider to be an act of treason.

JSup

(740 posts)
6. Thank you...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:45 PM
Dec 2016

...that's very nicely said. Insulting either of them doesn't help anything except pride, I guess?

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
10. Hillary did not run the smartest campaign, but I do believe this election was stolen.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:23 PM
Dec 2016

I do believe she won Wisconsin and Michigan, and possibly Pennsylvania. I believe Donald Trump was doing what all nefarious and sneaking people do by hiding the truth in plain sight -- he said the election was rigged and he knew this to be true because his team was the one rigging it.

I don't want to denigrate Hillary. However, I do think it's important to know what went wrong (or the MULTIPLE things that went wrong) so that we fix them in order to win in subsequent elections.

Putting our heads in the sand and saying there was nothing Hillary could have done to change the outcome is simply not true.

Fielding a better candidate would have also helped our chances. It would not help to pick a more popular figure next time, since so much of this stupid country is obsessed with celebrity.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
11. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:49 PM
Dec 2016

If you believe that her election was stolen, then that should mean that you think she won. If, indeed, she did win, why on earth would you criticize her campaign. Are you suggesting that a more suitable candidate, at least in your eyes, would not have had their election stolen. That does not even make sense.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
14. Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Obama would not have had the election stolen.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:19 AM
Dec 2016

Until we gain control of Congress and the state legislative branches to force states to switch to verifiable voting systems, our best assurance of truly winning is to not have it be close. See Obama 2008 or 2012. We all know that Al Gore won in 2000, but the election should not have been that close. He won, but he didn't achieve becoming President. So, if you are prevented from taking the oath of office -- you kinda like LOST what really matters.

Donald Trump was a moron. And more people than should have voted for this moron over the more experienced, qualified candidate. That says something about our voting public, but it also says a lot about the candidate we fielded that people voted against her more than they voted for Trump.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
15. Your argument does not make sense.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:42 AM
Dec 2016

First, you do not have any rational explanation as to why Obama would not have let the election be stolen. Have you considered that Romney did not try as hard as Trump to steal it, and the Russians would not have helped him.

You ignore the fact that over two million more people voted for Hillary than for Trump, However, because of gerrymandering and possible hacking, he won the delegate count. You also ignore that the press practically crucified Hillary over every unfounded mistake the trump campaign made up about her while ignoring the fact that he is a certifiably insane sex fiend and a crook. Then you conveniently ignore how the leader of the FBI almost put the last nail in her coffin when he wrote to the repugs in congress that he was going to reopen her made up transgressions in using her email. He did so just days before the election so she had little time to rebuff him.

It is important to back up your argument with facts when trying to accuse her of being a poor choice to represent the democratic party, especially when she was the overwhelming favorite among all the candidates.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
8. Yes, thank you. It came down to 80k voters who drank the Trump Kool aid.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:03 PM
Dec 2016

Clinton was by far the more popular candidate and only an artifact from the 18th century gave the WH to Trump.

Enough with the circular firing squads. Pointing fingers helps very little.

2018 is fast approaching and Dems have a tough Senate map to defend. It's time to start looking forward rather than backwards.

msongs

(67,347 posts)
9. hillary won the vote by 2.5 mil, we gained senate and house seats. lots of positives if one looks &
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:15 PM
Dec 2016

claims the wins instead of wallowing in the defeats or even worse hiding out

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. You don't need to actually read the threads.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 06:05 PM
Dec 2016

Just look at the names of the respondents and the recs, and you can figure out what is being said.

jack69

(163 posts)
13. voter count
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

Voter % was pathetic, barely over 50%. That means that either candidate only got about 25% of the available vote. Something has to be done to educate the voters that this is important and you need to do your duties or these things happen, as we are witnessing.

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