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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:55 PM Dec 2016

For the millionth time, Clinton won among those for whom the economy is the top issue.

Clinton and Democrats already campaign on economics...to a far more substantial degree than Trump did. Trump spewed lies and vague gobbledygook. "We're looking at jobs--big league jobs." Um, okay.

Clinton campaigned on universal early childhood education, expansion of health insurance with a reduction in premiums, 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, generating "enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillary’s first term," a substantial increase to the federal minimum wage, equal pay for women, debt-free and more affordable college, free community college, "a $25 billion fund will support historically black colleges and universities, Hispanic-serving institutions, and other minority-serving institutions," the development of new green industries, massive infrastructure investment, etc.

Unfortunately, the media didn't give a shit. It's all about spectacle and outrageousness, while pushing false equivalencies in the name of some screwed up notion of fairness.

Still, though, Clinton won among the working class. Again, she won among the working class. If some (not all) white working class voters have much different expectations than the working class overall, ask yourself why that might be.

Yes, there may be some Trump voters who were honestly taken in by a portion of his economic message so much so that they could overlook everything else or were somehow unaware of everything else (the long history of sexual assault, the long history of overt bigotry, the conspiracy theories he promotes, the Russia connection, his celebration of the housing collapse because he could profit off it, his stiffing the contractors/blue collar workers he hired over the years, his refusal to release his tax returns, his fraudulent "University," his tax plan that helps the wealthiest and harms the working class, etc.). And there are those who have internalized oppression so bad, they can't think straight. There are Ayn Rand-worshipping Christians (never mind that Rand was anti-Christianity) who think Trump is a great Christian and that Clinton worships the devil. There are those who think Clinton was running a child sex ring out of pizza joints. There are those who think Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya.

Well, good fucking luck reaching those folks.

There are also some who were just blinded by their hatred for Clinton, much of that hatred rooted in sexism and misogyny and a belief in the many lies spread about her through the decades (as opposed to the valid leftist critique that caused some to not vote for her or Trump while continuing to support Obama, even though Clinton's politics are basically the same as Obama's).

And then there are a hell of a lot of people who voted based on racism, xenophobia and a twisted Christian supremacy. Trump mania took off precisely when he suggested most Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers.

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For the millionth time, Clinton won among those for whom the economy is the top issue. (Original Post) Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP
And Trump won on "immigration and terrorism" - he solidly won the bigots bettyellen Dec 2016 #1
Clinton won period. triron Dec 2016 #2
Link to the data? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #3
Clinton won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said the ECONOMY was most important 7.3 Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #6
Democrats are always more trusted on the economy, but did she win with a large enough margin? realmirage Dec 2016 #4
Not in the Rust Belt where she needed to NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #5
Wrong. It was bigotry. Let's be honest for once. duffyduff Dec 2016 #7
Trump won there because "I'LL BRING ALL YOUR JOBS BACK AND OPEN YOUR FACTORIES BACK UP" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #8
Liberal Redneck - Reaching Rural America Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #10
Have you also seen the one he did on Black Lives Matter? Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12
Yes it is pretty great! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #14
He's right. And I like that exasperated sigh at the end. spooky3 Dec 2016 #16
Yeah, the message is that Dems have to spew lies. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13
unfortunately Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #21
Yes, that's why he won them...because they think he cares and will try to help NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18
She did Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #20
Actually, Clinton won among rust belt voters who ranked the economy as their #1 concern. yardwork Dec 2016 #17
Yep mcar Dec 2016 #9
"Twitler." I love it. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #11
Clinton won. End of. JTFrog Dec 2016 #15
The only difference between 2012 and 2016 were the Democratic presidential candidates. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #19
Oh, you and your silly facts. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #22
 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
6. Clinton won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said the ECONOMY was most important 7.3
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:13 PM
Dec 2016
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


"Exit polls show Hillary Clinton winning a majority of the vote from people who told pollsters that the economy was the most important issue facing the country. What's more, in each state, a majority of voters said that was the case.

In fact, if we extend that out to every state for which we have exit polling, in 22 of those 27 states a majority of people said that the economy was the most important issue. And in 20 of those states, voters who said so preferred Hillary Clinton. In 17, in fact, a majority of those voters backed Clinton....

In nearly every state, Clinton did better (and Trump worse) with voters worried about the economy than with the overall pool of voters. (Notice how the blue slices in the smaller circles extend further than the blue slices in the larger ones.)

How can that be? How can she win a majority of the majority and still lose? Because she lost with other groups worse.

The exit poll questionnaire gave voters a choice between four options for the most important issue. Clinton was generally preferred by those who said foreign policy was the most important issue, too, but Trump was preferred by those who saw immigration or terrorism as most important. The key is the margins. On average, about 13 percent of people in the 27 states said foreign policy was most important and they preferred Clinton by an average of 30 points.

On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3.

But on terrorism, rated most important by a fifth of voters, on average, Trump led by an average of 21.8 points. On immigration (most important to an average of 12.2 percent of respondents)? A huge 42.1 percentage point lead for Trump."



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/02/in-nearly-every-swing-state-voters-preferred-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/?utm_term=.3428cb06d380


Who voted for Donald Trump? Mostly white men and women, voting data reveals


White men and white women. White men and women with degrees, and without. White men and women with more than $50,000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/who-voted-for-donald-trump-white-men-and-women-most-responsible-for-new-president-elect-voting-data-a7407996.html


White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107178998
 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
7. Wrong. It was bigotry. Let's be honest for once.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:18 PM
Dec 2016

Besides those "rust belt" states were questionable as to whether Trump actually "won" them.

 
8. Trump won there because "I'LL BRING ALL YOUR JOBS BACK AND OPEN YOUR FACTORIES BACK UP"
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:22 PM
Dec 2016

Sounds better than telling people that their industries are dead and they need to learn new skills (assisted by the gov).

Clinton should've just said "I'll make you immortal billionaires" and she would've clinched it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. Yeah, the message is that Dems have to spew lies.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:46 PM
Dec 2016

Of course, they'll have to be more appealing lies than the ones spewed by Trump and other Republicans. So much more appealing that they overshadow the advocacy for civil rights...or perhaps the Dems should do a 180 on that, too.

 
21. unfortunately
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:16 AM
Dec 2016

Unless you know how to delete Facebook from the internet. If people from the 60s time traveled her they'd think smartphones are brainwashing devices.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
18. Yes, that's why he won them...because they think he cares and will try to help
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:34 PM
Dec 2016

She didn't have to make things up, but she needed to have a good plan and talk about it.

 
20. She did
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:14 AM
Dec 2016

The MSM was too busy covering tweets and emails to replay her speeches. She had PowerPoint presentations on her website too. Just because you didn't hear her plan, doesn't mean she didn't have one.

This election has always been about white noise and propaganda blocking out intelligent thought. That's how somebody with no plan to save jobs, won against someone with a plan to create AND save jobs.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
17. Actually, Clinton won among rust belt voters who ranked the economy as their #1 concern.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:18 PM
Dec 2016

Trump won among rust belt voters for whom immigration was their top concern. In other words, Trump motivated the bigots.

J_William_Ryan

(1,736 posts)
19. The only difference between 2012 and 2016 were the Democratic presidential candidates.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:35 PM
Dec 2016

Obama would have won in a landslide sans the 22nd Amendment – he would have been another FDR.

A majority of the states rejected Clinton, not the Democratic Party, its message, or its position on the issues.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
22. Oh, you and your silly facts.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:37 AM
Dec 2016

We must follow the apologia narrative: Trump voters aren't racist or misogynistic, they're just hurting financially. And since Trump is so obviously concerned about the financial well-being of the little people--you know how he's done so much for them all his life--they reasonably saw him as their best hope.

Yeah, right.

Considering the facts, I say FUCK THAT BS.

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